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#61 of 286 Old 07-06-2004, 09:36 PM
 
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there's different kinds of mec... there's when the baby pooped a while ago and tinged the water greenish or yellowish, but the water is still essentially clear. that's not really much to get excited about.

then there's the pea-soup mec, which is pretty scary... the baby has recently evacuted its bowels.

if i saw the first type, i wouldn't worry. but when you can see particulate matter, or if the water itself is full of mec, then i'd look for assistance. it means the baby is compromised and needs some help.

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Mamajaza, there are links to UC sites on Laura Shanley's site (www.ucbirth.com) and you can probably find plenty others just by doing an internet search. Another good one, although it's subscription (and isn't purely about UC) is www.birthlove.com. Some links to the authors I mentioned are on my site below.
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I was using a plain old stethoscope lastnight to try to see if I could hear the baby's heartbeat. Not for any other reason but interest and curiosity. Dh tried to find it but couldn't--he did find the placenta though. He ended up going to bed. I waited til I had a BH and could tell where baby's head was and where his/her butt was. I placed the stethoscope in the area below his/her head and I heard it! It was so neat.

Just wanted to share!!
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well i've been having hugs every couple of minutes for the past couple of hours now......

my belly is kind of sore, but i'm not having any sort of cramping feeling, if that makes sense. it just feels like the muscles are getting tired.

i don't know if that's from the hugs or if that's just general muscle pain from the... uh... *other* activity i did earlier w/ my SO...
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maybe from both, Klothos? My ds was born hours after some, um, activity between dh and I. It's the best way to start things up. Happy birthing, whether today or a week from now~! You can do it!
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klothos-sending you gentle joyful birthing vibes if this is it!!!!!!

anyone heard from *mamajaza*? I wonder if she is having or has had her baby, as I don't think she posted yesterday? Thinking of you *mamajaza*!

As for me I am up at 2 am and unable to sleep. Been having lots of bh tonight, and baby is really active. Dh and I *got together* last night so I am hoping it will help ripen things up. It worked with both my girls. I am feeling so ready even though my *due date* is not until the 16th. This baby is so LOW. I have not driven my car for about five days and I got in last night to take our recycleing up to the road and I could really tell the difference in baby's position as in I could not sit right to drive. I really had to spread my legs far and my belly was still resting on my legs. Hoping I can get some sleep tonight. I was planning on going to LLL tomorrow to get out of the house but not sure if I want to drive 45 minutes to get there. Thinking maybe I should stick closer to home.

Oh, sandman where are you??????

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I'm still definately pregnant. I want my baby's diapers to get here before the baby, so I'm not too excited to get things going. I have a plan that once my diapers get here, and I haven't hads the baby yet, THEN I will try the "proglastin trick", you all KWIM

Good Luck Klothos!! Have fun giving birth unhindered.
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Happy birthing Klothos!!

I'm a little bummed today. I went to see my midwife friend and asked her to help me find the head, it was under my right arm. LOL So completely sideways (and small, she said...."Have you been eating well??" I haven't. It's so hot I've just not been hungry) I know this baby is still transverse. This is NOT in my plan.....I'm only 33 weeks, but all my others were head down by now. I wouldn't mind breech, but sideways babies don't come out. I would do the ironing board thing, but what if it's turned and I can't feel it? My friend said labor could drop it into position. I certainly hope so. When do I know labor just isn't working?? A lady in my knitting group had a transverse baby 60 years ago before they cut you open for such things. The doc actually put his hand inside and pulled the baby out!!! YIKES!

I hate pregnant woman hysteria.
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Oh, the baby could be in just about any position right about now. I wouldn't worry about it. It's likely that as it gets bigger and starts running out of room it'll turn into a more comfortable space. Are you absolutely sure of date of conception, that is, you're not thinking you're farther along than you actually are?
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no, I am so sure about my LMP and cycles. Bummer bummer bummer. I even started having morning sickness at the exact same "time" as my other pregnancies (this is the only reason I knew I was pregnant!)

