Mommy to (age 7) and (age 3)
I go through 18 diapers per day per baby so, 36 diapers a day. That figure would NOT change even if I used disposables, i'd be spending MUCH more than that average!
This time around I'll be cd'ing from birth - but have given up on the money saving argument thanks to this board and my inability to stop myself from hanging out on the TP
If you truly do not think cost is a factor, then go with the best option-ENVIRONMENTAL!!!!! It saves the earth, it ensures no funkies in the kids' crotch areas, it treads more gently on our home (planet earth), it follows the whole reduce/reuse/recycle ideology, it is just a good idea! How about cuteness? A cloth bum with phat detailing on the dipes and covers becomes fashion. How cool is that?! High fashion poo catchers! Did I mention no weird chemicals?????? Bah. cloth will always be better to me, so maybe I'm not the mama to ask! Oh, and please tell anyone (from ME!!) that changing less often to save money is just plain gross, and I've got to think, unsanitary! They shouldn't do that to their kids (as per ME)!
I have learned (boy have I learned) that cd'ing is as expensive as you make it. If you HAVE to have the fancy diapers and covers, then you won't be saving much money over sposies. I have learned that ds does not need the fancy diapers and covers, and therefore it is cheaper to put him back in cloth. Pf's are just fine and the jelly roll is great. I'm pretty lucky in that ds is in regular pf's so they are very trim on him. He's just a tinkler though.
He wore Pampers, but I was obsessive about coupons and sales. I'd have to dig out the Money archive from that year for the exact figure, but it was around $800. That includes dipes and wipes.
Originally Posted by phishmama
What are you asking again? Cloth *can* be cheaper, but it can easily go over. If you truly do not think cost is a factor, then go with the best option-ENVIRONMENTAL!!!!! It saves the earth, it ensures no funkies in the kids' crotch areas, it treads more gently on our home (planet earth), it follows the whole reduce/reuse/recycle ideology, it is just a good idea! Oh, and please tell anyone (from ME!!) that changing less often to save money is just plain gross, and I've got to think, unsanitary! They shouldn't do that to their kids (as per ME)!
Mommy to (age 7) and (age 3)
It's funny though, most people assume they only change baby 5 times a day, until they actually "count" and save the diapers in a special seperate trash bag for a full 24 hours.
Now can we count all the diapers that the tabs rip off of?
Can we count the ones that fell on the ground and got wet and are not useable?
What if baby has diarrhea(sp?)?
What about disposable wipes?
Do people even know how many wipes they go thru in a week, month or year?
What about the added increase on your trash bill? Many moms I've met have to add an additional trash can, or two more if they have twins!
What about diaper rash cream? I bought a total of ONE tube that I didn't even use all up in 2 1/2 yrs of diapering. Can other disposable users keep up with that??
Extra trips to the Doctor for really bad rashes cost money for co-pays, etc.
What about all those poopy blow outs????
Everyone wants to know if cloth diapers leak, but their are perfectly happy with the fact that disposables leak poop all over babies clothes all the time???
How many new outfits ruined due to stains from poopy disposable blow-outs do you count?
What about the washing of those poopy stains, detergent, stain remover???
Am I getting too in-depth?
Is this striking a chord with anyone?
These are real costs regardless of the fact that no one mentions them or adds them into the final cost of cloth versus disposie.
The final fact about disposies is that most children in disposies(your may be an exception) do NOT potty train at 2 years old, so those price estimates are bunk.
Many kids don't potty train until 3 1/2, 4 or even 5 years old is quite common. That just throws all of those estimates out the window. Adding another year or 3 to any of those estimates, and you're obviously winning. I havn't met any children in cloth who've not potty trained by 3 at the latest!
Plus those pull-ups and larger size diapers have less in ea package and are about .50 each.
If you use Tushies or any similar kind they are about .50 ea with a coupon or on sale.
What about the health costs to your child long term?
What about to the Environment?
From birth to potty learning (assuming age 3), I would have spent about $1740 on dipes. I converted when ds was 9 months old so I'd spent about $450 on sposies at that point. Subtracting from my total, from conversion to potty learning would have *saved* about $1300 in sposie products. I've easily spent that on cloth. :
HOWEVER, I still have them for child #2!! I've (mostly) curbed my buying addiction, and I'm already set on little sizes, so from now on, I'm diapering for free...even if I do decide to splurge once and a while, I'm still saving money.
