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That's weird.

We had a nurse come out with us to the car (to make sure we had a car seat installed roughly correctly), but she certainly didn't carry the baby.

They did, repeatedly, offer me a wheelchair, which I declined. I mean, if I couldn't walk out to the car, how the heck am I going to get up the three flights of stairs to my apartment?
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With DD2 (a year and a half ago) they insisted on wheelchair to the door. I'd been fighting them on so much else, and was officially leaving AMA (due to chosen pediatrician's partner being on duty and lying to me about orders he'd write), I was ok with that. The nurse told us she had to come see the carseat (convertible, already properly installed and checked by carseat tech). She used the opportunity of being outside to suggest that perhaps next time I should opt for a homebirth since I wanted to turn down so many of their lovely services! I've since wondered whether she didn't feel safe saying that inside--she didn't seem judgmental through the process of us refusing interventions and causing her to probably need to file a dozen additional forms.

ETA: Oh, I carried the baby (almost forgot that was the topic!)
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I would be rather tempted if they said that to ask them who's liable if the nurse drops the baby. And mention that I would sooo sue them. Then see who got to hold the baby... But that wouldn't be very nice, I suppose.

Hopefully I'll never have to worry about it.
LMAO. Two can play that game, huh?

I was so agreeable with my first (hospital) birth but god forbid I end up in one again, things are going down so differently. I'll just have to make sure I'm not at Ackray's hospy or I'll get CPS following me:

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Thought y'all might enjoy a link re: wheelchairs from one of my favorite anthropologists, Robbie Davis-Floyd

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Thanks for that link. I am tired of people acting like my objection to wheelchairs is unreasonable.

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I was offered a wheelchair on the way in with both kids, but nobody cared when I turned it down. Every time I've been released from a hospital for surgery to treatment for an asthma attack they wheeled me out. It's just hospital policy and they are used to dealing with sick people. Thanks to the condition I was in both times after birth I was happy to have the wheel chair. I anticipate I will be equally happy to have a wheelchair again in April. I don't have ordinary simple pregnancies or deliveries though. If I was that lucky I wouldn't be having my baby in a hospital that's for sure! I firmly believe most women should not be in a hospital when having a baby and then they wouldn't have to deal with silly things. For women that do need hospital services being able to go to a small community owned and certified baby friendly hospital is a good way to go in my experience.

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We brought the bucket seat up, just because we felt it was easier to put her in it in the hospital than trying to maneuver her into it in the truck. I did get the wheelchair ride, and when DH picked the carrier up, the nurse said "oh no, mama has to carry the baby." So I get this heavy seat on my lap (glad I didn't have a c-section) while being wheeled out to the car. The nurse didn't look to see if anything was installed properly...which, after 4 days, I realized it wasn't!!! I'm just glad we had no accidents!
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On the car seat issue...We aren´t allowed to install them or put the baby in the seat. If I see something grossly wrong, then I will say something. I´ll check for basic things...is it tight enough, is it rear facing, too loose ect...but really it´s the parents responsibility to make sure their childs car seat is installed correctly. Again the reasoning being...if the parents get into an accident, they may try to sue and blame the nurse for putting the car seat in incorrectly if the baby gets hurt. Sad but true.

Before I had a child I had NO idea how to install a carseat, and it is not something they teach us at work. In fact on my way home from the hospital after having MY child...we realized we had put her in wrong! Some hospitals do...some have certified carseat technicians/inspectors on site (that would be nice)
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We took public transportation home from the hospital after having DS -- the streetcar goes right past the hospital and continues along to the bottom of our street.

During my time on the maternity ward, I had noticed carseats being checked, so I assume that if you are taking the baby in a carseat, they want to see it and double-check that the straps are placed correctly, but no one said a word when we left with DS in a pouch.

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"pick your battles"????? WTF???

NOTHING about having your baby should be a BATTLE!

this is exactly why i stay away from anything medical. when I had DD in a hosp, they acted like it was THEIR baby, and they told me what I could and couldnt do with her.

I remember being in nursing school, and the hospital i did clinicals at on the OB floor, this nurse started yelling at teh grandma who was walking with a fussy baby in the hallway. Apparently, NO ONE can carry a baby around in teh hospital. Baby has to be in the stupid plastic bassinet thing, or in the carseats.

its really sad that in this country, a hospitals first priority is liability, then, it is money, then it is the patients.

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My guess is they said something like they legally have to do that. They didn't mean by state law. They meant that their legal department has made this a policy to protect them from law suits. What likely happened is, something happened to a baby..maybe mom dropped it or something, and so this policy was enacted. You are well within your rights to refuse to allow them to carry your baby. Tell them you will sign a wavier if they need, to cover themselves, but you will be carrying your baby.

