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#1 of 18 Old 01-22-2004, 04:14 PM - Thread Starter
 
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does anyone have any research on routine use of Vit K immediately after birth? I guess the most I know of it is that it's not absolutely necessary all the time. I have a lot of clients who are declining it, saying it's not needed, but is there anything that says it's harmful ? I haven't found anything about it other than that people are declining it more now. Thanks.

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Here is my informed choice form on it -

It is true that babies can die without it. I've also heard of babies that have had Vit K that, with severe liver issues, still died. Hemorrhagic Disease of the Newborn is serious - and people should know the true risks of the disease, as well as the signs of the disease, in making their choice.

http://www.midwifemama.com/newborn.html
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I don't have anything to back me up on hand, but I have read and have heard that intermuscular injection of Vit K is associated with a higher risk of some childhood cancers. I don't think that oral administration carries the same risks.

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yeah, there was one study back in the 70's that showed a link to Vit K and childhood leukemia. HOwever, they have tried to reproduce that study many times and have never found the link to be true.

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Is the oral vit k a new thing? We refused it for ds #2, but they did not offer us oral, just the shot.
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You can use the injectible orally, it's just not clear how well it is absorbed. I know that it's recommended to do the orally a few times in the first month after the birth, rather than the one time at birth for the injectible.
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I always thought if a baby needed something, he would be born with it. You know, like a foreskin! If he can't get the vitamin from his own body, or from mom, maybe he doesn't need it?

I hear the oral vit k tastes really bad. If I had to choose between a shot or a bad taste, I would take the shot, but I don't know what a baby would choose.

We will be declining, if the law allows.
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Greaseball, here the hospital had no problem at all with us refusing the vit k or the eye ointment. I had it on my birth plan, discussed it before hand with my OB and they didn't say a word when I told the staff we weren't getting it.
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Our doc won't do the oral vit K for a couple of reasons:

It is difficult for us to get (we are a small organization, and don't have a whole lot of buying leverage for certain meds).

It tastes terrible, so babies spit it out, so you are never certain how much the babe is getting.

Along with the terrible taste, then she worries about oral adversions leading to initial breastfeeding issues.

It takes longer for it to enter the system.

So, we don't provide oral vit K. We do the injectible, but it is always with parental permission, after the first nursing, and done while babe is in mama's arms.

The vit K used in the shot is very watery....it doesn't seem to bother the babes too much, unlike Hep B, which is thicker and hurts more .
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So from the link provided, it sounds like we can avoid it without too much worry if we supply our own diets with plenty of vit k in late pregnancy and just after birth?
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My ds had the oral in the hospital at birth. They didn't administer it until I'd left the delivery room and was back in my own bed (after ds had nursed 2 times already). The taste wasn't an issue as they used a serological pipette and put it as far back in his mouth as they could, I doubt he tasted it much. They gave him to me immediately after to nurse and he had no prob.

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like greasball, i firmly believe that babies are born with all they need to thrive.

we did our research last time... and knew the shot was not for us. why give a megadose of anything to a baby? breastmilk is all that baby needs!!!

babies sometimes die. its awful and tragic and what not, but thats no reason (IMO) to use unnatural preemptive measures when the grand scope of what harm they may cause is not understood. they thought DES was harmless, too, and could prevent miscarriage and more. Oh how wrong they were. In fact i think 'they' find they were wrong every time they do these things...

this article: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml

which may have already been posted, seems to say that the leukemia link has been reproduced, recently even. i dont doubt it, but i dont need that to make my choice. for us it is all about trusting our amazinh bodies in pregnancy, birth and beyond

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Tabitha, thanks for that link!
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I love this link about vitamin k:

http://www.gentlebirth.org/Midwife/vitktop.html
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Why would a newborn need its blood to super-clot anyways?
My babe didn't do a heck of a lot of bleeding in its first days of life...... :
I can see maybe if you are circ'ing and don't want the baby to bleed as much
But who figured that the average baby even needed this junk?

We chose instead to leave the cord intact until it had stopped transfering blood and gone cold, white and limp(about 1.5 hours)
I believe that this is the best thing that you can do for your newborns blood.

Seriously though, can someone tell me why a newborn might be bleeing profusely in the first place?
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Any sort of deep bruising or trauma during birth (like with forceps or vacuum) increases the risk of death due to a slower process of clotting in newborns.

But, yes, there is probably a reason why babies are born without it. However, I doubt that nature intended on such procedures when she designed us.

In my informed consent above, it details what predisposes some babies to be at higher risk for dying from hemorrhagic disease of the newborn.
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vitamin K shot INFo


Here is a good website on the vitamin K shot one thing to point out is this:

Roche’s vitamin K product KONAKION contains ingredients such as phenol
(carbolic acid—a poisonous substance distilled from coal tar), propylene
glycol (derived from petroleum and used as an antifreeze and in hydraulic
brake fluid) and acetic acid (an astringent antimicrobial agent that may
drastically reduce the amount of natural vitamin K that would have
otherwise been produced in the digestive tract).

here is another site:
the natural child project
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acetic acid = vinegar

Not that I would want it injected into my child, but that's actually what vinegar *is*.

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