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|Empowerment and informed choice in any situation is a positive thing. If women are not told anything but one side of the story, how are they to make informed choices?|
|Originally posted by LiamnEmma
Rightly? Maybe. So I say, shine the light back on yourself too and ask yourself why it bothers you if someone rationalizes her cesarean...if you feel comfortable with your beliefs (and I really do agree with them, I promise), why does it bother you that some women haven't worked their way through the whole process yet? Because I see it as that. Some women who have had cesareans--necessary, unnecessary, whatever--haven't processed it yet, and to me, that speaks to a larger issue all around, and yeah I agree that it's about empowerment.
|And then I wondered why am I so bothered when I hear stories from women who think they would've died had they not had a c/s for x, y, z reason? Why do I care?|
|Originally posted by anothermama
For one, we are a nation of individuals. Our "American Spirit" is all about being yourself, being unique, being different....and people don't like to admit that they are part of an "average" or part of the "norm".
|Originally posted by pamamidwife
Yes, I agree about respect. It's important.
And, to figure out what your intention is behind posting anything. Are you just reacting or is there something that you feel is important and pertinent to the discussion? These are rules that I'm trying to abide by - I don't always succeed, however.
It sounds like women get most upset when their cesarean births - or heck, any birth! - are picked apart by others when they have not asked for feedback on it. (I'm guilty of this, too!)
Am I right when assuming that this is the biggest piece that many women have with "birth activists"?
|In the past year I have seen too many women attempt natural vaginal deliveries at home or in hospitals risking their babies and themselves to prove that they can have a vaginal delivery. They discount real risks and take faulty advice from people on the internet or because they read the Silent Knife and think that the medical establishment is wanting to gut them like a fish and steal their young from the womb.|
|Originally posted by pamamidwife
And, in light of empowerment, how can we birth activists get along without all these disclaimers for people who have had a different experience? Where does the anger from these people come from? Do they not feel heard in general? Surely we live in a culture that is more supportive medicalized and surgical birth than, say, home birth. Is it just on these boards that they feel alienated?
Where is the balance? Why is their so much anger and opposition?
|Originally posted by blueviolet
OnTheFence wrote: "I dont think much of a woman who puts her life and child at risk to try to prove something to the rest of the world, medical establishment or even herself. I have read time and time again about fear based medicine, well there is a flip side to that as well and its here running rampant through these forums and in other circles."
What exactly is your point? Are you trying to give the birth "extremists" a taste of their own medicine? Because this is a pretty harsh, judgemental, hurtful (and IMO off-the-wall) statement -- wasn't the making of such statements exactly what you were railing against in the first place?
(edited for clarity)
|I think for me it is at base the horror that I feel thinking about myself being in that situation -- doing my best to be informed, but missing some things that end up causing me a lot of pain and trauma.|
|If the consequences of an action are known, the risks involved weighed, why can't a woman elect to cbirth, or birth vaginally or any other of the choices? If we're talking about empowerment, and making people aware, then we have to respect that sometimes their decisions will not be ours.|
|I just have a little glitch with the "consequences of an action are known, the risks involved weighed" because I think that information is hard to come by.|