Did you figure out what your Bishop Score was? If it was favorable you might want (I know I mentioned it before) castor oil. It's cheap - if you mix it in something frozen in the blender you really can't taste it. If you take 1 oz- at best, you'll go into labor - at worst - you'll go to the bathroom (but at this late stage in a pg - thats not such a bad thing! ) I actually took 1 oz on 2 seperate occasions about 5 days apart. 1st time labor started and stopped after 3 hours - next day midwife checked me and I was at 5cm. The next time, I again took an oz and she was born later that same day!
I'm just thinking if we can get you into labor before they can get their hands on you - there won't be any "decision" to be made!
(I don't know...what do you think mamas??)
I've got two friends of similar build - they're both short and petite, and they both gave birth to 11 pound babies. One was in labour for 24 hours and ended up having a rotten delivery ... the other had a 30 minute labour and the baby slipped out easily. They can't predict your labour/birth based on your body.
You will not be pregnant forever, keep us posted. Hope everything goes well and goes your way...
Take care of yourselves, you deserve it! You are going to make a fine family.
G-d Bless :
* Chance of a baby dying where shoulder dystocia was the probable cause: 1
(based on 1994/95 UK figures.)
I'm doing my research atm because shoulder dystocia is one of my midwives pet hates and worries, and I had a 14lber (born at home. I'm 5 ft 3. That said, a 37 week ultrasound didn't pick up his size, and neither did any of the midwives or consultants who saw me.)
I had a very positive castor oil induction with said large baby, but it sounds like you're in fight or flight mode which will slow down your birthing until you can finish nesting. Those jerks are standing in your way.
Good luck- can you find a medical lawyer who would give you a phone consultation?
I was just reading last night (in this book, which is an amazing resource, but I don't think it's published in the US : ) that there's no evidence that *too much* amniotic fluid is a problem. No little runs the risk of the cord being compressed too much during labor, but too much is a fiction of a problem.
Stay strong, mama! Don't let them bully you into anything!
Sabra: Mama to Bobbie (3/02), Linda (1/04), Esther (10/05), Marie (11/10), & Douglas (11/12)
Tell the Dr. you meet with that you're thinking of wanting a large family (4 or 5 kids), and you're worried about the struggle to VBAC and the risk of multiple c/s.
I went 41w6days with my first, and we had AFI checks every 2 days at the end. I was shocked at how variable the fluid level estimates are. In my case, my fluid measured "low", so my supportive midwife had a Dr. re-measure the fluid, and it came out "normal." If she had been pushing induction, she would have taken the first measurement and said "we need to induce right now, low fluid is dangerous."
If you end up getting pushed into induction, there are things you can do to limit risk:
Do *not* allow your water to be broken
Find out your bishop score, and start with cervidil if necessary to ripen your cervix. Do not allow cytotec ever.
Ask if you can have a "physiological" pitocin protocol (lower doses), and try lowering the dose when ctx are well-established. You can't just "turn it off', but you can wean yourself to a lower dose. If the ctx fizzle out, you can always turn it back on.
Secondly, if the baby is not ready to be born, an induction may be wildly unsuccessful. That is what happened w/ dd#1 for me. They used a gel to ripen my cervix and then put my on pitocin. After nearly 3 days of the max dosage of pitocin and them manually forcing my cervix open by running a catheter up to it and filling it with saline, she was finally born w/ a ton of interventions that I didn't want (epidural, episiotomy) and she and I both had problems as a result (huge blood loss, meconium aspiration). She just wasn't ready to come. If we had waited longer, I strongly suspect that labor would have been a much easier endeavor.
You're only just past your EDD. I'd be inclined to wait at least a week longer before I started intervening at all. My grandmother called me with all kinds of concerns about babies dying from co-sleeping, etc. just like your dh's grandma. Her generation trusts doctors completely and was not raised to question. The baby that she is citing that died b/c they didn't schedule a c-section is not your baby. The circumstances may have been totally different, and babies don't usually die due to the cord entangling their necks in-utero. They are not yet breathing - oxygen is coming through the cord. If there was a lack of fluid and the cord got compressed, that could have caused the death, but that doesn't sound like the problem you have.
About halfway down the page, there's a great list of tips.
At the very least I recommend that you refuse all intervention and stay home as long as possible. Having a great doula will make things even better. If you show up at the hospital 9cms dialated there isn't much they can do to you.
I wish you lots of luck! No mama should have to put up with that kind of crap.
Originally Posted by turtlewomyn
It DH might even be wavering, he told me that what is most important is a healthy baby, not how she gets here.
Lisa, lucky mama of Kelly (3/93) , Emma (5/03) , Evan (7/05) , & Jenna (6/09)
Loving my amazing dh, James & forever missing Aaron Ambrose (11/07)
Originally Posted by jlpolzin
I wanted to suggest acupuncture to get labor going. My friend recently did that and went into labor after 2 acupunture sessions. I may be worth a try at this point and it's gentle. So if it doesnt' work, you know your baby and your body are not ready for labor.
I don't think it's worrisome that a baby hadn't dropped but you'd definately only be helped by visiting a chiropractor before labor.
I'm so sorry you're getting all this hassle from every side, mama. I'm sending gentle birthing vibes from here...
I opted for a castor oil induction, and I don't recommend it. Some people are very sensitive to it. The cramps were horrible and lasted for days, and I think if I'd left well enough alone I might have had a less exhausting labor.
Good Luck Sweetie. You can do it!!!
