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The Diapering board seems to be spam-free 32 100.00%
I occasionally suspect a post of being spam 90 100.00%
I often see spam on the Diapering board 7 100.00%
Some members spam for each other or for their friends 78 100.00%
Let the boards be spammed - it doesn't bother me!! 51 100.00%
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Old 10-17-2003, 10:43 PM
 
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I have to say that I have found this group to be a wonderful source of information. I had never heard of Calgon water softener, but have a hard water problem, so I grabbed some from the store and have been using it since. I never thought of trimming my prefolds, didn't think a snappi could possibly be easy to use, and even had inspiration from a post about silk and the bad things about it.

This group is great, and we can learn many, many things from sticking around here. I am very impressed. I have even learned a ton about wool that I didn't know!

I've had fun seeing pics of babes in cute covers, and reading stories about diaper successes and woes.

I really think this group is IT.... it's perfect the way it is. I wouldn't change a thing, but maybe continue to add more mamas.

I'm really happy to be here... I just had to say that. I've been too sappy lately, I know.

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I have to say that I have found this group to be a wonderful source of information. I had never heard of Calgon water softener, but have a hard water problem, so I grabbed some from the store and have been using it since. I never thought of trimming my prefolds, didn't think a snappi could possibly be easy to use, and even had inspiration from a post about silk and the bad things about it.

This group is great, and we can learn many, many things from sticking around here. I am very impressed. I have even learned a ton about wool that I didn't know!

I've had fun seeing pics of babes in cute covers, and reading stories about diaper successes and woes.

I really think this group is IT.... it's perfect the way it is. I wouldn't change a thing, but maybe continue to add more mamas.

I'm really happy to be here... I just had to say that. I've been too sappy lately, I know.

nak - yes, again!

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I just wanted to say I hear ya on the cliche thing. I also see you're point about the advertising...
On a fifferent note...I remember the first auction of your covers I ever saw. I posted it on MDC. I think they are beautiful, and wish I could afford one.
Aww thanks!
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This is how I see it:

(1) Some people routinely post "X store is stocked" or "look at this auction" because it's how they share the joy-- not to increase sales for a friend. Doesn't bother me.

(2) Some people (like me) love a product so much that they get to know the WAHM (multiple orders) and become friends to varying degrees. In this case, the admiration for the product has preceeded the friendship, so I consider it to be a more unbiased review of the product. However, even if it were the other way around, I think we all ultimately use what works for us/buy from someone reputable, and if it didn't, we just wouldn't recommend the product even if the maker/seller were a friend. So, I tend to trust reviews regardless of the friendship aspect.

(3) I LOVE the siggys with advertising. It's so much easier for me to see the latest product or find out about a sale this way versus looking through all the ads of the Daily Diaper. Sure, it's spam, but it's PAID spam, which supports MDC. Win-win situation.

Overall, I think the MDC diapering board is run very fairly, and considering that one of the major aspects of this topic "is" shopping, the unruly spam is kept very well at bay.

Edited to say, I love your covers, too, Sherry, and wish I needed a soaker!

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here's an example & a question:
okay, no example bcz I'm not supposed to remark about other threads or posts...so...

let's say there was a thread called...um... "who doesn't charge tax?" The OP wants to know to help with her diaper buying decisions. Can't a WAHM respond herself to that? it's a legitimate request for info, right?

IMO, from the MDC point of view, all WAHMs should pay a little something bcz the biz they can generate here is pretty good. Then they wouldn't have to unspam or psuedospam. This is like a permanent booth @ a craft fair & that costs $, yk? Instead of having it be an option, make it a requirement to pay for your sig. or no talking about your dipes at all. Well, I have no idea how much it costs for that, just brainstorming, don't hate me all you wonderful WAHMs!

As far as policing the "friends" thing, if someone is posting solely about how great BoozyButts are, *never* posting anywhere else or contributing anything helpful, then just boot 'em, what did we lose?