Keep in mind, that OB is the most sued field of medicine. It costs hospitals millions every year. So, while you have your rights, be sensitive to their policies. Now, I don't mean you should do all they say. What I mean is, understand they have these policies for a reason, and respect that. But, you can respectfully refuse any of them. Asking to sign a wavier lets them know you understand there is a liability issue there for them and you are happy to help cover that.
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We brought the bucket seat up, just because we felt it was easier to put her in it in the hospital than trying to maneuver her into it in the truck. I did get the wheelchair ride, and when DH picked the carrier up, the nurse said "oh no, mama has to carry the baby." So I get this heavy seat on my lap (glad I didn't have a c-section) while being wheeled out to the car. The nurse didn't look to see if anything was installed properly...which, after 4 days, I realized it wasn't!!! I'm just glad we had no accidents!
You carrying baby has to do with the policy of wheeling out every patient. That baby is a patient, too, and so must go out in a wheelchair, per policy. As for not checking the car seat - if they are not certified to do so, and most nurses aren't, then they have no business checking. After car seating 6 kids, I'm fully aware of all the do's and don't's of car seats. However, if I check someone over and say it looks good, but make a mistake, and you have an accident on the way home, the hospital can be sued. I often helped parents anyway, but it was at risk to the hospital and my job.
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"pick your battles"????? WTF???

NOTHING about having your baby should be a BATTLE!

this is exactly why i stay away from anything medical. when I had DD in a hosp, they acted like it was THEIR baby, and they told me what I could and couldnt do with her.

I remember being in nursing school, and the hospital i did clinicals at on the OB floor, this nurse started yelling at teh grandma who was walking with a fussy baby in the hallway. Apparently, NO ONE can carry a baby around in teh hospital. Baby has to be in the stupid plastic bassinet thing, or in the carseats.

its really sad that in this country, a hospitals first priority is liability, then, it is money, then it is the patients.
This is for SECURITY REASONS. Walk around with the baby in arms all you want in YOUR ROOM. Outside of the room, yes it does need to be in a bassinet. Sorry, but unfortuanately, the reality is people DO take babies. It doesn´t happen often but it does happen. Those rules along with the ¨stupid ankle bracelets¨ aren´t put in place to demean the parents and hold your baby ¨hostage.¨

I wish most people were as well intentioned as the people here. People that want to go to the hospital and just have thier babies in peace and with dignity. Don´t get me wrong...I hate the these stupid policies. I wish we didn´t have to have them. And some of them are unnecessary...but I can understand the one about carrying babies in the hallway. I don´t think it´s necessary to yell and be rude to the visitors over it though. I try to explain why it´s that way instead of just ¨You can´t do that...itś policy¨
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I could walk around with my baby in the hall. There was no room in my room to walk.

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But not all hospitals ¨allow¨ that. Ours happen to have pretty big rooms. Our hospital as a whole is soo afraid of getting sued it´s not even funny. I hate it. I try to opperate with common sense though. There are some nurses that just blindly follow policy no matter what. I do follow policies as well but some things just aren´t worth arguing about (hats after birth for example....or insisting that certain tests are the law and MUST be done when the parents are well within their rights to refuse). When I become so afraid of being sued that I force a baby to wear a hat...then I need to go find another job.

In the case of carrying the baby in the hallway though...that is something I will point out if I see it though. I certainly won´t yell at a person about it or be rude or immediately call security if the person is obviously innocent. But there have been a few threats of infant abduction often by the babies own parents or relatives (dads who were abusive and mom stated she did NOT want him up there...mothers that were clearly unfit and were not going to be getting their infants, threatning to leave with them...yes they do exist). These cases are not that common but they do happen.
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I understand the reason why. I just don't understand why it is any less of a risk if the baby is in the bassinette or car seat/

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Weird law . .

With dd1 we just walked out with her. With dd2 I was wheeled to the car and the nurse made sure she was put in a carseat. That was it.

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I had a fussy baby in the hospital, so I pulled hte rocking chair over to the window so I could at least look out the window....the little baby lojack on his bellybutton set the alarms off because I was too close to the window

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Here is the full site regarding how certain procedures affect the birthing process and the people involved (that's an understatement...):

http://www.birthpsychology.com/messa.../symbolic.html

The part about wheelchairs was posted already, but this has more information and other procedures you can click on and read about. It's pretty interesting, I think. Actually, when I discovered it after having so many conversations with dh about almost everything covered on this site, I said to him, "I think someone was listening in!" But then again, I've become a sort of radical...

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The wheelchair part of this thread reminded me of one more reason why I'm glad we uc'd. DD#2 flipped alot, but was mostly breech until labor. I went in for an ECV at about 37 weeks. I checked in at patient registration, then refused the "transport," as I was perfectly capable of walking the short distance to L&D. The lady who called for the transport was VERY upset with me and insisted that if anything happened to me they were responsible. Whatever. So I get upstairs and I'm waiting on dh to join me (he drove separately). He called me on the cell phone and told me the L&D nurses wouldn't let him in. I told him where I was, and he said, "I know. They were making fun of the 'one who didn't need a wheelchair'. I knew that was you." Funny that he immediately knew I was the one causing trouble, but it REALLY pissed me off that it was such a BFD that I wanted to walk. :

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I really don´t get why staff has to make such a big deal out of it. If a mama wants to walk then let her walk. Our mamas walk up to the L+D floor all of the time...why can´t they walk when they leave. I offer a wheel chair, but I´ve really got better things to do then get all upset and stressed out if a mama refuses it. I really don´t understand. It´s a shame this is even really an issue.
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I understand the reason why. I just don't understand why it is any less of a risk if the baby is in the bassinette or car seat/
Hmm, thought I already explained this on this thread, but maybe I'm thinking of something else... our hospital explained it really well during the tour, which was fortunate.

