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Old 02-08-2002, 11:34 AM
 
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I've been reading all this with interest, and Greenlee, let me just say, I admire you very much.

I think it's an awesome idea to contact the media. Also to write to government people (senators and the like). Be sure in all cases to write down names of the people you deal with (clerks and supervisors) at the various offices who turn you down (just asking for their names will make them nervous). Remind all government people and the media that your son is a future taxpayer and voter, and this is ridiculous to deny him that "opportunity" lol.

Good luck!!!

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(I tried for a homebirth, ended up with c/s. I used to live in New Hope, PA before moving to Europe)
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Your children are lucky to have such a caring mommy, Greenlee, good luck!!!!!

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I understand your reticence to publicize your controversial decision. Don't do anything to jeopardize your baby. I don't think you should ever raise awareness if the cost is they may take your baby away. But do bug the mess out of them. Remember the squeaky wheel gets the oil! Just keep going up the chain of command until you get what you need.

I also thought I would say fine and just not do it. Your babe won't need it for a long time and maybe by then the laws might change.

So I say fly under the radar AND be a squeaky wheel... now that is a tough combination.

If you aren't successful, post your governors info here and we will all write in protest!


edited because I'm a dolt and didn't finish reading before I responded.
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I can understand your concern. (It's really easy for ME to say "go to the papers! fight the fight! when I'm sitting on this end of the internet line!) I've been trying to remember when I've had the need for a birth certificate. I did need one to enter school, and I think to get married. I can't think of anything else though.

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Hi all -

This is such an interesting thread (and what a drag for you, Greenlee!)

I worked as a licensed midwife in Washington state, and because I was licensed, I was REQUIRED to file a birth certificate. There were certain people who didn't want their child registered with the state, for their own reasons, but a birth certificate was a part of me being licensed.

Unfortunately, it *is* a real drag not to have a birth certificate if you ever want to get a passport or do anything else that requires proof of citizenship. And the State *does* have a vested interest in having a record of its citizens.

But what are you supposed to do???? I can't believe you are the only person/family who had their baby alone - most don't plan it that way, but that shouldn't matter in the slightest for you all! Was your husband present when your child was born? HE'S a witness, for goodness sake! and that is all a medical person is for the purposes of a birth certificate. In Washington state, the Informant, or person providing the information is the MOTHER and the person providing the certification is the WITNESS. Ridiculous that they say you can't get one. They probably just don't have the system set up to accept a non-credentialed witness.

Maybe you should say something like "Fine! I won't register my child with the state, and I will tell others what a pain it is, and they won't either." See how fast that gets attention!

Good luck to you and your sweet one.

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Dh had a great suggestion: Get a lawyer. (if you can afford one) I don't remember if anyone else suggested it. That way you could get your birth cert and protect yourself and your baby too.
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Are you actually in Camden? Maybe you could try going to a wealthy section of Camden county - like Haddonfield. Just a thought since someone else posted here about not having a problem getting a cert. in NJ in their county.
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If you haven't yet, I would definitely go to the media!

They would eat up a story like this!

Poor Poor Baby!

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Well, I haven't had a homebirth or anything, and I'm very interested in this discussion, but taxes and other official stuff aside, birth certificate is the only "proof" you have (on paper) of your kid--and your responsibility to him/her. I've had friends who have travelled to _Canada_ with 5 or 6 kids (all theirs) and be questioned about whose all those kids were. She took to taking certified copies of all their birth certificates, etc. every time they went. I also had another friend who was taking her toddler on a plane as a lap baby, and had a flight attendant tell her that her baby didn't look "under two." The flight attendant told her she should carry a certified copy of her birth certicate, so I always have since she said that.

Greenlee, I'm sorry that this is being so hard. Good for you for being persistent, but keep your family safe too. Will be thinking of you.
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Is there an update on this situation?
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So what happened? Did the birth certificate come through?
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Here's what I did step by step. I know you have covered a lot of this...but maybe this will help other people with the same problem. You may have done a lot of this, but I found backing up visits and phone calls with letters very helpful.