T sorry I keep reposting, but this is very interesting to me. Plus I am trying not to go order some custom diapers. Ever hear the saying "if you keep hanging out at the Barber shop, you're gonna get a haircut?" Oops, I think I'm gonna get a haircut!
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I'm a picture freak. When I purchase a new diaper for Kenny I immediately take a picture and want to come and post it here on the boards. There are hardly any IRL people that understand my strange passion for wonderful cloth diapers and covers, BUT YOU GUYS DO! I have never considered that to be spamming.

Now, if 'x' momma sent me 'x' diaper to put on Kenny's bum with a specific directive to post a picture at MDC in exchange . . . THAT would be spammish, but the only person that would know about it would be 'x' momma and me. And so, I understand LifeTapestry's comment that it would be difficult to police and there could be wrong assumptions going either way.

The same applies for favorite diapers. I have favorite diapers and I have favorite covers. I regularly will encourage newbies to try a specific cover and if I see an auction or get a new diaper/cover from one of those few stores, I come here and rave about it. Since I am paying for these diapers and covers I feel free to do so. If however, there was an understanding that I was getting a free diaper in return for spamming . . . that would be wrong.

But then, one must consider 'tester' diapers. Many mommas here at MDC start up their own diapering business after becoming crazed hyenas and they may send out a few diapers/covers for free to get a feel for how their diaper fits different babies. And as the first time tester of 'said' diaper I might feel inclined to post a picture and explain what I truly like about the diaper and because, as another member has mentioned, I prefer to support MDC mommas. But even when I try new diapers I still find I have my favorites. For instance, Firefly diapers - I love them - they fit Kenny absolutely perfectly - and so, I have a tendency to encourage mommas that boast of chunkmeisters like my Kenny. I am encouraged that if they try the FF diaper, they'll get a perfect fit and be happy like I am. No kickbacks from Lori (I assure you) in that arena, but the joy of having shared.

With all that said, I am frustrated when I see two WAHMs in what seems like a repeated exchange of 'support' for each other's businesses. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with what they purchased, etc. . . but instead, "Oh, Bubble-Bum Diapers carry those" or "Bubble-Bums is having a Baker's Dozen Sale." If it was just once, I wouldn't notice it, but when it is repetitive it becomes obvious to regular members. I have often directed members to a WAHM's site that even carries the same items we do because I was out of stock or they are offering 'free shipping' on all items whereas I do not. To me, this is just a community favor - networking, so to speak. BUT AGAIN . . . it is so very hard to KNOW intent. Because really, in a situation like that I am doing it to help both the member AND the WAHM.

Regarding being sensitive to new members who spam, I definitely agree that tactfulness is a good approach. However, I would not be offended as a new member if someone PM'ed me - as Lauren suggested - to direct me to the guidelines. I would probably RACE to edit my post in such a situation. I am often confused how someone can join a community without understanding/reviewing the guidelines. I have a tendency to want to know what is expected of me in my involvement within a community - because I might not agree with it and therefore, not desire to be an active member.
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As for WAHMs being able to name their own dipes in "What's in your stash?" threads or favorite diapers threads. It would be OK if MamaA maker of XYZ Dipes said, "I have ABC Dipes, TUV Dipes and XYZ Dipes." It would NOT be OK to say, " I only use XYZ dipes, which I make." Do you see the difference? I understand that it is a fine line but I think that most people can see the difference.
I am going to have to claim totally : on this one, wouldn't it be WORSE for a WAHM (that makes XYZ diapers) to list her stash of XYZ diapers and NOT disclose that she was the WAHM that made them? I mean I think everyone knows the name of my business, and when I list my stash I list the diapers/soakers I have made myself, sometimes I list them as 'my business name' diapers or soakers or whatever, sometimes I just list them as homemade diapers or soakers or whatever. But I do also include that I made those diapers and that is why I have so many or whatever. So isn't it a little sneaky for someone to list what they have (or love) and not disclose that they are the WAHM that makes them?

