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#1 of 13 Old 10-22-2004, 04:43 PM - Thread Starter
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John Kerry says he is going to stop American jobs from going overseas...

HEINZ

HEINZ JAPAN LTD - Tokyo, Japan
HEINZ-UFE LTD. - Guangzhou, People's Republic of China
HEINZ COSCO - Qingdao, People's Republic of China
HEINZ KOREA LTD. - Inchon, South Korea
HEINZ WIN CHANCE LTD. - Bangkok, Thailand
HEINZ INDIA PRIVATE LIMITED - Mumbai, India
PT HEINZ ABC INDONESIA - Jakarta, Indonesia
PT HEINZ SUPRAMA - Surabaya, Indonesia
HEINZ UFC PHILIPPINES - Manila, the Philippines
HEINZ HONG KONG LIMITED - Wanchai, Hong Kong
H. J. HEINZ (Botswana) (Proprietary) LTD. - Gaborone, Botswana
KGALAGADI SOAP INDUSTRIES (Pty) LTD. - Gaborone, Botswana
REFINED OIL PRODUCTS (Pty) LTD. - Gaborone, Botswana
OLIVINE INDUSTRIES (Private) LIMITED - Harare, Zimbabwe
CHEGUTU CANNERS (Pvt) LTD. - Chegutu, Zimbabwe
HEINZ SOUTH AFRICA (PTY) LTD. - Johannesburg, South Africa
HEINZ WELLINGTON'S (PTY) LTD. - Wellington, South Africa
HEINZ EUROPE - Hayes, Middlesex, England
H. J. HEINZ COMPANY LIMITED - Hayes Park, Hayes, Middlesex, England
H. J. HEINZ COMPANY LIMITED - Rovereto, Italy
H. J. HEINZ COMPANY LIMITED - Telford, England
JOHN WEST FOODS LIMITED - *********, England
H. J. HEINZ FROZEN & CHILLED FOODS LIMITED - Hayes, Middlesex, England
H. J. HEINZ COMPANY (IRELAND) LIMITED - Dublin, Ireland
H.J. HEINZ COMPANY OF CANADA LTD - North York, Ontario, Canada
OMSTEAD FOODS LIMITED - Wheatley, Ontario, Canada
ALIMENTOS HEINZ C.A. - Caracas, Venezuela
DISTRIBUIDORA BANQUETE, S.A. - San Jose, Costa Rica
HEINZ ITALIA S.r.l. - Milan, Italy
FATTORIA SCALDASOLE, S.p.a. - Monguzzo, Italy
COPAIS FOOD AND BEVERAGE COMPANY, S.A. - Athens, Greece
HEINZ POLSKA Sp. Z.O.O. - Warsaw, Poland
PUDLISZKI S.A. - Pudliszki, Poland
WODZISLAW, S.A. - Wodzislaw, Poland
ETS. PAULET S.A. - Douarnenez, France
H. J. HEINZ FROZEN S.A.R.L. - Paris, France
HEINZ IBERICA S.A. - Madrid, Spain
IDAL (Industrias de Alimentacã, Lda.) - Lisbon, Portugal
MIEDZYCHOD S.A. - Miedzychod, Poland
HEINZ C.I.S. - Moscow, Russia
HEINZ GEORGIEVSK - Georgievsk, Russia
CAIRO FOOD INDUSTRIES SAE - Cairo, Egypt
HEINZ REMEDIA LIMITED - Tel Aviv, Israel
STAR-KIST FOOD DÃ,'OR LIMITED - Haifa, Israel
H. J. HEINZ GMBH - DÔ Ó¥ldorf, Germany
SONNEN BASSERMANN - Seesen, Germany
KONINKLIJKE DE RUIJTER BV - The Netherlands
HAK BV - The Netherlands
FOODMARK - The Netherlands
HONIG MERKARTIKELEN BV - The Netherlands
DRUKKERIJ DE GROENBOER - The Netherlands
H. J. HEINZ B.V. - Elst, The Netherlands
H. J. HEINZ BELGIUM S.A. - Brussels, Belgium
SERV-A-PORTION - Turnhout, Belgium
Arimpex Industrie Alimentari S.R.L. - Rovereto, Italy
Comexo S.A. - Chateaurenard, France
HEINZ EUROPE - UK and IRELAND - Factories: Chorley,
Fakenham, Grimsby, Kendal, Kitt Green, Leaminton, Luton,
Okehampton, Telford, Westwick

Think of the conflict of interest a President would have who's wife owns business

interests in all of these countries...
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Think of the conflict of interest a President would have who's wife owns business

interests in all of these countries...
Ah...that's exactly what I'm thinking about!

