but the i think for me. its the "IDEA" of a giant needle being "shoved" into you back is what gets me. ***shivers**
the brain is AMAZING. if you have an idea in your head ( true or not) you mind can play tricks KWIM?
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It doesn't hurt as much as the mind makes it out to be. It does however cause problems (back wise) for some people like myself (scoliosis, I had the spinal). If not careful, you can end up with what's called a spinal headache (I had it, I think Epi is the same right?)
It's a massive headaches caused by blood seepage into the spinal fluid if the catheter isn't placed right or slips.
With the few epidurals I have had, I never got the headache.
To me, anything in my back hurts. The epidural pain was worse that the spinal pain...think it has alot to do with cath insertion and nerve endings.
Well for me the reaction I got from the epidural was a pain, i'd rather have dealt with the contractions than the itching I got from it. That was totally unbearable and made me miserable. Then I think them taking off the tape was the absolute worst! I actually screamed when they did that, I never screamed during a contraction, lol.
I sometimes had a sharp pain in a certain radius around the insertion point for 5-6 months pp, esp while lifting more than 15lbs, ie DD
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Neither are placed *without* a local anesthetic being used first if the patient in question is conscious.
I'm not even sure it would be remotely feasible to attempt placing the actual epidural or spinal needle properly *without* numbing with a local first. A person simply wouldn't be able to tolerate the procedure. It's not like a procedure where you could hold a person down to do it despite the pain because the precision required to actually get it in the right place is too great.
I had spinals with all of my c-sections. None were what I'd call pleasant, but none were horrible either. I was not in hard labor with any of them, neither myself nor any of my babies were in trouble at the moment necessitating quick action, and I had excellent OR nurses each time helping me stay in one position, all of which I'm sure had at least some effect on my experiences.
The worst part of my first and second sections....the IV placement before surgery. First time was AWFUL. Far and away the worst part of all of it, and on the top five list of most painful experiences I've had. They blew a vein and my arm was black and blue from elbow to wrist for days afterward. Second time was not quite as bad, but bad enough. Third time was a walk in the park, though I did spend quite a bit of time fretting over how awful it might be. The third one was the only one I had a local with prior to insertion. In hindsight, I should have had a local with all of them. Live and learn.
Mine, too. And my Anestesiologist was Mean. She yelled at me and was very rude the whole time while I cried and told her I was sorry my back was difficult. :
Mine took all of 3 minutes. So even if I was having contractions and had to stay curled over, 3 minutes is no big deal, right?
You have GOT to be kidding!!! 3 minutes is FOREVER to stay hunched over if you are having back labour. 30 seconds is a long time. It was beyond horrible. The abolute worst part of labour. I had the OB/GYN and 2 nurses holding me down hunched over so they coudl get it in. Dont' know why they coudln't wait til I wasn't having a contraction, altho they were pretty much right on top of eahc other, I guess.
Anyhow, you must be joking. Either that or you've never been in hard labour or had back labour. The contractions are simply unbearable if you can't sit up, and move around as you need to. Hucnhing over or being on my back were the 2 WORST positions for contractions.
it was the only time during the whole thing whre I actually lost it and coudln't breather thru it or deal with it. I think it was the only time I cried during labour. I actually COULDN'T stay hunched over. As I said, the dr. had to hold me down.
yeah, no big deal..
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|the IV placement before surgery. First time was AWFUL. Far and away the worst part of all of it, and on the top five list of most painful experiences I've had. They blew a vein and my arm was black and blue from elbow to wrist for days afterward.|
I did find it scary to have to stay still for the epi, but they waited till I was between contractions.
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I don't know why some people feel the need to respond with snark when I just asked a question. Isn't it better that I ask questions and understand rather than go around spouting misinformation because my experience was different?
And you Don't see your tone in the part I quoted? I did. Sorry If I misunderstood.
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I'm sorry if you saw a mean tone in my OP because of your past experiences, but I was simply asking a question and trying to explain why I was confused due to MY experience. I never once said that everyone had the same experience as me, or that there is never pain involved in getting an epi. MY experience was differerent, leading to a bit of confusion, so I asked.
You said it wasn't a big deal for anyone to stay hunched over while having contractions. You said if people had a different experience than you, (having contractions) is still wasn't a big deal. YOu put a quesiton amrk, but it wasn't really a question. If you had said "Is it really hard to stay curled over while having contractions" thar woudl be ok. Saying "it's no big deal right?" isn't.
I am sorry for jumping on you so hard since apaprently you didn't mean it the way you said it.
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I have no problem with IVs being inserted (never needed one for labour or birth, but have for other reasons) but the use of a tiny bit of local is overwhelmingly painful. I opt to have no local at all and barely flinch even for a large bore IV catheter.
I enjoy blood tests - I actually find the piercing of the skin to be ticklish. Other women HATE HATE HATE them. Some women dont flinch for an epidural, others do. We are all different.
My friend who had an epidural said that it didn't hurt after they put the local anesthetic in.
Then another one that I know of, said that it hurt like hell. *shrugs*
Something I try to remember is that pain tolerance for different areas of the body is different for everyone.
For example, I'm due any day now...and I plan on avoiding the epidural (or any intervention for that matter). I think my main issue isn't the thought of the needle in my spine, I've had plenty of needles in plenty of places for many years of my life. My issue is that I think being confined to a bed would send me into a panic attack. However, I also made sure that the O/B knows that while I intend to avoid all these things (including C-section) things do go wrong in birth and if they have a damn good reason for anything they need to do, I'm for it.
What can I say? I'm one of those easy-going peoples...
It was the worst experience. Not to mention, all the things that happenedduring and after the epidural.
I will never have one again. Even though my second labour hurt so much more, I dind't have the smallest desire even for an epidural.
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Both times it took THREE TRIES before it actually got in. Each one stung like hell!! And both times it took around 20 minutes. It was AWFUL!
Definitely the worst part of the c-section. Recovery was a breeze compared to getting the epidurals!
I'm quite sure I had horrendous anesthesiologists, though. My bad luck, perhaps?
Mine didn't hurt, at all. The local stang a bit, the insertion was painless. Even the stinging bit was so minor compared to the contrax that I barely noticed.
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