If I am understanding what you were trying to say, maybe you meant that it is fine for her to list the diapers that she has-listing them by name, but not okay for her to draw attention to the fact that she makes them? if that is the case then I am guilty of that one, I just figured it was only fair to let people know that the reason I had so many of that brand is because they are essentially free to me, LOL there by kinda discounting my review of them because it is totally biased? (at least that was how I viewed it-) a self review anything other than the straight facts of what a diaper is (3 layers of this 2 of that lined with this) from a WAHM about her own diaper is basically useless to me. Because, frankly I can't see a WAHM that wouldn't like her diapers best? I mean why would you make a diaper that you didn't LOVE? wouldn't the diaper you make be your basic dream diaper? which is why there are so many different diapers because we all have different favorites and different loves? So of COURSE a WAHM is going to love her own diapers, they are what she looks for in general in a diaper right? (not that we don't love to try out other things)

From now on in stash threads if I choose to post I will list only the brand names of my diapers. I am sorry I have broke that spam line!
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I think I should be allowed to say what products I used, even if they happen to be mine. Though I choose to say "I really like the diapers I make" I would think that falls under the rules since I dont say "I really like ______ diapers"
It's true, I am afraid to talk about products I love because I work with that WAHM on my site- even if I don't carry that particular product, I am afraid it will be read as spam since I carry something of theirs, or if I say xyz insert is more absorbant than abc insert, even if I carry both I am afraid someone will post after me that I suck and am a spammer, when I really just want to state my opinion. I think part of that is because I have seen people get torn apart for perceived and actual spamming. I don't feel like I have to walk on eggshells because of overmoderating, i feel like I have to walk on eggshells because somone might follow up my post with a nasty note. The worst part is, even if I edit my post, they won't, so their nasty comment would be below mine, even if everything was all cleared up.

I really think the nasty notes after spam or perceived spam should be edited as well, and mods who are on the lookout for spam should be on the lookout for those kinds of posts too. I recently saw one, and it's sharp tone made me wince.

Once a member misunderstood an OP in a post in another forum. She attacked the OP and was way out of line, IMO. I called her on it in the thread and when she edited her posts, I edited mine so that once the misunderstanding was cleared up, no one would think bad stuff about her.

I don't think the boards are overmoderated, I think that there is a good balance here. I do think that spam is pretty well under control- if we see it, it gets edited right away, what more can you do?

Also, the idea about all WAHMs having mandatory paid links in their sig- That is SO unfair! What if I were a diaper wahm and I didn't want to pay for advertising here? I would not be interested in coming to a boards that I could be kicked off of for not paying just because I made or sold dipes. I don't think that we should pay to spam either, our sig line advertising should be enough. I think the sig line advertisign is really tasteful and nice, but if I chose not to have it, I shouldn't have to censor myself. I mean shot, since I became a WAHM I have to censor myself enough as it is.

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With all that said, I am frustrated when I see two WAHMs in what seems like a repeated exchange of 'support' for each other's businesses. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with what they purchased, etc. . . but instead, "Oh, Bubble-Bum Diapers carry those" or "Bubble-Bums is having a Baker's Dozen Sale."
I always say stuff like that baout my fave WAHMs, I want them to do well, since they have served me so well with great products. I agree it would be hard to police, since I think the mojority have good intentions.

Anyway, I like things the way they are. :LOL Pretty conservative for a liberal like me!
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OK I would like to address a few issues here and dispel some myths.

Many of you have mentioned posting links to auctions on Ebay(not your own) and mentioning WAHM stockings (that sounds cute, doesn't it?) and are concerned about it being considered spam. We (the moderators and administrators) do NOT view this as spam.
What we consider spam is
a.) a WAHM posting links to her store/auctions.
b.) a WAHM blatantly drawing attention to her product (see below).
c.) a WAHM posting with the sole purpose of gaining revenue from the members here(without wanting to be part of the community).
I'm confused. In Cynthia's initial post, she said the concern was about "covert spam" in terms of a friend spamming the board to help another friend. Is that not the concern anymore?
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However, we have also noticed what seems to be repetitive covert spam by some members on behalf of others.
Sorry, I didn't know how to do two quotes in one post. I don't think WAHMs spamming themselves is a big problem -- most people are pretty low key and follow the rules. I think the covert spamming is a bigger problem.