Anyway, my point is this: figure out which brand of disposables you would have bought. Count how many CDs you use in a day (subtract probably 2 b/c you just don't change disposables as often); then add up the costs. Just be sure to increase the cost/diaper as your DS/DD grows in the disposables. Most importantly, SET A BUDGET FOR DIAPERS. Don't let yourself overspend b/c that cover is SO cute, unless cost really isn't your only concern. Ask for dipes as gifts, learn to sew, or get patterns for friends/family members who sew.
In my experience, we didn't save anything the first year, will save b/t $300-$500 the second, and all that and more with #2. PLUS, once you know other CDing mamas, you can get hand-me-downs and share if your comfortable with that.
There's my two cents (saved by CDing, I might add)
Jodi -full time working wife to a SAH Papa; mama to my boys Breck (12/04), David (09/07), and Elliot (01/10); always remembering our loss, Jordyn Justine (09/06)
"Now can we count all the diapers that the tabs rip off of?"
This is true, and mighty annoying.
"Can we count the ones that fell on the ground and got wet and are not useable?"
Again, also true, and equally annoying. Also count among these the ones that got the sippy cup or whatnot spilled on them in the diaper bag.
"What about the added increase on your trash bill? Many moms I've met have to add an additional trash can, or two more if they have twins!"
We don't get charged directly for trash pickup, so ours didn't increase. But DH did get tired of bagging up the diaper trash and taking it out to the curb.
"What about diaper rash cream? I bought a total of ONE tube that I didn't even use all up in 2 1/2 yrs of diapering. Can other disposable users keep up with that??"
Yes. DS rarely if ever had rashes in his sposies, and no more so than DD in her cloth.
"Extra trips to the Doctor for really bad rashes cost money for co-pays, etc."
"What about all those poopy blow outs????"
This is true, and also mighty annoying. And it was a nice surprise to me when DD in her cloth never had a blowout. I thought it was a breastmilk poop thing, but it turns out it's a diaper thing. That's definitely been nice!
"How many new outfits ruined due to stains from poopy disposable blow-outs do you count?"
We had blowouts, but no outfits were "ruined". They just got put in the wash with everything else and came out clean.
"What about the washing of those poopy stains, detergent, stain remover???"
Never special-treated poop stains on clothes, so no increase there. And I had to put detergent in the washload anyway so no increase there.
"These are real costs regardless of the fact that no one mentions them or adds them into the final cost of cloth versus disposie."
You bring up some good points. But along with hidden costs, what about:
- wear and tear on my washer and dryer
- increased detergent use to wash the dipes (plus any TTO or vinegar or baking soda or whatever you use)
- increased water usage
- increased energy for washer/dryer
Of course these costs are minimal, but so are many of the costs you bring up with sposies. My point is that there's hidden costs with everything. I didn't covert to cd for cost reasons (either obvious or hidden) but for environmental reasons, and I have no intention to switching back to sposies.
We are planning on using cloth for this next one exclusively. I have a pretty good stash of 55 prefolds, 14 prowraps covers, 24 FBs with inserts, 6 snappis, 40+ cloth wipes, nice pail liners and totes, nice soap and oils for wipe solution, natural detergent, TTO, Lavender, etc. I did get some wipes and doublers and a few prefolds from a friend. Most of my friends who cloth think that what I have is WAY excessive and they laugh at me for it (they aren't on this board :LOL). My mother gave me a cash gift of $500 and I used that for the dipes and shopped the best price. I've probably spent another $100 of my own money in extras (i.e. California Baby Wash for the wipe solution, Bac-Out, containers for the changing table, etc.).
So, definately cheaper to cloth (especially because of Mom!). BUT, our water bill has gone up just getting the dipes ready to wear and I'll need to keep buying detergent but even with those things, it won't be $15 a week. And I know I'll be able to sell my FBs and re-coupe some of the money. Cloth is cheaper if you keep it that way.
And they are so much more fun to organize!
Originally Posted by sarahbay
Many kids don't potty train until 3 1/2, 4 or even 5 years old is quite common. That just throws all of those estimates out the window. Adding another year or 3 to any of those estimates, and you're obviously winning. I havn't met any children in cloth who've not potty trained by 3 at the latest!..
They were a special case though - totally unaware of anything below the waist - could run around for hours with gigantic rocks in their shoes and not notice.
