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My midwife asked me if I wanted to give my newborn the vitamin K shot and the eye ointment after his birth. I'm questioning the vitamin K, and considering supplementing myself instead. Does anyone have experience with this?

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I am DEFINITELY not doing the vitamin k shot. However, my midwife also offers synthetic vitamin K given orally and a botanical blend of Vitamin K also given orally.

It is also a definite no on the eye ointment. EW.

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We decided to do vitamin K only if baby has a traumatic birth. The midwives recommended it if we decided to circumcise as well (we don't know the sex), but we have decided against that so it doesn't apply to us. I am considering supplementing myself with vitamin K as well.

We are submitting to the eye ointment but they won't put it on until two hours after the baby is born, and we can just wipe it right off.

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Our midwives bring the oral Vitamin K but we will only use it if the birth is traumatic. As regards the eye cream they have it but would only use it if I had some kind of infection at the time of the birth.

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I voted no on the eye ointment since I don't have any infections. I voted to only do vit k shot if baby is bruised after birth.
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We will definitely not be doing the eye ointment. In fact it kind of grosses me out to see other people's birth pictures from the hospital and the baby's eyes are all greasy and disgusting looking. Poor babes. I'm not allowing Vit K, either, unless it is a traumatic birth, the baby appears bruised and possibly for a low APGAR. Vit K defiencies are very rare (like 1 in 10,000 babies) and to me, that isn't enough of a chance to warrant stabbing my brand new baby with a needle.

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Like others, not planning on vit K. I have the oral in case the birth is traumatic, but I don't trust all the other crap ingredients in the shot especially. IMO, God made babies with low vit K for a reason.

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We won't be doing either. I'd only go for the Vit K if it were a traumatic birth or we were going to circ, which we aren't. If I were going to give it, I'd do oral.

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I've declined the Vit K, but will reconsider the oral Vit K if the birth is traumatic. The eye ointment unfortunately is required by law in Ontario.
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No to either of them.. unless I get transferred to the hossy, where it is required.

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No eye ointment here... totally useless for me since I know I don't have chlamydia or gonorrhea.

We will be doing Vitamin K orally, as I will probably have a precipitous birth which puts babies at a bit of a higher risk of bleeding. Mind you, here in Ontario the only ingredients are Vitamin K and water. If it had half the crap in it that other countries have, I wouldn't ever give it to my babies, orally or IM! I will admit, I have personally seen a baby with hemorrhagic disease of the newborn and the tragic death is not something I could ever risk my baby having when the intervention that makes it virtually non-existent is fairly benign (to me). So I am a bit biased.

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We did the oral Vitamin K. It was administered by us or our midwife on the day of birth, at one week, and at 2 weeks. Just one drop on the tongue, and it has no taste.

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We haven't made a final decision but we think that we are going to do the vitamin K shot. We do not have the option of oral Vitamin K.

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Not doing either of them... unless there are signs of an infection, then maybe the eye ointment.

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I wasn't going to do the Vitamin K shot but my kid had some trauma after birth so I decided to. I voted against the eye ointment, however.

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I didn't even realize they had an oral vitamin K. I'm surprised my midwives didn't have that available at my dd's birth. Is it more common to have the shot than the oral vitamin K? Is there a way to get it orally, even if the midwives typically do the shot?
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I didn't even realize they had an oral vitamin K. I'm surprised my midwives didn't have that available at my dd's birth. Is it more common to have the shot than the oral vitamin K? Is there a way to get it orally, even if the midwives typically do the shot?
It's much more common to have the shot, and the reason is that oral vitamin K is very effective at preventing early hemorrhagic disease of the newborn (within the first week) but less so at preventing late HDNB, and the IM vitamin K effectively prevents both. Early HDNB is more common and less "predictable" so many women feel comfortable just doing the oral. Here in Ontario, we just use the IM formulation orally, within the first 24 hours, at 2-4 weeks and at 6-8 weeks. I don't see why your midwife wouldn't be able to do this too?

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I've declined the Vit K, but will reconsider the oral Vit K if the birth is traumatic. The eye ointment unfortunately is required by law in Ontario.
Required by law,yes. You don't have to allow them access to administer it.