But I do love this board. And we will never reach a point where everyone is happy with everything. So I'm going to be quiet now.
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Marnie and others . . . there really isn't a 'spam' line with regards to the "Name Your Favorites." In the past, I have seen WAHMs just not respond to those threads, because as you said, THEIR diapers ARE their favorite (it is the reason they sew diapers - they feel they have found a better way). It is much easier for WAHMs that retail (not sew) diapers to list diapers that they 'sell,' than those that 'sew and sell.' Geez . . . speaking of intricacies in wording.

Example: (This is not spam, I swear :LOL ). Okay, my favorite everyday cover is the Whisper Pant. It has always been - since before I knew anyone else cloth diapered ag - and yes, my business sells them. However, when I list that Kenny has (6) Medium Whisper Pants no one thinks "Ummmmm . . . Heather is spamming herself." Well, I don't *think* that is considered. However, if, say . . . I was the MAKER of the Whisper Pant, it would seem that I was spamming to some. Though as we can see in this thread - perceptions vary widely and wildly!

It seems that it is only fair that WAHMs that sew and sell can respond as well to these threads, but not in a spamming nature. Just listing them with the name-brand would be sufficient, because if someone goes looking for them, they'll see it is of your design. But to say, "Well, I prefer the 'Handy-High-Rise Diaper' that we SELL in our STORE" . . . then the perception is that a WAHM is doing more than just answering the question.

But I really think this poll has less to do with how WAHMs individually handle their spam and more with spam agreements between friends/stores/WAHMs - am I getting this right? I really think that as individuals in our own businesses, that the WAHMs that are active/post here are relatively respectful overall of the non-spam policy.
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Sorry, I didn't know how to do two quotes in one post. I don't think WAHMs spamming themselves is a big problem -- most people are pretty low key and follow the rules. I think the covert spamming is a bigger problem.

But I do love this board. And we will never reach a point where everyone is happy with everything. So I'm going to be quiet now.
This is what I'm getting from the OP as well.
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ITA with everything Heather said in both her posts
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I don't post as often as I should, but I like the fact that this board is full of spam all the time. I too have posted an auction of what I thought was a really cute diaper and was in no way meaning it was spam.

Having said that though, I really like getting recommendations from the mamas here. I think it is fine to say, well I bought such and such as so and so's site. I think that is what makes this such a great community and one of the reason I come here. (Too find the really cute and good dipes!) I think that this board is great even with the little bit of spam I have seen.

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The whisper Pant, huh Heather??

Don't you sell that in your store? You spammer, you.
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Marnie and others . . . there really isn't a 'spam' line with regards to the "Name Your Favorites." In the past, I have seen WAHMs just not respond to those threads, because as you said, THEIR diapers ARE their favorite (it is the reason they sew diapers - they feel they have found a better way). It is much easier for WAHMs that retail (not sew) diapers to list diapers that they 'sell,' than those that 'sew and sell.' Geez . . . speaking of intricacies in wording.

I guess I am weird cause my favourite diapers are not my own diapers........LOL! I am like the shoemaker who sells beautiful shoes to everyone but does not have any shoes to wear. I am not sure why I am this way but say lavee, oblagee oblagon life goes on.
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The whisper Pant, huh Heather??

