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[B][QUOTE=nicoley73;8551238]"I'm now 11 weeks out and feel pretty much back to normal most days. I think the physical therapy really helped. I had 5 sessions and my PT told me to continue my exercises daily for at least 16 weeks. I do both kegel and core (abdomen) exercises and think that the core strengthening was key in helping my recovery. My OB had described my pelvic floor damage as significant - at 2 weeks pp my cervix was coming out of me by the end of the day - and told me that while PT couldn't hurt, it probably wouldn't help too much. But my therapist was very encouraging from day one."

Nicoley73, can you elaborate further on the abdominal exercises you have been doing?
I was told not to do anything but the pelvic floor exercises for now, but really feel that abdominal toning would help. My abs feel so weak every time i get up from sitting..
I have a feeling the doc and the PA are just not sure how to guide me, so they are being conservative.
thanks for any pointers
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Querico, do you have the Whole Woman prolapse video? That has a nice exercise program that works all the pelvic, ab, & buttocks muscles relating to prolapse. It only takes about 15 minutes, which makes it very managable to do daily. Her workout on the new book is much more extensive. I am still learning that one. I wish there was a video to accompany it. That would be a lot easier. Also, before I learned about my prolapse, I got the book "Lose Your Mummy Tummy" and she seems to understand the whole prolapse issue and her ab work out seems like it might be suitable for us too. There is also a video you can buy. I may get that next. HTH.

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No I don't have them, but will order now.
Thanks for the tip. Sounds like a great place to start- with the 15 min/day routine.
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Anyone interested in an ongoing prolapse support thread? I thought maybe we could start one here & reach out to some more mamas. We can't be the only MDCers going through this!!!

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If you do start threa, would you post a link here? Also, would it be better to put that thread in Health and Healing (or are you all already there? ) or stay here since a prolapse so often comes after the birth?

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Anyone interested in an ongoing prolapse support thread? I thought maybe we could start one here & reach out to some more mamas. We can't be the only MDCers going through this!!!
I think that is a good idea.

I'm trying to figure out if I'm feeling the cystocele or perhaps my vajayjay is getting extremely tight due to the tons of kegals I do everyday. It feels really weird inside.
I also have the other prolapses too. The cystocele gives me the most problems. Does anyone seem to be improving and if you are what makes it better? I gather the V2 supporter helps. I'm reluctant to try it because it looks really tight. Whole Woman advises not to wear anything tight. What is the Estrace made of? I've yet to use the Premerin that was prescribed three wks ago. Its made of a pregnant horses urine. (Pre) Pregnant (mer) Mare's (in) Urine.

When I lie down I'm so freakishly loose. the opening is very tight so its possible the strange feeling I have is the vaginal walls sagging????? Or the cystocele?

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If you do start threa, would you post a link here? Also, would it be better to put that thread in Health and Healing (or are you all already there? ) or stay here since a prolapse so often comes after the birth?
I will definately link it, and I can start it either place. Where do you ladies think would reach the most people? Health & Healing seems to be pretty slow. I often do not get much of a response when I post over there, but maybe it's just me.

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I think that is a good idea.

I'm trying to figure out if I'm feeling the cystocele or perhaps my vajayjay is getting extremely tight due to the tons of kegals I do everyday. It feels really weird inside.
I also have the other prolapses too. The cystocele gives me the most problems. Does anyone seem to be improving and if you are what makes it better? I gather the V2 supporter helps. I'm reluctant to try it because it looks really tight. Whole Woman advises not to wear anything tight. What is the Estrace made of? I've yet to use the Premerin that was prescribed three wks ago. Its made of a pregnant horses urine. (Pre) Pregnant (mer) Mare's (in) Urine.

When I lie down I'm so freakishly loose. the opening is very tight so its possible the strange feeling I have is the vaginal walls sagging????? Or the cystocele?