Originally Posted by Cedarmom
I was going thru about 7-8 diapers a day in sposies. I bought name brand but *always* shopped sales and *always* used coupons. From birth to potty learning (assuming age 3), I would have spent about $1740 on dipes.
|We used sposies on my son from birth to pl - a few months shy of three. At the beginning, I used expensive ones, with coupons, but then switched to using LUVs bought at Walmart. On average, I spent about $15 per week, let's say $60 per month. That averages out to about $2,000 plus extra for wipes.|
|if you already know which cloth diapers you love/like, this is easier b/c at first you tend to buy stuff to figure out what you like, then later after you realize the system that works best for you, you could have saved money by buying more of them, instead of what you wasted on ones that now just sit in your drawer.|
Mommy to (age 7) and (age 3)
I've been able to keep my cloth cost wayyyyy under what I ever spent when we used sposies. I just stick with what I know and keep it small.
My biggest thing is the convenience. We live over an hour from town....no more running out of diapers in the middle of the night!
So then I figured even with cheap disposables, I was spending at least $2 a day - with 30 days in the average month - $60 per month - 12 months in a year - a minimum of $720 on disposables. Now I had 2 in diapers up until February so I could double that and $1440 per year if I was diligent about getting things at the lowest cost - $2600 per year to diaper 2 buying premium... either case I have still saved money even with some hyena fluff. Of course it helps to have same sex siblings and start when they are both in mediums... plus I found a wonderful new hobby which IMO is priceless
I switched my daughter at 13 mos to cd. My stash rocks and it cost about $500. I will either save it for my next babe or resell some of it.
Our current system of prefolds and riki wraps worked out at £200 and sposies for 2 years came out at £600 using store brand and bulk buying. That doesn't include wipes. Since we bought almost everything used I think we've spent about £60, DD is 11 months and shows no signs of growing out of anything any time soon.
In terms of hidden costs I end up doing two or three loads of nappies per week. Having used sposies for a weekend away a couple of weeks ago I went through three outfits in the first four changes due to leaks so I think I may still end up with as much washing with sposies
Store brand sposies, wipes and nappy bags for 2.5 years = £700 or $1237
Huggies brand sposies, wipes and nappy bags for 2.5 years = £900 or $1591
Nature babies eco sposies, wipes and bio nappy bags for 2.5 years = £1290 or $2284 (not the most eco sposies in the world but no gel etc)
Moltex Oko eco sposies, eco wipes and bio nappy bags for 2.5 years = £1920 or $3400
I think UK pricing for sposies isnt too different to the US/Canada and its for 6 changes per day. I did not include extra for broken tabs, diaper genies etc. Nor garbage collection. (as its included in your local tax here in the UK however much you pitch)
Cloth is much cheaper!
so many roads to ease my soul...
But I don't cloth diaper to save $$ :LOL so that's not an argument I use at all.
Candace, Married to dh , Mom to ds (8) , Gavin (9/30/10 - 12/19/10) and cautiously expecting our 4-29-12
I didn't get into cding for cost or resale, but I figure I spent about 5-600 on cloth, and after my first attempt at TP selling, lets just say I don't expect to recoup even a fraction of what I spent. What cost me about 50 dollars new I got 15 bucks for after shipping.
(7 days; 4.5 weeks per month)
birth to 3 months: 12-14 diapers a day = 1228 diapers (ish)
3 - 6 months: 9 - 12 diapers a day = 945 dipes
6 - 12 months: 7 - 9 diapers a day = 1512 dipes
12 - 23 months: 5 - 7 diapers a day = 2079 dipes
PLUS: nighttime diapers for 4 more months = 126 dipes
@ .27 per diaper because I insisted on using Huggies Supreme's and Huggies Overnights (never in her entire diapering life did she have a blowout that wasn't a cause of an antibiotic or stomach bug - I swear by those as far as sposie's go) But, I did use a Huggies coupon with nearly every purchase (at least .50 most times $1 off)
GRAND TOTAL = (5,890 diapers) $1590.30
This is not including wipes - and my child pl'd pretty easily and early, but I used top end diapers.
I'm willing to *BET* I spend more in cloth with the next one, but I don't care. When you know better, you DO better, right? I never went generic with sposies, it's just not in me! I think I'll probably break even after resale though....
Julia(34), Mommy to: Maddie(10), Grace(6), Charlotte (3) and our only Little Man (due 2/23).
It's a crazy life!