Don't you sell that in your store? You spammer, you.
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Phbbbbthhhh ag :LOL

I love that I can always count on Lauren for sarcasm! :LOL
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I guess I am weird cause my favourite diapers are not my own diapers........LOL! I am like the shoemaker who sells beautiful shoes to everyone but does not have any shoes to wear. I am not sure why I am this way but say lavee, oblagee oblagon life goes on.
And Kathleen, there are a couple of WAHMs that are REALLY, REALLY happy about this! :LOL
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I love that I can always count on Lauren for sarcasm!
I don't know what you're talking about, I have never been sarcastic in my life!

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But then, one must consider 'tester' diapers. Many mommas here at MDC start up their own diapering business after becoming crazed hyenas and they may send out a few diapers/covers for free to get a feel for how their diaper fits different babies. And as the first time tester of 'said' diaper I might feel inclined to post a picture and explain what I truly like about the diaper and because, as another member has mentioned, I prefer to support MDC mommas.
Shouldn't something like this be in the Diapering review or the Daily Diaper?
Tester could always post in one of those places and Start a thread in the main forum saying "Look at my review on this new diaper in Diapering Reviews"
After writing that and reading it to myself it still sounds like that fine spam line is there but at least the actual review would be in the right sub-forum, right?
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Shouldn't something like this be in the Diapering review or the Daily Diaper?
Now THAT is a good point!
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I'm glad Heather was online last night, looooooooooooooong after I went to bed.

Sharon, I brought up the part of what is considered spam because I felt as though a lot of people were getting nervous and wanted to make it clear that it was NOT the issue. Yes the covert spam is also an issue. If Heather came here and started talking about the store her best friend was opening and posted once a week what special she was running, that would be covert spam. I think we would probably just ban her though, she's not really liked around here anyway.
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I think we woud probably just ban her though, she's not really liked around here anyway.










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The only thing "spammish" that I have seen and seemed to stuck out at me was when someone posts something like : " ______ Is open now!!" with an accompanying link.
Other than that I have not noticed anything.
It doesn't bother me though, but I think it is kind of obvious the person is spamming.

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I've only purchased from two WAHMs. Both are MDC members. One I knew was a member, one I did not until after the sale.

Chances are, the next time I make a purchase it will be from a MDC WAHM because of all the positive posts about them and their products. Who needs to go elsewhere?

If I learn from this board that a certain WAHM has great diapers, great customer service and is a hell of a nice person to boot, all the more reason to support them. I'd much rather put money in the pocket of sometime I know to be kind and caring than someone I've never heard of.

And frankly, I think it's nice that WAHMs support each other instead of trying to "steal" business from one another. I'd rather see some random spam than a WAHM saying that another WAHM's product blows.
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Thank you all for your votes and your input. There have been many very good suggestions made which we appreciate. I would like to address a few things mentioned that I thought were excellent points, some in need of clarification and reiterated as a reminder. Sorry for the length but I think these are important issues to cover.

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nasty comments in threads when there is spam
We have seen this and yes, agree that it should not be occurring. What should happen is this: ignore it on the board but report it to the moderators. Let us handle it. That's the rules of the board anyway - to not take things into your own hands but rather to report it so we may do so. If a person were to post and ask about spam it would be fine for a member to point her to the rules and tell her about our spam policies. But general spammy posts should simply be reported. I think Lauren's way of PMing the newbie to say welcome and let her know spam is not cool here is fine also and a very nice thing to do. And this:

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I really think the nasty notes after spam or perceived spam should be edited as well, and mods who are on the lookout for spam should be on the lookout for those kinds of posts too. I recently saw one, and it's sharp tone made me wince.
Yes, posts made in comment to spam should be edited out as well and I'll remind the moderators to make sure that happens or to remove the posts.