I guess if this is such a smaller baby, it would be why s/he hasn't turned as soon, huh? The boys were all head down by 30 weeks. This MUST be my girl! Stubborn little thang! She'll learn real quick her momma is JUST as stubborn!
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Congratulations Hathor! Welcome sweet baby Gwyneth.

oshunmama~ My ds was transverse until a few hours before my water broke at 34 weeks. I remember telling my dh before we went to bed that the baby had turned and was head down and a few hours later at 2:33 am my water broke. Baby was born unassisted at 6:04 am into my arms.

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hi all you amazing strong & free women! i haven't posted too much on this thread, but have been following it voraciously. my dh and i plan to uc and just started ttc less than a week ago...but i think i may be a few days pg!! : i'm not going to take a preg. test. i remember when blueviolet was writing that she may be pg, but wasn't taking a test. it was fun to follow. (i love all the like-mindedness that pops up on this thread) i want be to tuned in and find out gradually. i think that besides being a gentle transition, it can only help me have a better pregnancy and birth--you know, paying attention inside, instead of to measurements and tests and such. still, the reality after planning to ttc for soo long, for it to be possible so fast is
so, we're not sure if we're pregnant, but i had a weird rush of energy into my pelvic region and the next day, i had a day of nausea, my mind is soo loose, spacey and forgetful(i'm virgo and always have my sh** together), crazy short crying spells out of nowhere--i can even laugh at myself while i'm crying, tender breasts that i swear are already growing (though dh can't tell ) have had two nights of bizarro dreams that make no sense, and besides just feeling like i *must* be living with little soul attached to me, i started last night to have a little brown (like old blood) when i wiped. i never bleed off my cycle, it's always been really regular, so it got me to thinking. even though i just did a search on mdc and read that the blood can be normal, i was driving a huge backhoe for a few hrs yesterday and that can be really bumpy and jerky, so i'm wondering if that's the culprit. i'm wondering if i should keep doing it, but we only have it rented for a couple more days, and it's such hard work, i can't really let my dh trash his body by doing it *all*...and i figure some women don't know for weeks or months, and do things they wouldn't do if they knew...i'm trying to find a rationale for getting the work done! what do you all think?
anyway, we won't know "for sure" for a couple weeks, but i wanted to chime in and let you all know what's up. i'll let you know when i can be added to the list for sure!
i have a couple friends that are midwives, so i should be able to get whatever documentation i need to *prove* that i was pregnant after the fact for birth cert.

as for telling anyone, before the birth, we only plan to tell a couple close friends that we know are in support of uc. i don't want to have arguments/discussions trying to convince anyone...at least at this point. my mom, well, i expect i'll tell her--she's always been supportive of my weird ways and knows i'm responsible when i need to be. my mil is a totally different can of worms (or snakes? ) altogether. my dh and i aren't even planning on telling his family we're pg for a few months at least, much less uc. he's close to his family, but they're so straight-laced and controlling. i won't let them control me and have no qualms about telling them where i'm at with some of their comments, but i try to bite my tongue for my dh's sake. watching me speak up for myself has triggered dh to try to advocate for himself and his life choices to his family, so i try to step back and let him have the chance, rather than speaking up for him. but his family is going to be the worst we have to deal with--at least it's a familiar struggle, that makes it alot easier! other than that, i don't know--it's all so new to even be faced with the choice of telling or not. i agree with you all that said you didn't want to tell anyone that would call cps or 911. afterwards, i may be more open, but then i think, "what about those that know now, when we get pregnant again?" any of you have thoughts on that?

oh, the other thing is i'm going to exaggerate the *due date*, or be vague. like, if we're pg now, i'll say--early summer. but again, if people find out we did that for this pg, will they bug us with the next one?

i've re-read through all the past uc support threads and have gotten some really great, wise ideas on how to explain it...or not explain it!

the way i feel, i must be either pg or have some huge systemic dis-ease , it just feels like so much is going on inside...:

already, i feel so blessed to have the benefit of all the wisdom you've all put into this thread. and i love the birth stories...ahhhh... can't wait for hathor's, klothos', mamajaza's and anyone else's beautiful gentle free births coming soon.

