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#31 of 51 Old 01-08-2003, 10:35 PM
 
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I'm still having trouble getting "whole" poops. DD is 15 days old today! and she goes about 2-4 times a day. But she takes FOREVER to go. We're talking 10 minutes. Start and stop, start and stop... And now she's decided that she doesn't like being held while she goes. What to do?!

No, I haven't even tried to tackle pees-- she's the queen of inconvenient pees.

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Hi, I feel fortunate to listen to al of your experiences. Its like witnessing evolution unfolding. Our dear child has not arrived yet - 7 more weeks and we are enthusiastic about trying EC.

Bowen Therapist: You mentioned skin to skin contact and wearing a sling. Do you actually mean one can use a sling and literally have skin to skin contact at the same time? Not sure how that would work. Or one thin layer of cloth is more or less skin to skin? Or the skin to skin contact you are referring to comes at other times.

Sorry if this question seems a bit abstract, but I have read that skin to skin contact is important in its own right, as well as being a useful communication medium in EC. Just trying to understand. Thanks,

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I took a short cut in typing out our story( i hate to type ) here it is:
the nioght she was born we kept her just in blankets for a couple of hours then put on a newborn gown and cloth diaper. we dressed her because we were going to be doing a lotus birth and i wanted something to be able to secure her umbilical cord to so it didn't get pulled on. well after a few hours of feeling frustrated trying to bf and have dh hold her while the placenta was still atteched , i asked her if it was ok if we cut her cord now, well she smiled so thankfully i didn't feel too bad with not being able to go thru with the lotus birth, we cut the cord really long and kept it inside of her gown. anyway she nursed most of the night and passed three meconium poops by noon the next day. we caught two of the three. and after the third poops we didn't put another dipe on her but kept one under her and signaled when she peed. the first 2-3 weeks she didn't like the sling and after the third day her cord fell off so i kept her nude against me under my robe. the robe acted as my "sling" for the first 2-3 weeks. then i figured out how to tie my rebozo so that she was flat against me (skin to skin) like a froggy. the bottoms of her feet , just under her tush, and her back were sopprting her in the sling.
also sleeping she slept on my chest in her froggy position and i used a cpf just under her loins.(mostly skin to skin) or i would be daring and not have anything under her but i would have a cpf where it would leak on the bed if i missed it. but co sleeping really helps to know when they are going to pee/poop.
now at ten weeks i have her in clothes but still wear her all the time.
but i just heard of and started to read the continuum concept and think that i may go back to skin to skin cause she will be warm enoughg in the sling. after reading the book it makes me wish that i had done more skin to skin in her first three days... but i don't feel too bad she is much better off than a baby who was born in a hospital or a non ap/cc baby. (no offense to others)

hope that clarifies things , sorry its so long and rambling . i pottied her three times and nursed her while writting this

Lisa and Kaiya 10/02

lol by the time I actually finished this post mothering is having tech difficulties and i can't post it yet

also i really recomend the Continuum Concept to anyone who has not had their baby yet
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just thought to add this too. i got a baby bundler about two weeks ago ( 5 bucks on Ebay!!) and use it the way a dydimos is tied in the "cross carry" (or something like that). and it is great for skin to skin contact. very supportive for them and very comfy for me. when i was just using my maya like wrap i thought i wasn't going to be able to wear as i had hoped because of back pain.
sorry for straying ot but i love this sling.
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My dh got a laugh out of it and asked why he can't eat on the toilet. Uh, go ahead honey (ewwww!)

I had to comment on this! DH eats on the potty, drinks his coffee on the potty, he does everything on the potty. I give him a hard time but he doesn't understand why I think it's gross! Have you seen that Seinfeld where Kramer starts cooking and doing dishes in the shower? That always makes me laugh and think of my DH LOL!

So anyway, I've been having great luck with DS and the baby bjorn potty, I wish I had bought one sooner. We never caught any over the sink or anything else I tried to use but as soon as I got the potty he is peeing in it all the time!!! I can't catch a poop- well, I got half of one. When it seems like he is about to go I think me grabbing him up and putting him on the potty startles him and he holds it in : I carry him naked in the sling trying to get more in sync with him and his signals but he has never gone once while doing this. Weird!
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OH wow a $5 bundler! I paid full price for mine. WELL WORTH IT, but still, $5 would have been nice

With both my babes, I just carried them in arms as newborns. With my first, she never seemed to like the sling (not til she was a toddler at least). With my second, we got the hang of it after a few weeks, maybe a month. I still prefer to just hold him.

But for grocery shopping the sling was wonderful and I could nurse while walking. Now that he's bigger, I use the bundler for long walks and it's fantastic. Wonderfully comfortable!

With certain holds you can get skin to skin contact, but with others, you don't. I wish I had done more skin to skin with my dd. I did more with my ds as a newborn, but now that we're ECing, he's getting plenty
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Bowen Therapist: Thanks for sharing the story of your birth experience. What is a baby bundler? Rebozo?