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I have often seen posts where it is obvious to me that someone is posting for someone else and it's spam. It doesn't actually bother me though, because I am free to check out the site or not, free to buy or not.
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i am a big girl and can make up my own mind about what to buy even if i am spammed (ok i do need you all to tell me it is a good idea, lol). this board is quite rigid with it's rules about spam and about posting. i still love it and all, but it is a little intimidating.
Very true but we have quite a different position. The boards are, by general rule, spam free and we strive to keep them that way. The Diapering board is by far our challenge, due to its very nature of discussing and sharing info about products, so we often struggle with the spam issue. Why is spam such a big concern? It is a fact that the majority of the revenue that comes into the community chest and the board advertising comes from WAHMs. While we protect no one WAHM in particular through the enforcement of our spam policies we do protect MDC in making sure that members advertise their goods and businesses through our permitted advertising - business signature advertising, The Daily Diaper, WAHM Connect, banner ads, and auctions.

Those of you who have been members since September of last year may remember Peggy O'Mara's call for help here on the boards. Mothering, not a cash cow by any means, was struggling financially and MDC was under threat of closure because there simply wasn't enough money to go around to justify the expense of running it. The community was asked to help in whatever way they could - Community Chest donations and advertising were the new additions to the boards then as fundraissing projects to keep MDC open and free for us all. The advertising flopped terribly because, as WAHMs told us, it was not worth the expense to advertise when so many others were getting free advertising through their posts and that of members out to help them spread their word for them. That was the wake up call for us that Diapering needed a close look which resulted in stricter spam guidelines. Once we did that and opened up paths for sincere raves (and rants), our reputation against spam became known and respected, the Diapering board became an extremely popular hangout AND a great place to advertise. This has contributed greatly to MDC's continued existence. While we still are challenged to make ends meet every month and we are facing increasing expenses in the form of a direly needed upgrade we are far better off than we were this month last year and often come close to self sufficiency in creating revenue and paying for the board expenses. We tip our hats to the WAHMs who have chosen to legitimately advertise here at MDC and we must be diligent in preventing those who do not do so from using the board inappropriately for their own advertising benefit or that of others.

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if someone asks who sells blah blah blah, I think it is fine for the seller to reply saying they do.
Our guidelines are that a WAHM can reply by PM to that person. Why? Because posting to say I sell this or that, even when she did not initiate the thead, is advertising when it comes from the WAHM herself so the line drawn is very clear and across the board. Even those who pay for advertising are not permitted to post in this manner. While a member could respond to say "Oh, you can get that from babybutts.com" a WAHM should not, whether a paying advertiser or not. And a member should not do it diligently to help advertise for a WAHM, which is why you'll often see some of the members say "You can get it from W, X, Y or Z.com". It keeps things balanced and conveys their intention to share info, not promote one WAHM.

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who doesn't charge tax?" The OP wants to know to help with her diaper buying decisions. Can't a WAHM respond herself to that? it's a legitimate request for info, right?
Same thing. The WAHM can do so privately by PM as the request to be spammed was made by the poster. But spamming one's biz or product on the board is not permitted. So to PM it goes.


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There are a lot of auction links, with someone saying "Look at how cute this auction is!" or "Why doesn't anyone buy this?"
This is one of the things we are seeing and keeping a close eye on. It is very very difficult to tell when it is spam for a WAHM friend and when it is just a sincere "Oooh look what I found" which is entirely innocent and a fun part of sharing on the boards (like WickidaWitch mentioned herself doing which is welcomed and not being criticized). We really don't want to get into the business of judging people's intentions and underlying reasons. But we are seeing it a repetitive practice by a few members posting for the same WAHMs and something we must address privately with them. We will not be placing any further stringency in our policies though. No worries there.

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There are people right now with auction links in their signatures, and that drives me nuts. I'm not sure if that's against the rules, as it appears as if they've paid the advertising fee to have a link to their business in the signature, but I've also noticed additional ebay auction links in these same people's signatures. I consider that to be spam.
If their business is auction based and they have paid for a signature advertising package then it is okay. If you report it we'll check it out.