(i live outside of town, and have to come to town to use a computer, so i don't get to post too often--just fyi if my responses/comments are slow)

edited to fix: all my typo's and potentially hormone-induced unclear thoughts!

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My first unassisted birth was transverse. At the very end of her birth right before my urges to push she just flipped and went head down. My DH and I both saw the shape of my stomach change. It happened really, really fast! Made me catch my breath! She was born soon after. Weighed 10 lbs 8 oz
I used to feel the hiccups over in my right side where her head was. That is a good indicator of where baby's head is. With this one I feel them all right down low. Straight down. If she hadn't turned I would have had DH reach in and turn her. But, really I had full faith that she would come out the right way. I had communicated to her during the pregnancy that she could be in any position the entire time of pregnancy and birthing but needed to be head down to come out. She listened. Another cool thing is she was born on the day I asked her to. She is still very intuitive and sensitive.
I think your baby and body will work together to make things go ok. Just ask your baby. I find that the baby feels apart of my own consciousness while in utero and it is very easy to send them thoughts and get thoughts back from them.

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Happy birthing Klothos!!

I'm a little bummed today. I went to see my midwife friend and asked her to help me find the head, it was under my right arm. LOL So completely sideways (and small, she said...."Have you been eating well??" I haven't. It's so hot I've just not been hungry) I know this baby is still transverse. This is NOT in my plan.....I'm only 33 weeks, but all my others were head down by now. I wouldn't mind breech, but sideways babies don't come out. I would do the ironing board thing, but what if it's turned and I can't feel it? My friend said labor could drop it into position. I certainly hope so. When do I know labor just isn't working?? A lady in my knitting group had a transverse baby 60 years ago before they cut you open for such things. The doc actually put his hand inside and pulled the baby out!!! YIKES!

I hate pregnant woman hysteria.
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Klothos, I'm so excited for you. I can't wait to hear if that was it!! Hmmm that was last night and you haven't posted again .

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thanks for the birthy vibes.................. but it wasn't it. :: SIGH ::

i took my son downstairs to play in the sprinklers and as soon as i got downstairs they stopped. : then i went to bed early (and had a horrible sleep).

it's not that i'm tired of being pregnant, i'm just tired of feeling like, "THIS IS IT!" and then it being nothing. my cervix has been so ripe and squishy (and partly open) for almost a month, and the baby is soooo looooow. and my hips are killing me. every morning i wake up and feel like my pubic region is splitting apart.

OK OK enough complaining already!

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Even though my tiny boy will be 3mos this saturday, I can't quit following this thread!

Is it possible to be "addicted" to pregnancy/birthing?? let's see??? we've just celebrated our EIGHTH anniversay, so Thats 6 pgs (confirmed anyhow) and four babies/growing children. It's a blast, ladies. This last pregnancy was by far the BEST. the most fun, I enjoyed myself and my big roundness so much. It doen't even seem like I was pregnant (except for Elias being here and the deflated belly skin I just can't quit thinking about how GREAT it all is. it was so simple and fun. (yeah it hurt, I mean besides that) birth was fast and safe, and that's all I prayed for anyhow. It was a blast is all I can say. I almost wish I were still pg so we could do it all again! I do need a break from pregnancy though. (or should I say, dh does??)

I look around my little house and see my 6yo reading his sister (5) a book. our nearly 3yo building a trap (for his brother no doubt) and I've got little Elias puking down my shirt..I mean WHAT could be better??

I'm going back to school to get a few prerequisets I need to enter midwifery school. it'll be about 5years before I graduate so I guess i can go ahead and have 2 more babies in that amount of time

I just miss the feeling already you know? don't doubt UC. Anyone who tries to tell you differently is dead wrong and fearful, and probably trying to undermine you.

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pinosaltos~ to a fellow virgo! I hope your little bean is really in there growing and expanding. I had definate "boob growth" way before "they" say it should start. Sounds like you really are with child.