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No to either of them.. unless I get transferred to the hossy, where it is required.
The hospital can't force anything. You can still refuse (I did).

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The hospital can't force anything. You can still refuse (I did).
In some states like New York, you CANNOT refuse, no matter what. Religious exemptions don't matter for VitaK and eye drops. They will (and do) call CPS on you right then and there if you try and refuse, and CPS takes your babe away for several days, administers the shot and drops, and then gives baby back to you eventually.

It sucks. That's one of my motivations for a homebirth.

I personally am refusing the VitaK and eye drops (with my homebirth midwife). Unless you have an STD the eye drops seems really unnecessary. I've heard mixed things about Vitamin K, but I trust in nature that all will be well.

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In some states like New York, you CANNOT refuse, no matter what. Religious exemptions don't matter for VitaK and eye drops. They will (and do) call CPS on you right then and there if you try and refuse, and CPS takes your babe away for several days, administers the shot and drops, and then gives baby back to you eventually.

It sucks. That's one of my motivations for a homebirth.
I guess it's a good thing that CPS is so bored with real abuse cases that they can waste their time with this?

I find that NY is the only state that forces this. Ya'll need to be talking with your state representatives and telling them they need to be spending their resources fighting actual abuse and neglect.

That's abuse, in and of itself, IMO, forcing a treatment that's not wanted nor necessary. No way would I step foot in a hospital then. I wonder if they "let" healthy moms and babies go home right after birth or if they hold them hostage against their will?

That's ridiculous.

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Absolutely no to both. If you are planning on breastfeeding, eating a lot of raw greens (spinach, romaine, broccoli, etc.) will take care of any Vit K deficiencies naturally except in a tiny percentage of special cases.

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I guess it's a good thing that CPS is so bored with real abuse cases that they can waste their time with this?

I find that NY is the only state that forces this. Ya'll need to be talking with your state representatives and telling them they need to be spending their resources fighting actual abuse and neglect.

That's abuse, in and of itself, IMO, forcing a treatment that's not wanted nor necessary. No way would I step foot in a hospital then. I wonder if they "let" healthy moms and babies go home right after birth or if they hold them hostage against their will?

That's ridiculous.
Agreed. It's so sad. I'm not very good at organizing/finding the right people to contact, but I wish something could be done.

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Absolutely no to both. If you are planning on breastfeeding, eating a lot of raw greens (spinach, romaine, broccoli, etc.) will take care of any Vit K deficiencies naturally except in a tiny percentage of special cases.
This isn't true and is a very common misconception. In fact, breastmilk for the first week or two has very, very low fat content and Vitamin K is a fat-soluble vitamin. Almost all cases of Vitamin K deficiency bleeding happen in exclusively breastfed babies. Of course, it's still exceedingly rare, so statistics are difficult to gather/interpret.

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I do the vitamin K but no eye goop.

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Still undecided. The late hemorrhagic diseases can occur 6 months after birth, and the research I have read shows that only 40% of cases have symptoms. However, the risk IS extremely low. I def won’t be doing the injection, because of its link to childhood leukemia (which actually is about the same risk as the acquiring the late hemorrhagic disease without the vit K injection).

If anything I think I’ll supplement the baby with the oral form of vit K (It is NOT the vaccine given orally). However, because the oral form is so cheap there really haven’t been many studies about if it even works. So....I don’t know. I’ll prob won’t do anything. lol.
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We did have the Vit K - what worried me was the later onset problem that would be less easy to identify as we'd be less hyper-vigilant than in the first couple of weeks and even though super rare, seemed too super-scary to take the risk. I'm not totally sure, but I remember reading somewhere that high Vit K levels in mom pre-birth and during breastfeeding, though good for you, doesn't actually impact baby's Vit K levels meaningfully. Still taking Alfalfa or other Vit K source is good for your post-partum recovery and bleeding, just won't help baby. We didn't give eye ointment as no STI, no need.
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I did it last time and will again. The leukemia link was debunked, and it seems so little risk for a potentially large benefit.

No eye goop last time because it was a CS, we'll see this time.

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We did vitamin K last time and probably will again. I would opt out of the eye goop, but alas I too am in Ontario, so we can't. I really don't like that stuff though!

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