It's sort of like a secret code. See, you tell the parents "Baby has to be in the bassinet anytime s/he's out of your room." Then the parents pass this info on to the trusted visitors who might escort the baby out of the room. So, everyone who is legitimately taking the baby out of the room knows about the bassinet.

But, if someone decides to slip into the maternity ward and try stealing a baby, they (presumably) DON'T know the policy, and don't want to wheel out a big, clunky bassinet. So, if you see someone walking down the hall carrying a baby, you can stop them, and probably need to (if the hospital and the family has communicated the policy effectively).

Now, our hospital didn't do the carseat thing (which is good, since we had a giant convertible), but I guess if that's the policy at a particular hospital, there ya go, same thing. Babynapper probably isn't going to bring a huge, clunky baby bucket with them.
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I've never had a problem with the patient not accepting that that they can't walk home. And I haven't heard of any of the other nurses having this problem. I guess we'd call social services and security if the patient was being "unreasonable" about this and figure out a way with the patient how they were going to get home. We wouldn't let the patient leave until they had a safe way to get home. I really don't think we have ever had this kind of situation though. We live in a strange place. It's a very small unique community. There aren't any side walks on the streets surrounding hospital so it would be unsafe to walk.

I live 0.2 miles away from the hospital and I wouldn't walk with my kids to the hospital.
You're kidding, right? Sorry, but this pisses me right the heck off. Just had to stop reading the thread here to reply.

You do not have the RIGHT to call social services because someone chooses to walk home from the hospital. It is NOT your decision. I am absolutely flabbergasted at the sheer cajones you have. Call social services? They would laugh in your face. Holllleeeee Canolli.
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I should just add my hospital experience with my first born.

I was horribly sick (induced a month early with HELLP syndrome and pre-E). On the day I was due to be discharged, I nearly fainted in the shower. I told the nursing staff and nothing was done :

I had to BEG for a ride in a wheelchair to the car because I could barely walk 10 feet. Why did they let me go home???!
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You're kidding, right? Sorry, but this pisses me right the heck off. Just had to stop reading the thread here to reply.

You do not have the RIGHT to call social services because someone chooses to walk home from the hospital. It is NOT your decision. I am absolutely flabbergasted at the sheer cajones you have. Call social services? They would laugh in your face. Holllleeeee Canolli.
She did mention previously that the hospital she works at is on a busy street/highway with NO sidewalks. So, ok, I get that it's not safe, in her particular case, to leave on foot. Hopefully, since the hospital could build sidewalks and hasn't, they offer free transportation options.
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She did mention previously that the hospital she works at is on a busy street/highway with NO sidewalks. So, ok, I get that it's not safe, in her particular case, to leave on foot. Hopefully, since the hospital could build sidewalks and hasn't, they offer free transportation options.

But isn't it the patient's perogative. Is the mother suddenly stupid or dumb and can't make decisions for herself? If she wants to walk home, then so be it. Why should the hospital have any say in how you get home?! And I agree with the person who said that calling social services for not letting hospital staff escort you somewhere is a waste...its a waste of my tax money! I mean, seriously, are you (generally you) still riding your power trip, you really need to control how a woman leaves a hospital?
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Kimiij,

Right, but don't we all need to be protected from our own obvious ignorance by a giant impersonal conglomerate of policy-enforcers? I mean, you could die!

You're supposed to start learning that as soon as possible, so why not straight out of the womb? :

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Those policies are annoying. They really put the staff in a really awkward positon. I personally would not call social services if a person that was obviously able to and competent (as in not on heavy meds) enough chose to walk home. Itś their choice. BUT IF something were to happen to the mom (steps off the side walk...get ran over...whatever) you can bet you butt, I would probably lose my job and possibly be named in a lawsuit if the parents so chose to sue. It a rare occurance. so I just take my chances on that. If I argue with them and demand they get a ride...I can also possibly get sued and fired/disciplined...I figure that is more likely. It is SO rare that someone chooses to walk home anyway...itś not really something that comes up all the time for me. So eh...I just can´t get that worked up about it.

Granted if the area seemed unsafe...I would probably ask them if there was anything I could do to arrange something for them, over and over...but thats not me trying to exert authority over them...thats just me being an annoying worrywart.
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Granted if the area seemed unsafe...I would probably ask them if there was anything I could do to arrange something for them, over and over...but thats not me trying to exert authority over them...thats just me being an annoying worrywart.
Phreedom, I'd probably do the same, not because I don't think a mother can make the best choice for herself and child, but just because I care about people and if I had the means and they might possibly not and maybe they made the choice between two not-so-attractive options, then I would feel priviledged to be able to help. If the mum declined my offer, that's the end of it.

Your concern is admirable; the reaction of the workers who enforce the punishment situation described by Ackray, is not.

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