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Klothos, my hips are killing me and I'm only in the seventh month!! So you're not alone I'm just hoping that my body adjusts and gives me some peace for a while...

Carrie, I could have written your post! Despite the discomforts, I am loving pregnancy and this time in our lives. Also, we are celebrating our 8th anniversary this year and will also have four kids!

So I'm curious... how do reconcile your desire to be a midwife and your ideas about UC? I'm going to be giving a talk on UC to midwives (just finished my outline in fact) so I really appreciate hearing the perspective of those who are kind of straddling the fence.
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Gee, here I am at about 15 weeks and my hips hurt already. The thing is, I think my body is oversensitive to the ligament-stretching hormones - all kinds of tendons and ligaments stretch and get very loose, everything from my hips hurting to the muscle connections at my sternum being pulled at. Joints pop and sometimes start to dislocate with ordinary movement (I'm always careful to arrest motion, re-align my body, and continue). This is just a part of pregnancy for me and has resulted in a weird deformity of my abdominal muscles from previous pregnancies, but nothing more serious than that.

Anyway...

I also wish to be a midwife. I am going the medical route (RN to CNM) and was admitted once already, but we decided to have another child before I entered school. What it comes down to is that I believe midwives are there to support women who need support, and that the job of a midwife ends wherever the mother feels comfortable. I believe that a patient should be able to decide exactly how much care she feels she needs, and that it is the job of the midwife to realize that quality of care doesn't depend on how much you see a patient or how many checks and tests you provide, but on how confident and secure a mother is going into the birth process. If she is so confident and secure that she doesn't need you, you've still done your job.

(I realize these ideas are a bit disjointed - 2.5 yo on my lap trying to pick the "best" lemon peels out of my anti-nausea stash).

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I'd say that I am "straddling the fence" on the MW issue. I'd love to empower women in their births. There are a lot of women who really need the support.
But becoming a lay MW is all I would be interested in doing, and lay MW's are now illegal in B.C.
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Ooooh, I have another question for you ladies.

My DH will probably read just one book during my pregnancy. He is not a big reader. I need a book recommendation for someone who:

1) Is mainly worried that after the birth, I will be too tired to recognize a problem. He wants to know what problems there might be and what he should do about them. He knows that I know what to do about most of them, he's just worried that I'll be too loopy from the experience to tell him what he's supposed to do.

2) Is easily worried by laundry-lists of problems and solutions and things of that sort. If he hears "she may bleed up to x amount and still be fine" he'd be fine with that knowledge, if a book says that "after she bleeds x amount she may go into shock and this is potentially fatal" he is going to freak out.

3) Has great difficulty with med-speak. I couldn't even explain diabetes to him. It is like elementary biology never existed. He needs something that deals mainly with what is normal and what is not, and what to do when something isn't so normal. Some basic anatomy wouldn't hurt, either.

4) Philosphically agrees with the premise of UC and doesn't need to hear much more about the benefits.

So, anything fit the bill?

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Well... Emergency Childbirth by Gregory White (although a little outdated for some of the birthing advice) is great for reassuring husbands about what is normal postpartum and how to help the mother. Very straightforward, positive, and short. My husband loved it.
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Thanks everyone! I feel much better.....I know these things, I keep telling myself. But paranoia kicks in!

I want to enjoy these final weeks....and I know what my body can do. Breathe girl, breathe......
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I'd have to second the Emergency Childbirth vote. My dh loved it, thought it was very reassuring.

"how do reconcile your desire to be a midwife and your ideas about UC?" I guess I just don't.

I'm looking at a lay midwifery course of study.


Anyhow, I'm not straddling any fences here as I see it. I love birth and just want to be involved in it. I'll assist those that seek me out. I'll turn away those that seem to want an "ob at home", because I don't want to serve in that capacity.

make sense? Its past my bedtime...

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I'm going to give birth today! Shhhh...
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Mamajaza, I will be thinking of you all day today. Many gentle birthing vibes!

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Peaceful birth Vibes to you Mama!!
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