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Fruitful Womb, I am sorry to hear you are feeling worse. I wish I knew more to be of help, but I am learning as I go here. I have my good days & my bad. I do feel like Christine's exercises & the posture are helping me. When I am really sore (backache, crampy, VV, discomfort inside) I resort to ibuprofin. It helps a lot. I also use ice packs & try to do some stretching. I hope you get some relief soon.

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I think a prolapse thread would be good here in birth/beyond...the health forums are slower and since many mamas are left with prolapse or other pelvic floor/organ changes as a result of birth I think this forum would be appropriate. Mamas come here to ask "what the heck is this and what do I do now?"... and I think you're right. MDC is a huge community and I'm sure there are lots of mamas here who have suffered birth injuries...

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~max~ how far are you postpartum? You mentioned ice packs. Where does that go and what is it for? Does anyone have any idea where this comes from? Why it happens? Some say its a difficult birth and thats very understandable. I didn't have a difficult birth. Never mind, I almost pulled my uterus out during my pushing stage. Not good. 'm due to see a uro-gynecologists this friday. The last time I saw him was 2 years ago. He did a treatment of Vaginal Tens. It was used to redirect the nerve endings. Apparently, my nerves are out of wack and they need to be rewired. : I may cancel and go for the PT. Can they do vaginal tens? My body responded well with the tens. But I have a feeling I'm going to get better results from a PT.
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Fruitful Womb, I am one year post partum. I did have a very difficult shoulder distocia birth, and it was my fourth large baby (she was 9.9 lbs and I am 5'2", 110 lbs), so I guess I should not be too surprised. I also have PSD and varicose vein pain, which are aggravated by the prolapse. I use the ice packs on those.

I have another urologist apt. coming up too, and I am on the fence if I want to go. It is for the urogenics (or something like that?) testing and a cystoscope. I soooo do not want to go, and am seriously considering cancelling.

I am trying out sea sponges as a form of pessary. Yesterday was my first day. It seemed ok. Today I will try it for longer & see how it goes.

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Here's the link to the support thread. I hope you all c'mon over.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...43#post8661743

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hi all
i had a grade 3 cycstocele at 4 wks postpartum.
my labor was long (26 hrs) and pushing phase 1 hour+ baby came out compound, meaning his hand was over his head.
I had a 2nd degree tear and at 3 wks pp discovered that something was bulging when i was in the shower.

I have been doing vaginal biofeedback/ pelvic floor PT and am greatly encouraged. Now at 8 wks pp, my cystocele is a grade 2. I have actually noticed that on certain days i feel almost normal.
yet if i have been straining (eg. picking up the kids or lifting) then i feel like my bottom is saggy.
I think listening to your body is very important. Also try not to strain or lift, which is always a challenge with litttle ones. Keeping stool soft is important to avoid straining with BMs. My friend who is a nutriotionist recommends All Bran Bran Buds every day and encourages lots of water for this issue.
my best to all who are dealing with this
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I am now 9 months and some pp and my cystocele is still hanging in there, and like everyone says is worse in the evening and after a bm, it actually bulges OUT after most bm's which still suprises/scares/amazes/confuses me. My doctor originally told meto wait and see if it would repair itself, but here I am 9 months later, so now he has reffered me to a specialist, who I will see next week. I have several big concerns...

1. I have no insurance (but I do when I am pregnant, and we want one more, so I wonder if I get pregnant, have the c-section if necesary and then get everything all put back where it belongs)

2. I have gained weight instead of lose since I had my baby, and I really want to start working out, but my hubby is really worried that I will make things "down there" worse an has forbidden me to do anything till I see the specialist.

3. Did I mention no insurance, and broke as a joke, because if I didn't, that is important!!!

Does anyone know of any programs that cover issues like this. Here in Nebraska we have "every woman matters" which covers screenings and some "female" procedures, but it only covers women 40-64, so I guess not EVERY woman matters!!!

