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Old 05-09-2005, 10:41 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Hey mamas....

If you are going to be auctioning or selling WAHM stuff on ebay or the TP or whever can everyone please try to take your own pictures OR email the wahm and ask permission to use their pictures? I know its a small details... but many wahms go through a lot of time and effort to make really professional pictures.. and it really stinks and hurts for those to be taken for personal use without even thinking to ask the WAHM, kwim? Same thing goes for graphics/web code/articles, etc... but that doesnt really apply here, LOL. But It all falls under the fact that anything published on websites belongs to the owner because of copyright laws. I doubt many people would say no.. its just a nice courtesy to ask first
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It does take a really long time! I took pictures to list Sophie's diapers for sale now that she is potty learned and it took me an hour to take pictures, resize, upload and write descriptions. I'd be so upset if someone used those pictures without at least asking. Thanks for bringing this up Tiffany.
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I cannot say enough about this. You can get in legal trouble (it's happened to someone I know!) for using a company's pictures. Thanks for the reminder, Tiffany.

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It *does* take a long time to get the pictures taken, edited, named so you actually remember what the picture is of, then categorized with the others.... that's why it takes me so darn long to put stuff on the TP!!!

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It does take a long time. All the auctions I am doing on ebay took forever exspecially with a crappy camera you have to take 5 pics of one item in hopes to get one that might turn out. So no doubt does it take time.
Just not everyone including me thinks about asking I suppose.

However not all will let you use their pictures. oh well....
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Just not everyone including me thinks about asking I suppose.
Exactly! Hence this great PSA

(btw, I don't even *have* a digital camera... I can only take pictures when I take the camera home from work on the weekends... but since I'm quitting at the end of this month I don't know *what* I will do later?! I guess I'll just figure that out later)

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That is a great point, I have seen it myself.
Also, if you are gonna sell something WAHM make SURE the WAHM actually made ALL the items in your lot.....my little PSA

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What does PSA stand for?
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"Public Service Announcement"
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What does PSA stand for?
I'm guessing, Public Service Announcement?
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I'd like to add that WAHM's please ask mama's before posting other people's babies in your gallery. Most do, but its a little shocking to stumble across your baby on the internet and not have been asked permission to have it placed there.

I'm sure these are innocent when they happen. That's why a friendly PSA is a good thing!
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It's all in the details, isn't it? Thanks for the reminder, Tiffany.
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Great PSA, Tiffany!
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oh esp don't use a "new" photo of the item to sell it used. yikes.
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people tend to break copyright law freely. And the internet makes it worse.

That goes for music and movies.....

*stepping off my artist protection soapbox*
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I am a photographer and I totally agree with this PSA. It can be very upsetting to have someone use your work without permission.
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I feel like I am totally missing something here. Why would a wahm- or anybody for that matter- care if you link to their photo of the diaper?


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Because legally it is theirs. I can't go on to the McDonald's site and use their photographs for something I am selling in hopes to make more money than I bought it for (say collector's item). I can't use their photos on my personal website and vice versa.

So if I have a one of a kind KP and then use Maria's photograph to sell it on Ebay, I am stealing. Unless I have her permission.

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Oh gosh!

I must admit I never even thought about this! I mean I knew not to take photos off anyones site(s) but still....thanks for the info!

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Would this still apply for custom orders that you were emailed pictures of? I suppose so but I just want to make sure. I have used two photos previously that were emailed to me hmmmmm......
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I also wanted to second Lindsay's post.
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Because legally it is theirs. I can't go on to the McDonald's site and use their photographs for something I am selling in hopes to make more money than I bought it for (say collector's item). I can't use their photos on my personal website and vice versa.

So if I have a one of a kind KP and then use Maria's photograph to sell it on Ebay, I am stealing. Unless I have her permission.
But I still think I must be missing something-mommy brain i guess. Why would they care if you use their pictures? How does it harm them? And how would it make you more money to use their pictures?

I am so not trying to be a pita i just don't understand the problem.

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A site, a photograph, as in the photographer mama, a song...is the property of *that* person. Just like with anything you have to *ask* to use it. Maybe not in the instance of someone's blouse, for example, the former items are (not sure about the copyright process, per say) they may be covered by the federal copyright law and copying it would be an enfringement of that law.

In the case of Ebay, some items are in demand and we know the bids go over retail.

Basically, the property, in this case, the website is theirs and they need the courtesy and legally, to grant permission for you to use it.

Its a bit early for me to tackle copyright...am I making sense?
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so it wouldn't be okay to put a link to the website you bought the diaper from?

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so it wouldn't be okay to put a link to the website you bought the diaper from?
No, that's just fine if you are using the link to give the buyer more info on the product/site. But, if you use pictures from said website, then that is stealing. Basically, if you didn't take the picture yourself, it's not yours!

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So is it ok to post photos a wahm took if you arent trying to sell the item? Its still their property right?

But I know we all do that all the time - myself included. I just posted a pic of the custom Luxe set Jesse made me. She took the pic and PMed it to me and I posted it here to share (brag : ). Isnt that still her property?

Or does it not matter because I am not trying to sell the set - just share?
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I'm a little confused too... I must be the only one who has never noticed this kind of misuse?
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Technically it does not matter whether you received the picture in an e-mail, the internet, etc. Whomever owns the picture must give you specific consent to use the image. It is theirs to use as they see fit. I think in most cases misuse of a photograph is innocent but that still does not make it right. I think it is best to err on the side of caution and respect and just ask the WAHM for permission.
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I'm a little confused too... I must be the only one who has never noticed this kind of misuse?
Now that I am thinking about it I see this a LOT here. I think people do it innocently wanting to show off their latest buy but it is still an infringement of copyright/ownership issues when an image is used with express consent of the owner. Prior to this thread, though, I must admit I never thought about the copyright issues. :
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She took the pic and PMed it to me and I posted it here to share (brag ). Isnt that still her property?

Or does it not matter because I am not trying to sell the set - just share?
I am not an expert in copyright law, but I used to work in publishing so I have a little bit of knowledge (maybe just enough to be dangerous).

It is still her property and it it still technically illegal to post it even if all you want to do is share your joy.

However, a copyright holder would not be able to prove damages if you were only sharing, so there would most likely be no legal penalties for such misuse.

If a WAHM sends you a photo in an email, you can always ask if you can post it! She'll probably say yes and everyone will be happy.

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