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homebirthing! And natural living folks. I was at a party and two homebirthing, natural living moms were changing disposables on their kids.

Has anyone else noticed this?

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yes i have a good friend who had both of her girls at home and lives fairly naturally (natural medicine, no vax, but i think her diet isnt the greatest?) uses disposables...she has tried cloth but just cant get used to the bulk.
sorry if this is OT, but is there a very slim CD i can suggest to her?
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Bumkins AIOs are VERRRRRY trim - not super absorbant but VERY trim. (And I've never had one leak - just get TOTALLY soaked inside).

I'm surprised - I was thinking the OP meant the other way - surprised that all CDing moms don't have HBs - but that does surprise me - I can't see being a HB crunchy mama and not CDing.
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Yeah- what I meant was that some moms who have thier babies at home choose to use disposables. I know its a choice... I just was surprised, thinking I'd have someone to talk cds with. I sort of assumed that if you hb'ed you'd also cd- in general, I know there are specific reasons you couldn't in more rare cases.

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Yes, this would have surprised me too before I started attending births. Only 1 single client during my whole apprenticeship has used cloth diapers! Although, I have also learned that people don't always choose homebirth for "natural" reasons anyway.

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I used to notice this at LLL meetings all the time, there were only a few of us that used cloth....
my former midwife was a huge supporter of cloth though--she would always tell her HB mamas-to-be that cloth diapering was best, just like breast is best, not to vax and not to circ...
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My cousin had her two last babies at home, was strong about breastfeeding and is an homeopath (is that how it's called in english) and used sposies. Even worst, when I was babysitting, she told me to change them only if they were poopy
I know she wasn't rich at that time, and maybe she didn't know about cd, so maybe I shouldn't blame her...
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I cloth diaper, but wouldn't have a homebirth, kinda odd to some I'm sure, but there are a couple of reasons. 1. I'm diabetic and would need a c-sec. like I had before (we grow huge babies, hehe) and 2. Although I love the idea of hb, the risks just seem to high to me, what if something, anything, went wrong????

Anyway, just $.02 from someone who's backwards, LOL
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I STILL notice this at LLL meetings all the time, there is ONE other cd momma I have seen there! (and she posts here!!- HI GayleForce!) Though a few of the leaders/helpers recommend em to new mommas!

And MY former midwife was a huge supporter of cloth though--she would always tell her HB mamas-to-be that cloth diapering was best, just like breast is best, not to vax and not to circ... and to eat natural whole foods.
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Although, I have also learned that people don't always choose homebirth for "natural" reasons anyway.

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Interesting! What are some of the other reasons you've come across? I'd always assumed that it's always for natural reasons with everyone.
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That is suprising! However, I have been pleasantly suprised at all my LLL meetings to discover that almost everyone uses cloth.
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I have encountered the same thing especially at LLL. I have a friend who lives naturaly, lotus/home birth, vegetarian, bf, her brother is a chiropracter/Reiki Master. She uses sposies. She is considering switching though. I have loaned her some CPFs to give it a try.

I always figured that if you had a hb you would probably cd. But you might cd w/out having a hb. There are many reasons some people don't have hb such as insurance, medical reasons, fear, ect.
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Yeah- I was in no way thinking everyone should have a home birth. Maybe I worded that wrong ... I have been known to do that LOL

I have a LLL leader friend who used disposables as well. She's in the Midwest. I wonder if LLL members in certain parts of the country are more likely to CD.

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I've noticed it too - but then I think disposables are just so "out there" these days that people dont even realise the alternatives. Like when you go into Target here, there's only one or two packages of terry squares. There's never any covers, they're all just pulled off the hangers and out of thepackages and you cant find the size you want and although the supermarket has hundreds of snappi's there's never any near the nappies in target.

So if you wanted to do cloth here, if you hadnt discovered the wonderful world of the internet, you wouldnt have a hope basically. And like I said the other day, I heard through a company here that makes great covers that the big retailers are actively discouraging people from buying cloth by making it as difficult as possible.

When you think of enormous terry squares, pins, plastic pants and wet pails, even the most "natural" parents are prone to choose disposables.
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I have a LLL leader friend who used disposables as well. She's in the Midwest. I wonder if LLL members in certain parts of the country are more likely to CD.
I am completely amazed at how more "crunchy" Michigan was than where I live in California now. There were a lot of ppl who used cd's there! Lots of midwives, LLL meetings, etc.

