i'm totally pissed. last time i was strapped down to a fetal monitor almost the entire time and could barely move around at all (tho they did "let" me kneel on the bed for a while). i have been looking forward to being able to move around this time, and thinking what a huge difference it will make...
but, i'm stuck. so - does anyone have any ideas of how i can make that strapped-down time more bearable?
Some hospitals have telemetry units that monitor without wires.
Also ask the midwife if *she* has access to a labor ball. My m/w swiped one from the physical therapy dept
I only needed to be monitored 10-20 minutes an hour with ds, the nurse said she could even follow me around for that time, but with him I took the "rest" and layed in bed for monitoring and then got back up.
With dd (same hospital) the nurse that time said she only need to listen for a contraction. With DD there was no way I was getting into that bed, so I layed on the birthing ball and she listened.
I think the biggest thing will be what nurse you get at delivery. If you don't like the one you are assigned ask for another.
20 to 30 minutes every hour was a bit too much for me. And towards the end, it hurt to have them strap the belt on. Dh actually did the refusing for me the last time because I was just screaming in pain and all they could think about was the monitor.
They leave you alone in the room after they hook it up. You can unhook it anytime you want.
Be -one of the myriad reasons why I won't deliver in a hospital again. .
No I know I don't have to be monitored and won't sign the paper! Thanks!
Sorry to kidnap this thread
They never got it because I ripped it off at one point and the doctor finally told them not to try it on me again. This time around I intend on staying with the same doctor up until delivery and also letting them know that there is no way I want fetal monitoring. I will walk out of the hospital and not come back until I have to push if I have to!
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Keep telling them that you have to get up to pee.
The good part was that the nursing staff members kept coming in and saying "what a lovely baby" because of the regular heartbeat. It was reassuring.
If you have no reason for your baby to be in distress, why do they have to keep putting you on the monitor once an hour? That is a stupid policy.
Divorced mom of one awesome boy born 2-3-2003.
Sorry to hijack your thread and I don't want to make you nervouse about NYM, but just be prepared to really stand your ground with them and know your rights! I think I was better educated about some things than they were.
Do you have to have the birth at this hospital? I had a lot of interventions because I really really needed them. But I wouldn't want to have them if I didn't need them. They could slow down a normal labor. (Since I wasn't having a normal labor anyway, I don't know if they interfered in mine or not.) Do your docs/midwives have privileges anywhere else?
Divorced mom of one awesome boy born 2-3-2003.
Anyway, here's another question: My best friend and then my mom will be coming out here closer to the due date. Depending on who's here that day, one or both of them will be my birth partner(s). They both live on the other side of the country so we can't prepare together. Any tips, from your own experiences, for them? Especially re: how they can advocate for me on potentially contentious issues like this one.
Julie - what is a vbac?
You could write out a birth plan. Your practitioners may not pay attention to it. The midwives who did my prenatal care basically told me I didn't need one. But if someone is going to be your informal doula (birth advocate) that person should have your list of things you want/don't want to happen.
I found this sample birth plan on line.
I know that some people don't like birth plans. For example, the authors of the book Birthing From Within doesn't like them. They seem to say that 1) you need to let go of controlling the birth and 2) if you can't trust your providers, then a birth plan won't help anyway.
I disagree with this, though. I think I should have had on paper that they shouldn't cut the cord too soon. Even though I said many times to my midwives that I didn't want the cord to be cut too soon, they were still anxious about the baby. We were all anxious so we caved.
You need to get the midwives behind you on the issue of not monitoring through the whole labor. They should be willing to just monitor for a baseline at the beginning and then not bug you if things are going well.
Oh yeah, the one thing to keep in mind: if you feel okay letting the baby go to the nursery after the birth to be checked out, you want someone to go with her/him. At the same time, you shouldn't be alone right after the birth.
Typing all of this out is making me want to do a home birth if I have another baby.
Divorced mom of one awesome boy born 2-3-2003.
Of course, in a hospital with OBs, any plan that goes against their routines most likely will not be followed.
after discussing this with 1 of the dr's and 2 of the midwives, we have come up with a plan that i'm comfortable with, and that meets both hospital policy and state law. (why oh why is there state law dictating how often i should be monitored??? but that's another thread...) so, i'll get 15-20 min of monitoring when i check in. after that, it'll be every 15 min or so, but only for about a minute at a time. i can totally live with that. then, continuous monitoring during 2nd stage, but in any position i want. and, altho telemetry is not available, they will try very hard to have a fetoscope there.
i feel so relieved. i'm surprised at how worked up i got over this. i guess it's no surprise that childbirth brings up some very deep emotional stuff for any of us - and for me (also no surprise, to anyone who knows me) it brought up some serious control issues! hope this will make me better equipped to handle control issues as they arise during labor, as i'm sure they will.
anyway, while i'm procrastinating from my studies i just wanted to post an update and thank y'all for your thoughtful replies, which helped me A LOT in talking to the dr/midwives and my birth partners. and i'll let you know what happens... (37 wks pg now!)