-called health dept, said I wanted to *register* a live birth at home, unattended. They gave me # of local vital statistics office. Ignore state, they just send copies of already registered births, as you know.
-talked to vital statistics gave her the details.
-heard nothing for a month
- requested legal copy of birth certificate from state office
- state vital statistics called us, they had no record of the birth being filed from the local office.
-called back local office and talked to supervisor of person I gave stats too
-faxed her a letter, too. Included names and numbers of people aware of the pregnancy. Mentioned we had photographs. (I would use anyone, if you had no prenatal care. postal carrier, pharmacist, particularly if they hold any sort of job that requires a license. Though several adult legal residents of the same county would be close enough, if they confirm that they are aware you were pregnant and delivered. If baby does not have a ped, I would find one...like a general family practice doc, in new jersey you can probably find a Dr of osteopathy or someone else chill. Make a well baby visit or two. This is CYA stuff in case they decide to investigate you. Just having a dr takes a lot of that risk away.)

-she said the maternal-child dept would need to send someone to interview the mother. asked of the name of the supervisor there.
-talked to her, found out name of nurse that would be coming.
-faxed maternal-child supervisor similar letter to give to nurse
-called nurse to set time.

-at the same time, I called my local elected official...I live in a town so I called my city council person, who happens to be a lawyer. Discussed it with him. Outline the basic issue...birth at home being legal, refusal to grant BC to a birth that actually occured illegal. He said he though being in touch with our local county council person would be helpful. He was willing to make that introduction. Knowing how the departments inter-relate helps. In our county, the head of the health Dept also heads up the county vital statistics stuff. They must issue bc for live births that occur. That is their legal obligation. I would have had our county council person contact the head of the health dept to emphasize their legal obligation and maybe had a lawyer send a letter for me. Legal action is probably not required. The health dept's lawyer would probably suggest they issue after getting an letter from your lawyer. Most lawyers will write letters for you at pretty minimal cost.)

-nurse came. We had all witnesses - me, my mom, my sis the one who gave birth, and her DH available. Baby was present. Though her DH was not there at the interview in the end. Wanted witesses in case they started giving her a hard time. She said she would file paperwork immediately. Did not need to show her photos or the frozen placenta, but if she had been more hostile, suspicious, or wanted to do a physical exam, I would have. There was a midwife but she was lay, and therefore illegal in our state. We never mentioned her.

-one month later, called state vital stats. still no record.

-called orginal supervisor of vital stats. left voicemail. Interview done, nurse said she would file, what was happening?
-no return call, but magically 3-4 weeks later, confirmation card of record of birth files shows up in the mail. I know those papers were sitting on the supervisor's desk and she forgot to send them until my voicemail.
-Request copies of BC officially with payment. BC come a few weeks later.

Process took about 4 months. But I could have done this faster if I had followed up with more phone calls/letters.

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One other thing I would do, maybe. The Social Security Adinistration has some special processes for issuing SSN without a birth certificate. Many people use got SSN's when it first started did not have BC. Visit their web site, search. Call the national office, and your local office. Call or go see them. They may be able to exert pressure on the state for you. If end people you talk to don't know, have them move you up the chain.

another thing I considered. Call a hospital in your county that delivers babies. And you closest one that delivers a LOT of babies. Ask who files the BC paperwork. Some have a dedicated registrar. Be very nice to her...explain your problem. Ask for advice. Ask for names. See if she can make phone calls for you. Maybe bring the baby by to say hello. See if she'll help you file your paperwork. If she can't she may still know what to do. Every hospital has seen unexpected out of hospital births, "I had no idea I was pregnant"!, etc. so she'd know what to do. Call your closest birth center, repeat the process. Call anyone that does home births either family pracitioner or CNM, ask them, etc.

All I can say is, I know there are people who refuse to get BC and SSN's on purpose. It is MUCH easier to do it now than for your child to do it later. People that refuse to do so are making that decisions for the child that will follow them into adulthood and make things they might want to do (military, professional careers, driver's license, marriage, travel outside the US) very difficult. So it's just something to think about when deciding to forgo any documentation at all. But there are definitely two sides to that argument, there are many people who feel very strongly about not doing so.
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Wow, what a situation! I know you are seeking a birth certificate but someone mentioned a SSN and I looked this up on SSA's site:

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/...YWdlPTE*&p_li=

You have to have two documents to verify age, identidy and citizenship status. Maybe you could get an affadavit from someone present as the birth to suffice as one of the documents? Are you a member of a church? Many churches issue some type of birth records. I would say make an appointment at your Social Security Office and see what you would need to do to get a card for your ds. Hopefully you could get a birth certificate in the end.
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