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Okay my main concern with this kind of 'rule' is how to tell what is spam and what isn't? I, for instance have a newsletter that informs people of sales/stocking/auctions and such, subscribed to the newsletter are friends, customers, and customers I consider friends now. If I were to announce by newsletter that I was having a sale on such and such and one of my 'friends' were to post about it here, would that be spam? I usually include a snippet about sharing the word in my newsletter but don't ask them to post here (or anywhere) about it. I figure if people like the product enough they will talk about it in their own time, but how would anyone know if it were just posted of someones free will or if it was 'spam'? Since it isn't the WAHM posting it, it would be very difficult to seperate the two without banning all linking to deals or whatever.
We can't really know. But if it were a repetitive thing - if a member regularly posts to announce your info then yes, we'd ask for it to stop. It is advertising for you on a regular basis. That's a bit different than one of your newsletter readers coming across a special you're offering this month that excites her and telling her friends here about it.

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I have had friends that when talking to them about something come straight away and post it to every diapering board the can find, I haven't asked them to do this, but they spam it for me because they 1)like the products (they all have quite a few of my things and 2)they think they are helping spread the word and boosting sales. This isn't something I personally should be punished for now is it? Not to mention I have found that that type of spam doesn't seem to work at all. What works as far as boosting sales is having good product, having good customer service and well my Signature advertising has helped a lot as well.
Just on the face of things it does appear to be spam for you by your friends. YOU wouldn't be to blame for it, But if we came to know that a WAHM had encouraged it, asked for it, or otherwise contributed to it being done we'd want to talk to her about that and ask her friends to refrain from such posting. If we see it occuring with regular devotion by a particular member we will question it with the member privately.

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Well, now I am starting to wonder if what I post is spam.

I like to find new wahms and try their products... it's an obsession of mine. I also give them feedback about what I thought of their products....

So, I have recommended their products here too. Of course, I like the wahm... I have given them feedback, so we have emailed back and forth. And, my intention of posting about them is usually for two reasons... so that others can find other products out there, and to help my fellow wahms get their name seen. If I like their products, should I not mention their name?
In general, yes. It is fine to mention their name and the product that you like so much in the context of a discussion. But we do have a responsibility to take note of what we see as repetitive spam by the same member. Why? Because the boards are not meant to be used as free advertising for WAHMs and if your intention is to advertise for her then you are stepping into what we regard as spam. While we tend to be very laid back about this because the Diapering board is so much about sharing info we also have to keep in mind that some posts are with a promotional intent. If you really want to help the WAHM get her name out there do it in a legitimate way that benefits her and MDC - take out a signature ad for a month or 3 or 12 and advertise for her. Post positively for her in the Diapering Reviews. Encourage her to advertise here for herself.

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If I have tried another WAHMs product and I like it, why in the world wouldn't I want to tell everyone else what a great experience I had? I think it's too bad you can't spam your own auctions, because sometimes there are well over 1000 diaper listings! It's hard to get your stuff noticed when there are so many auctions to wade through...
You could do so quite appropriately in Diapering Reviews. A member can advertise her auctions (if that is her business venue) by paying for a sig advertisement and posting as a contributing member of the community. But to place it on the boards as a new thread or in a thread of disccussion with the intention to spam members and get the word out for a WAHM friend is inappropriate and entirely against our rules. As one member said: "I look to the Daily Diaper if I want to see direct from the WAHM promotion." And don't forget the Mothering Auctions. We place a banner for the donator in the banner rotation to advertise her donation as well as the advertising she is permitted in the auction listing for her item. It is a very good way for an up and coming WAHM to get noticed for the cost of an item donation.


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I believe great service and great products will in time help spread the word. BUT if you can't reach people how can that happen??? I would love to be able to reply to a post asking for spam about a product that I do make or sell. But then again I see the point of having to pay for a sig and then wondering about those that do not but will still post to those spam requests. Kinda not right for those that have paid for the sig package. So I am kida torn. I love the lack of spam but also at times I think for buyers and consumers it would benefit for a bit of rule tweaking..
If someone posts asking for spam the appropriate response for a WAHM is to reply by PM. That addresses the member's request for info and serves the WAHM in gettting the message to the person but at the same time keeps her within our rules. So you can reply, just not on the board.