John Kerry as President....John Kerry as President......John Kerry as President.....
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Think of the conflict of interest a President would have who's wife owns business

interests in all of these countries...
BZZZT. Wrong again.

See:

"According to Heinz itself, the Heinz family trust which Mrs. Kerry inherited sold most of its shares of Heinz stock back in 1995 and currently holds less than a 4% interest in the company:

"Neither Mrs. Heinz Kerry nor Senator Kerry nor any of the Heinz trusts or endowments — either individually or collectively — holds a significant percentage of shares of the H.J. Heinz Company. In 1995 the Heinz Endowments and family trusts sold a large percentage of Heinz shares in a secondary share offering to diversify their holdings. As a result, their current holdings are under 4 percent.

"There is no connection between any philanthropic programs of the H.J. Heinz Company and its Foundation and the Heinz family interests (including the Howard Heinz Endowment, the Vira Heinz Endowment, and the Heinz Family Philanthropies)."

From here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp

Btw, re the global entity Heinz' "outsourcing" mumbo jumbo. I think it is worth remembering what Heinz sells, i.e. mostly food. If it has foreign customers, it HAS to have local production of its goods. From same Snopes link listed above:

"Currently, 60% of the sales of the H.J. Heinz Company are outside the United States and to accommodate those customers by providing facilities closer to those markets, the company maintains a number of overseas facilities that provide products for consumers in those markets. This allows Heinz to pack the freshest ingredients, tailor its recipes to local tastes and deliver the finished products in a timely and efficient manner. In the United States, Heinz makes its flagship ketchup in factories in Fremont, Ohio; Muscatine, Iowa; and Stockton, California."

Using Heinz as a target for outsourcing is, at best, lazy and at worst, idiotic. Best to use the good folks at Snopes to suss out emails that contain bogus 'talking points'.
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John Kerry will fight to keep good jobs in America. He will stop tax breaks to companies that send U.S. jobs overseas and create tax incentives to keep good U.S. jobs at home. Kerry will ensure companies that move offshore do not receive government contracts. (Associated Press, 3/25/04; www.johnkerry.com)

George W. Bush supports giving $60 billion in tax breaks to companies that lay off workers and move overseas. Since taking office, each of Bush's federal budget proposals included tax breaks for companies that export jobs overseas. Says exporting jobs is good for America. According to The Economic Report of the President, 2004, "When a good or service is produced more cheaply abroad, it makes more sense to import it than to provide it domestically." (H.R. 2896, 2004; The Washington Post, 10/23/03; Bush fiscal years 2002-2005 budget proposals; Economic Report of the President, 2004)
http://www.aflcio.com/issuespolitics...ry_compare.cfm

http://www.aflcio.org/yourjobeconomy...bsoverseas.pdf
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Gotta love those e-mails with this nonsense in 'em. Got one the other day talking about the rich John Kerry with his rich wife not understanding the real people. : Sure'n'the poor man-of-the-people Mr. George W. Bush does understand 'em, right? : Don't we all run oil companies and own baseball teams? :




Thanks for the reminder about snopes. Used to go there more often ... gotta go back ...
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What's that funny old saying, you will reap what you sow.....

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The world is becoming more globalized, there is no doubt about that. While that sounds promising, the current form of globalization, neoliberalism, free trade and open markets are coming under much criticism. The interests of powerful nations and corporations are shaping the terms of world trade. In democratic countries, they are shaping and affecting the ability of elected leaders to make decisions in the interests of their people. Elsewhere they are promoting narrow political discourse and even supporting dictatorships and the “stability” that it brings for their interests. This is to the detriment of most people in the world, while increasingly fewer people in proportion are prospering.
Please do pardon the lefty source. Global Issues

But it gets better. WTO gets an honourable mention in the b@stard category.
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Another criticism about the WTO is the rule regarding Production and Processing Methods; that importing nations cannot distinguish how something is made when trading. This sounds good at first along the lines of equality and non-discrimination. However, what has happened in reality is that some national laws and decisions for safety and protection of people's health, environment and national economies have been deemed as barriers to free trade. Take the following as a very small set of examples:

1. Countries cannot say no to genetically engineered food
or milk that contains genetically engineered growth hormones known to cause health problems.
2. or trees that have been felled from pristine forests and so on.
3. Guatemala took efforts to help reduce infant mortality, in accordance with the World Health Organization's guidelines, and to counter aggressive marketing by baby food companies aimed at convincing mothers their products are superior to the more nutritious and disease-protecting breast milk for their babies. The result? The affected corporations managed to take this to GATT (the predecessor to the WTO) and get a reversal of the law amidst the threat of sanctions. Profits prevailed....................
I thought number three was particularly special. :


Outsourcing, job losses, social disintegration in affected communities on both sides.... but really, what else can you expect in an era of globalisation? Free trade is the big thing. Multinational corporations are supposed to save the world & make us all rich- that's the dream anyway..... What else can you expect? Surely not to have the global capital flow overwhelmingly one-way into the US & her corporations forever? Didn't ya think that the people & countries you do deals with might start to expect more than scraps? No? Oops.

The 1989 Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement

Bahrain-US free trade agreement

Australia-US Free Trade Agreement and the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme

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We get the best drugs and the newest drugs at the lowest prices. If a new drug is no better for patients than an existing drug, the PBS won’t pay the producer any more for it. In fact, the system is so good that it saves Australians about $1-2.5 billion dollars per year.

So every Australian can get the drugs they need when they need them without going into debt..... The PBS delivers great value for money, efficiency, equity and health.

.....the drug companies don’t like this. They say...... they don’t like the use of evidence-based decision making, they don’t like Australians paying what drugs are therapeutically worth, and they don’t like the Australian PBS limiting their ability to make even bigger profits than they already do. They want fewer limits in Australia on their ability to market whatever drug they want at whatever price they want.

And because most big pharmaceutical companies are American, they’re pressing the US and Australian governments to include the PBS in the negotiations about the Australia-US Free Trade Agreement.
Nice. :

U.S.-Central America Free Trade Agreement

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The Bush Administration aggressively pursued the CAFTA negotiations on a very short timeline; whereas NAFTA took more than seven years to negotiate and the FTAA has been negotiated for almost a decade, CAFTA was completed in one calendar year, with limited civil society or Congressional participation. Negotiations for CAFTA began in January 2003, shortly after the U.S. Congress approved a bill to confer Trade Promotion Authority (or “Fast Track”) to the White House. Under “Fast Track,” Congress is limited to an up or down vote and cannot amend a trade agreement. The agreement was signed on May 28, 2004 in Washington D.C. and is now waiting to be submitted to Congress after the elections.


The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)

U.S. and Chile Conclude Historic Free Trade Agreement

US-Israel Free Trade Agreement

There are more. But i'm simply tired of putting them into this post. I don't know, maybe it's just me but I see a direct connection between globalisation & job loss & increasing poverty in various & disparate communities around the world. Including some communities in the United States. Don't quite see how JFK is going to change that if he's elected (read: I am pessimistic that it will be business as usual under Kerry/Democrats), but I don't think he's going to do near that damage that Bush will if he's turned loose on the world for another 4 years. IMO, of course.

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Thanks Aussie Mom for the links and quotes
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I want to make sure you are understanding the difference between outsourcing and having a factory producing goods in another country FOR that country.

If Heinz was outsourcing, they'd have those factories in all those countries making ketchup to send BACK to the US. But they don't! They make ketchup there and sell it there. The people making the goods are buying them. Therefore, they have to pay the people in the factories a wage big enough to buy said ketchup.

This is very different from a company like Nike getting people to make shoes for 5 cents an hour in Mexico and then selling them to Americans for $200.

These are COMPLETLEY different situations and you'd do well to get that straight before you go accusing John Kerry of outsourcing.

I am totally against the WTO and other free trade groups and agreements but you need to read the links posted above explaining the difference, not to mention the fact that the Kerrys don't have control over what happens in those plants.

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I want to make sure you are understanding the difference between outsourcing and having a factory producing goods in another country FOR that country..
Thanks, PikkuMyy, for saving me the effort of saying almost exactly what you said.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding here, not a conflict of interest.
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Thanks, PikkuMyy, for saving me the effort of saying almost exactly what you said.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding here, not a conflict of interest.

Thanks, I didn't know what the word outsourcing meant.

I have not studied this issue like I should, and I really appreciate the views of those of you who have.

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