I felt in my gut that I was going to have a large baby. My doctor assured me that she would be 8 lbs tops. I went for 3 NSTs and her heart was decelerating. I was worried and really confused and I let the doctor pressure me to have an induction. I spent 18 hours in labor and pushed for 3 hours, nothing went how I wanted. The doctor started talking C-section and I freaked out. I delivered vaginally and was really proud of myself. In the end a healthy baby was what really matters. I delivered a 10.2 oz baby and I am only 5'1. You can do this mamma!!! Nature would never give you a baby that your body couldn't handle!! I will be thinking about you!!
We went in and talked to the doctor. He sat down with us and talked with us for 45 minutes. He also didn't talk down to us, I think he knew that we were intelligent, educated, and had informed ourselves on the issues. I explained to him all our hopes for a natural birth, and that we chose this practice because it had a midwife. He pretty much said that midwifes that deliver in hospitals are still bound to the same rules as the doctors in their practice, which of course are largely created to avoid lawsuites (damn our litigious society!!!). He did trash home midwives, saying they aren't safe because they might not have the training, but I bit my tongue. I don't agree, but I do feel that if you go that route you should definitely check their credentials. He explained to us that due to the estimated weight, the chest circumfrence (he cited papers that found this to be more accurate measured on ultrasound) and the increased level of amniotic fluid, they suspected (could not confirm though) that I had gestational diabetes that was missed during the glucose screening. He explained the risks of shoulder dystocia. He said that there was no way they would induce me, because my body is not favorable for that (closed cervix, baby not engaged) and it would most likely just end in a c-section anyway. He said that he suspected that the baby had not engaged yet because she was too big, and my uterus had only been doing half strength contractions because my body knew something was wrong. He said he believes in trusting the uterus. Because of this, he was recommending a scheduled c-section. He did say that if we went into labor on our own, he would be willing to let us attempt a vaginal birth at the hospital but he would be following the Friedman's curve and pushing for a section at the first sign of trouble. He did admit that yes, ultrasounds can be off, and this baby could come out at 8 lbs (I told him I would be so angry if we went for a section and that happened, and he nodded). He also said that now-days if you have a section once, it usually means sections for the rest of your births (this was the only point where I started crying during the discussion). My doula assures me that she does know some good VBAC docs in the area, but that birth (we only plan to have two children) is several years away, and I can't worry about that now. After talking to the doctor though, we both felt much better about everything that we ever thought we would.
We decided to shedule a c-section for Monday morning. I know that many here have said just sit at home an wait for labor, but I don't feel that is the correct choice for me. I know that my body wouldn't grow a baby too big for my body, but if I have had untreated gestational diabetes, then that could change things (my doula feels that this is one thing that could cause a baby to grow "too big"). I have felt this baby try to wiggle her way down several times, yet she is still floating above my pelvis, so maybe there is something wrong.
I have felt in my gut for a very long time that she was planning to come out this weekend. I feel that if it is safe for her to come out naturally, she will chose to do so before Monday. I don't feel safe trying things like castor oil, but I am going to relax this weekend and practice my hypnobirthing techniques, visualize good things, and tell her she is safe, and let her know her choices. My contractions seem to have been getting stronger, so I am hopeful. I have also been following someones recommendation to cut out sugar, to lower the amniotic fluid level. On monday my levels were 25, and I ended up with an ultrasound again yesterday, because the non-stress test didn't work because baby was kicking too much, they couldn't keep the monitor on her. The tech (who has become our friend over the course of this pregnancy) told us the baby is healthy, and that the fluid levels have dropped slightly to 21 (12 is considered normal). Maybe that doesn't mean anything (measurements can change greatly), but maybe cutting sugar has made a difference. We also plan to labor at home (if it happens) for as long as we feel safe.
If monday comes and she still isn't out yet, I know that I will be sad, and will mourn the loss of my natural birth. However, I no longer feel like I am being railroaded into making a bad decision. I was really scared that my feelings about the birth would overshadow the joy of meeting my daughter, and I no longer feel that way.
Of course, DH's mom wanted to know why we didn't schedule it for today. He had to tell her several times that the Doctor was OK with our decision, and so she should be too.
We are very upset with our midwife, and we even told the doctor so, he said he can't control his colleagues, but she does lack people skills. We had chosen to see her because we didn't want medical interventions pushed on us with no explanation, and that is exactly what we got from her. Looking back, maybe we should have seen it coming (she was always late for appointments, never took the time to talk to us - but I just felt that it was because I didn't ask enough questions). I felt it was strange that our midwife just told us over the phone that we needed to do a c-section (and she even told us not to bother to go in and talk to a doctor about it, because it wouldn't change things), while a doctor actually bothered to sit us down and talk to us about it.
So, now we are going to go enjoy our last weekend of being a couple before we become a family. Please send good labor vibes and hope that the baby can come out on her own. I am not going to check back right now, because I am afraid of what some people might say about my decision. Perhaps I will come back to tell you about the birth after my baby is here.
You have made an informed decision, that's what is most important. You looked for the reasons why, asked for info, found someone to respectfully sit with you and discuss...and made a choice that is right you you.
Blessings to you as you become a family, not long from now!!
Hope you have a wonderful birth!
I think it's very important to trust your gut feelings on this kind of thing. If you have a calm feeling, then it's good.
Wishing you all the best, and glad you got someone to talk to you respectfully!
I'll be thinking you, Mama. Come on, babyturtle! Time to come out!
After 4 m/c, our is here!