I do apologize if my opening post created concern and confusion. We do not have any intention of tightening our rules (though we may clarify some of them a bit further so that they are better understood) and we are looking at our application of them and wanted your input so we could see things through your eyes. Often the rules are vague and do not specifically address each and every situation. We have the task of making decisions about some things that do not have an exact rule or guideline. We want to be balanced in doing so and we thank you for sharing and helping us through your comments.

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I don't have time to read this entire thread so if I'm repeating or bringing up a moot point, please forgive.

I promote the same WAHMs all the time. Why? Because I'm cloth diapering for the first time and haven't bought from several different people. So, those I have purchased from and have been pleased with are the ones I mention over and over. Should I not contribute if I'm just going to say thisone.com and thatone.com again? If I'm not a personal friend of a WAHM, how is this harmful? If I've been burned by a popular WAHM and have found one that I really think could be the next big thing, should I not post praise and links to the new one? (For me, that's much more constructive than discussing my disappointment in everyone else's #1 love.)

This board directly discusses products. I don't think it's unreasonable to see advertising in this forum. I believe this is a slippery slope. If I'm in a group of people talking about a product and someone pipes up, "I make those", I don't think I'd be offended. I certainly wouldn't scream "SPAMMER!" and pop 'em in the nose.

The "check out this auction" and "storeABC stocks today!" threads are the ones I'm most likely to open in my limited amount of time here. I love the auction posts. The threads challenging mamas to find new and lesser known WAHMs are my favorites.

All in all, I really don't see spam in the diapering forum. (Okay, maybe that one time, but I pm'ed the new member and gently let her know that didn't fly here. She's an active and positive spam-free member here now. ) I realize I don't read as much as many others do, but I'd leave it as is. If you cut out links to this and links to that, I may never find anything new or exciting. That would be a disappointment.

ETA: Wow, I can't believe the numbers on the poll. I must be immune to spam because I just don't see it. :
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I don't believe another rule is needed and if implemented, would have many more negative consequences than perhaps a few SPAM posts.

Karla

Karla, I you took the words right out of my mouth. Everything in yuor post was exactly what I would have said. I myself am not a WAHM yet, am working on it. But I have alot of respect for the ladies who are. I think that if we cannot talk here about the products others make, and how we feel about them, then there isn't much left to talk about, when it comes to CD. JMO

But also, I do agree that there is a point where people need to just realize that they are breaking rules. It's hard to discern what is SPAM and what is not. I personally MDC, and don't really feel this is an overly spammed board by any means. I've been to some where you have to weed through to find a real post, because there is so much SPAM, but I think that is not the case here.

MDC has been a place I have learned to come to to find out anything I need regarding almost any aspect of my life. The people here are wonderful, it's a terrific resource.

Just my 2 cents....lol maybe more like a quarter but..
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I like things the way they are...

I'm absolutely positive of only one instance of covert spam, although I've suspected others, it happened to be on behalf of a new WAHM that had no reviews yet on her auctions, and when I purchased something from her, and paid via paypal she had (0) after her name, which I think means she hadn't had any paypal transactions either? Anyway, she sure did have about five people (new members, I might add) over here raving repeatedly about her products, when it appeared I was one of her first ever customers! Then it turned out the product wasn't so great after all, but those same five or so people were still repeatedly posting glowing reviews (yeah, like the one I bought was the only one to fall apart so soon?: ). Even if the product had been the best thing since sliced bread, I wouldn't do any more business with this person just on the principle of the matter.
Then, when I had the nerve to post what I honestly thought of the product (with no mention of the shady spam posts on her behalf), she sent me a nasty email about it!


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If it was just once, I wouldn't notice it, but when it is repetitive it becomes obvious to regular members.
And that's when we should just take it into our own hands to not support such businesses! Simple as that, just don't visit their websites or order products from these people. Or if we are truly offended, pm a moderator, and let them deal with it.
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