Did you find out whether your midwife has a birthing ball? They're not that expensive, you might even consider getting one yourself - they're awesome for bouncing a baby to sleep on! Very soothing for mom and baby both.
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I'm not. It's unreasonable and will make the labor harder for you.
I'm really surprised this is state law. Did they happen to mention where you could find this state law?
If they say you can't be admitted without the 20-minute strip, threaten to give birth at home. No way will they want you doing that! They will bend over backwards to get you to stay!
if i feel different in the moment, you bet i'll demand a waiver.
i have no doubt you're right about threatening to give birth at home! but i'm hoping not to get in any fights w/ hospital personnel. once i get started it's pretty hard to rein me in, so i'm hoping we can just keep everything chill and diplomatic. i will save my big guns for bigger issues.
midwife says they have birthing balls at the hospital, so i should be set.
Fetal Heart Monitering was developed by a physician for high risk mothers in labor.
For healthy mothers, to restrict their movement as the monitering does during a normal labor, is detrimental to the outcome of a healthy labor.
If you still want to deliver in a hospital, you need to remember, the hospital is the medical professionals' "turf"( and the insurance company's, and the government's...). You are on their ground. Those are the rules...
When a woman delivers at home, she is the Queen. She has the home court advantage.
Read it for yourself.
Your state has a compelling interest in the health (safety, education, and welfare) of its citizens, which is vested in the States by the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution. These are called the "Police Powers". I am sure the medical board and insurance companies had a "compelling" interest to lobby the State Legislature to pass such a law.
I would have a problem with Congress passing such a law. They already passed a law requiring women to stay 48 hours after birth in the hospital and insurance companies to reimburse. Where is the compelling interest here?
believe me, if i could do it at home i would! there's various logistical reasons that just wouldn't be feasible in my situation, but if there's a next time...
anyway, the 48 hr law (i believe it's federal) does require insurance companies to reimburse but does not require the mother to stay. however, we do have to get ok'ed by my dr and ped to leave early. anyway, that's what the midwife told me.
what's the compelling interest? well, as far as insurance goes, that should be clear. there are so few laws requiring insurance co's to pay anything, this is good news to me. as far as limiting mothers' choices, i'd say... patriarchy. that's probably not what it says in the congressional record, however.
one of these days i'll get around to looking up the law and let you know what i find.
As to monitoring, I think that "state law" things is just smoke and mirrors...so you can buck it if you want to.
For practical advice, frequent bathroom breaks as suggested is helpful. Aslo watch, and learn how to reset the machine yourself...less interaction with the nurses, you can turn yourself back on when you feel like it. You usually only have to push one button. It's easy. I did it all the time. Also think about buying your won belts...the hospital ones where I was were itchy and plasticky, and I snagged nice comfy cloth ones (distributor samples I think) from some friendly nursing supervisors while I as a long term guest. They were more easily and more obviously need laundered so I think most hospitals use the yucky plastic ones. The softer ones were nicer. Midwifery and medical supply catalogs would have them.
And of course, DEMAND your records from the hospital before they have a chance to 'doctor' them up.
I wrote on these forums about the time Jay Hathaway of the Bradley method of Natural Childbirth taped the birth of twins confirmed by several U/S scans.
There was one baby.
He went to congratulate the mother on the recovery floor after putting away his film equipment in the delivery room. The new mother's records were changed in that short period of time to reflect the birth of one baby, with NO TWINS in anticipation. No one on the recovery floor knew who Jay was talking about.
RE: leaving the hospital AMA.
The hospital, doctors, nurses, CPS, and the government can make life miserable for you. Remember this is only the beginning of making decisions for your new one. Try to make it as 'non-traumatic" as possible for you, your DH, and your dear child.
|And of course, DEMAND your records from the hospital before they have a chance to 'doctor' them up.|
I used to work for a mental health agency and it was common practice to keep two records on each client - the one we would give them if they asked for it, and the "secret" one. Often, the diagnoses even differed between those two records. Of course, the secret file with all the "real" information was the one given to insurance companies.
Another place I went to get records from had this policy: instead of giving you the record, they would lead you into a windowless room and a person who worked there would read you the record.:
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