Any help is greatly apriciated

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Hi Tara,
I'm so sorry to hear that you are still struggling with this and having the bulge after BMS. It is very frustrating and frightening.

I hope I can help you in some way. The insurance issue is really tough. I do not know where to direct you in Nebraska to get help with insurance.

Are you nursing? If so, I would recommend waiting until you have weaned to see the specialist. I have seen 2 urogynecologists and they both said that we won't know what we are working with until i have completely weaned. They recommend I return to see them after i have weaned and resumed menstruating.

If you have weaned, then perhaps your cystocele will need a repair. But if you are sure you want to get pregnant again, then don't bother seeing the urogynecologist now, because they won't do anything until you are finished with childbearing. They only will do the surgery when you are sure you are finished. (otherwise there is a high risk of the problem recurring)..

However, from what I understand they won't do the surgery at the same time as the csection because of the hormones. I understand they want you to return to normal estrogen state after weaning and then operate, as you need more estrogen for vaginal healing.
Did you discuss you insurance issues with your doctor or midwife?
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hugs mama, I'm so sorry you're experiencing this...

Come on over to the support thread for more ideas from other BTDT mamas.

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1. I have no insurance (but I do when I am pregnant, and we want one more, so I wonder if I get pregnant, have the c-section if necesary and then get everything all put back where it belongs).
Unfortunately the repair surgery can't be done during your c/s (unless you opt for a hysterectomy) since the pelvic organs are moving around so much for the next month or two. Although many care providers will say "go for c/s", the real stress on your prolapse comes during the pregnancy itself... a gentle delivery shouldn't cause any more damage than is going to happen with the pregnancy itself. So really reseach a care provider who suggests a c/s will prevent problems! And keep in mind that during a c/s your bladder is moved around a bit and then "put back"... so IMO it could make things worse!

On a different note, in terms of insurance coverage, the pregnancy insurance might cover a c/s but would consider the repair a seperate expense.

As pp mentioned... the repair surgery generally has to wait until after you're done having children (and nursing can cause a delay too). And surgery often needs to be re-done after 8-10 years. So depending on your age you might need to plan for several "lifts". It's something I remind myself a lot... assuming 10 years of decent results, I'd still be looking at 6-7 surgeries over my life! Ugh.

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There are exercise routines designed for prolapsed mamas! Have you looked at the information on the Whole Woman website? (http://www.wholewoman.com/) Or look into the Tupler Technique (the books are "Maternal Fitness" and "Lose the Mummy Tummy"...both have the same basic info but the first is designed for pregnancy/birth so if you're planning more go with that one. There's a cheat sheet online http://www.maternalfitness.com/baks_basics.pdf). And the exercise routines in "Beyond Kegels" and "The Core" are good too, and the Beyond Kegels book is especially good if you're having any incontenance.

Swimming, belly dance, some forms of yoga (think kripalu/svaroopa instead of iyengar/bikram), resistance band routines (like tupler technique)... basically things that don't put a lot of downward stress on the pelvic floor should be fine!

Hang in there mama...

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Hi Ladies
I have a self diagnosed cystocele. My midwife didn't mention it at my pp checkup : I figured it out on my own. I am *assuming* it isn't that bad since she didn't even tell me about it. It only feels bad if I wear dd for too long, have sex, or jog. I am hoping my period will come back even though I am ebfing, since maybe the increased estrogen would help. I will look at the wholewoman site. It sucks we all have this issue, but its nice to hear other women are going through the same thing!
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Well, it turns out to ba a fallen uterus instead of a fallen bladder, which of course sounds more frightening to me, but I will just have to take whatever is put on my plate. It looks like I will have my last child whenever God throws him or her into the plan and then I will have a (gulp) hystorectomy (which I know I am not spelling correctl right now, but I tried) and he said the same thing, that I will have to wait until my hormones level out to ge tthings taken care of, so we will just have to start planning finacially. Thanks for the feedback ladies.
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