I also think that a lot more ppl use cloth than we think. Yes there are actually ppl who use cloth diapers and don't go around singing the praises of cd's. I have known several ppl who used cloth, but I didn't find out until I had known them for a while.
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When you think of enormous terry squares, pins, plastic pants and wet pails, even the most "natural" parents are prone to choose disposables.
Yes- that makes sense. I would be intimidated by the wet pail for sure.

Julie- two guys in my dhs carpools cd'ed their kids-- with pins and prefolds to save money. It is true you don't always hear about it right away.

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I am completely amazed at how more "crunchy" Michigan was than where I live in California now. There were a lot of ppl who used cd's there! Lots of midwives, LLL meetings, etc.
Where do you live? I live in Houghton/Hancock and I only know of a few mama's that cloth- but I lived in Ann Arbor and it was real big down there- but no diaper services- I hear they all went out of business 3 years ago. But I was raised in Washigton and it is real crunch there so I could just be looking at it different.

Anyway back to the topic:

IMO it all goes together BF, CD, Co-Sping AP- but I guess that is just for me and my life. I would think that parents who are enviromental woud also worry about all the disposables but I guess not all do- or maybe they only know the bad stories their parents and grandparents tell them and never looked into the huge options out there now. I bet most have never seen a cute fitted! KWIM?

Also the mass production of sposies has but a bad name on cloth and that is how most people view it- when we tell them we use cloth you always here "you are brave" "that is nasty" "are you poor?" Then I tell them some of my dipes are $15 (such the low end) and they freak but then I remind them that a box of pampers are $17 and that last a week or less- My $15 dipe will last for months if not years and for other babies!


I also second that not all people HB because they are natural- for me it was 2 reasons- one, I believe in homebirth, in women birthing natural, peace for newborns, no shots or bright lights and noise, but I also am totally afraid of hospitals- I got an infection from a hospital and could have died- I was on IV meds for 4 1/2 weeks 2 times a day with an hour prep and an hour treatment and an hour clean up--- all because of a nasty hospital-- But when I had my baby I tried so hard to have her at home after 39 hours of labor and at least 35 of my water being broken I went to the hopital- she was born 1 1/2 hours later.
: But even if I was not I would still want to have a baby at home because I am afraid of getting sick at a hopsital.

Okay getting late and I have gone on my So I will step off for now!

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Where do you live? I live in Houghton/Hancock and I only know of a few mama's that cloth- but I lived in Ann Arbor and it was real big down there- but no diaper services- I hear they all went out of business 3 years ago. But I was raised in Washigton and it is real crunch there so I could just be looking at it different.
I lived in the Kalamazoo area. We had a diaper service for my first when he was a baby before we started using our own dipes. As far as I know the one in Kzoo is still in buisness. Experiencing the total non-crunch here makes me homesick. But I have found a good LLL group, and a couple of the mamas who go are MDC mamas!

Ok, back to your regularly scheduled posting, lol.
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Its funny. I live in Southern Callifornia. I always thought this was the crunchiest place ever. Well, Oregon is pretty crunchy, too.

My midwife wasn't in the least surprised that I CD. Many of her mamas do. She was even the person who introduced me to Elimination Communication. One of her HB mamas is quite the EC advocate.

Also, now that I am becoming a WAHM, all these people I've known for years say "Oh yeah, I CDed all of my babies" and I never even knew!

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No one around here CDs. They all think I am crazy. I do know a few who HB, but have never seen anything like my CDs.

I was really suprised by the moms in my Homeschool group. LOTS of them are all about natural living, grinding their own wheat, never eat anything prepackaged, grow their own veggies, limit medications period, no vaxing, etc.......but I have heard many of them say that they only change their babies sposies if they are poopy.

With ds#1, I only changed his sposie about every 4 hours unless he was poopy, but I knew nothing about the chemicals in sposies or about CDS. But, those mommas are all about NATURAL, so it suprises me that they stop at diapers. I was even showing one of the VERY natural mommas my ME Sandys and AFs when Camden was itty bitty. She looked at them and said that she tried prefolds and wraps at one point, but that she did not have the time with 6 kids to mess with the extra laundry. I really do not see that it makes much more laundry for us, but oh well.
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I am always surprised at the number of "organic" folk who balk at cloth diapering. And at the same crunchy eaters who cringe at the thought of mama cloth.

If they only knew! Easy, economical, environmental. . . comfy!
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I think that there are all combinations of parenting/living choices out there. I CD and BF but didn't HB and I'm not good about recycling nor do we live a 'natural' lifestyle. I CD for the money (but I do have to admit that if we had the $ to change that choice I would just get some really cute dipes not switch to sposies - that's thanks mostly to you mamas!). I BF because it's what I believe is best for my kids - as well as I didn't want MIL to be able to feed them! I have a friend that HB but does sposies and doesn't particularly (sp?) live a 'natural' life. I'm very active in my local LLL and not many CD and those that do don't advertise it.

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When we lived near Lancaster PA, I was shocked when we'd go in the grocery store or walmart and see the amish/mennonite women carrying out packages of sposies to their buggies :

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Wow - that's really interesting to me. I'm sort of the opposite. I happily breastfed and am now getting into cd'ing. I'm not into the idea of homebirthing though (nothing wrong with it) because

A) here we have to pay for a midwife but a doctor is covered by provincial health plan and

B) I was perfectly comfortable in the hospital and my doc is very flexible and easy to work with.

I'm surprised though that anyone who does homebirthing etc would choose disposables. Unless maybe they aren't really into the internet and the local choices in cloth weren't great?

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Interesting! What are some of the other reasons you've come across? I'd always assumed that it's always for natural reasons with everyone.
Well, sadly, after wanting a natural birth we have had more clients have a homebirth for money reasons than anything else. Fear of hospitals is not far behind not having insurance. I was pretty surprised when I realized this...

I have only met one other LLL person who cd'd.

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When we lived near Lancaster PA, I was shocked when we'd go in the grocery store or walmart and see the amish/mennonite women carrying out packages of sposies to their buggies :

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When we lived near Lancaster PA, I was shocked when we'd go in the grocery store or walmart and see the amish/mennonite women carrying out packages of sposies to their buggies :
Not to mention carrying out cr@ppy plastic toys (of which I will admit to having many), cases of soda (again, mea culpa) and smoking! I have been so shocked by what I thought the Amish were about, compared to what I have seen since I moved here to PA.
LOL, I was just thinking to myself, I hope I don't offend any Amish people, but then it occured to me that there aren't a lot of Amish on-line, LOL
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To keep this on topic, I would be very surprised to meet a homebirther that didn't CD. I think if you have that kind of dedication to a natural lifestyle, then CDing would be an obvious choice! Not to imply that I homebirthed - I had pretty much the opposite experience but all is well that ends well!
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How interesting! I guess what it all boils down to is what is out there and available. My sis had hb for both her girls (#1 actually born in hosp after 42 hr labor) and sposied her first and is doing cd on her baby now. Her midwife for the first didn't ask/offer/tell her how to get any (back in 95) and so she sposied. This midwife sells cd's so was able to offer her them w/out shopping online. Sis is a vegan/natural livin mama. I had two hosp. births because in the area I live there isn't much else available. And the financial end of the bargain played a big part. I am not a vegan but live as natural as our income allows (another vent is why does eating healthy cost more if you buy it all???? no wonder why so many ppl are sicker than dogs!) I bf because its best - I sposied ds #1 not having any other options at the time. I sposied ds #2 for the first 4 months and am now cd-ing - for many reasons. Its better for him, environment, etc. and also the cheapness is a bonus. But you all know the benefits

I can't believe the amish.... well, then again I guess I can. I suppose convenience wins in the long run no matter how strong your beliefs may be.

Who knows? its all a matter of personal choice and how far you are willing to go to make your life easier/harder or what you concider to be necessary.

Ok I feel like I'm rambling now....

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Though it is surprising to hear about the Amish buying sposies, I must admit that if I had no electricity, and therefore, no washing machine, cloth diapering would be a much less attractive option.

Whew. That was a major league run on sentence. Sorry. I need to go to bed!

edited for spelling, but nothing else

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Though it is surprising to hear about the Amish buying sposies, I must admit that if I had no electricity, and therefore, no washing machine, cloth diapering would be a much less attractive option.

Whew. That was a major league run on sentence. Sorry. I need to go to bed!

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Good point!

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