I just bought a Baby Bjorn potty today? My wife and I laughed together. I am going to look into the continuum concept. Thank you thank you thank you for all your helpful wisdom everyone. The world is being healed one baby at a time.
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a rebozo is what the mexican women use to carry babies,groceries and what ever else needs to be carried and they use it as a shawl. you can find them on line at ebay( got mine for $20) or at the rebozo way.org.
the baby bundler you can also look up on line. its a really!!!! long piece of fabric that you tie. kind of like a dydimos. do you have a sling already?
this has the rebozo and dydi http://www.kangarookorner.com/page50.html

the bb little potty is great ! we got ours a few weeks ago. at first her little bottomfell thru the hole now she can sit on it all by her self ! (at 10 wks old) i of course guard her still.
can most babies this age sit up by themselves like that ?
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No sling yet. I'm process huge amounts of information these days and may try to acquire several different ones for me and my dw. No worries, I trust the process. Now it is time to go horizontal and rest the body and mind. Talk with you later friend...
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I'll put Noah on the potty and he'll start to pee, and then he'll stop but I know he's not finished. So I wait...
So I take him off and as soon as I lay him down to put a dipe on or if I just hold him, he pees the rest of it, lol. -Devin
Here is what I wrote on the EC-list a few weeks ago:


By design of your bladder, it is easier to "hold it", when you are in
an upright position. When there is pressure on the "exit" of the
bladder, the muscle around it pulls it shut reflexivly. The higher the
pressure gets, the tighter the bladder is shut automatically. This is
why it helps to jump up and down when you´ve got to go urgently, but
the bathroom is occupied.

In an upright position, the content of the bladder is putting the
pressure on the right places - when lying down, there is no pressure,
so you´ve got more trouble to keep things watertight.

This has several implications for ec:

- Already with Wolfgang I could help him to hold it a bit longer by
moving up and down when he was upright in the sling.

- This also explains why children have to go less often when carried
upright in the sling than when lying on their back

- And it´s another explanation for the "baby obviously has to go - you
hold him over a receptacle - nothing - you put him down - and he pees
immediately after". While holding him to pee, he´s more upright, when
you put him down on the floor, he´s vertical and the sphincter-muscles
release because there is no more pressure. I found out, that it is
sometimes difficult for Jutta to release in an upright position,
especially if she had had to "hold it" for a little before offered the
opportunity to go. I these cases it helps to put her down or hold her
horizontally for just a short time (maybe 10 to 30 seconds) and then try
again.


So maybe it helps to hold him horizontally just for a very short time or even just lean him backwards on the potty, then try again for the second half of the pee?

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We finally tried ECing at night! After traveling for the holidays dd was not spoiling us with her usual 7-9 hours of straight sleep and began waking every two hours or so (now I have more empathy for the average parent, yawn!), so I decided to try ECing at night - we've been catching many pees and almost all poop for two months now during the day. Since vacation, she's been waking and nursing big time every two hours or so and we changed her double diaper once around 2 am (we did this before the nightwaking thing stared, she just kept sleeping before). For the past two nights I've pee'd her when she wakes and she nurses a bit and goes back to sleep. I'll add here the reason I've been wary of peeing her at night - I am supplementing her breastmilk with a formula in a LactAid (we adopted dd). Dh or I have to get up and warm the bag, I have to tape it on and then she nurses. I've been wary of waking her to pee because I was afraid she'd want to nurse with the bag. All this waking at night has increased my milk supply. If she's not looking for a big meal, my milk supply will now satisfy her and for the past two nights ECing, she has only needed the "bag" late in the night. Wow... I get to go back to sleep sooner with ECing because she's more comfy? Even after changing her diaper I'd have to use the supplement if she woke before we started night ECing.

Now I have a night peeing question...will she start peeing less often as we do the night thing more? She pee'd last night the first time at 3;30 (we went to bed at 10:00), and then once an hour after that. Is this a similar pattern to what you all have experienced? The night before (our first EC night) she pee'd every 2 hrs, then once an hour after 3...gosh I do better with more sleep. We are catching most of the night pees and I love that she's not in that big, fat diaper (she's lean and it is a comical sight!), and I'm wondering if her pee's will continue to come at such a high frequency in the mornings. :
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Hotmama, I don't really have an answer for you. From the first day I discovered EC, I realized my son didn't pee at night. It had nothing to do with EC, it was just him. I have heard many people say that after ECing for a few months their kids don't pee much or at all at night but from our experience, I really think it's just an age thing and some kids stop peeing so much at night when they get a bit older (my son was 6 m/o when we started by the way - how old is your dd?). Right now he's 7 m/o and last night for example, he peed and went to sleep at 1 am, woke at 9:30 to pee in the potty and then woke to pee (on the bed, oops, lol!) at just after 11 when we got up for good.

My dd I did not do EC with but she still didn't pee in her sleep. The difference is that she was not a good sleeper and would wake every two hours to nurse til she was 14 m/o (yawwwwwwwwn). Maybe if we had been ECing it would have helped her sleep longer, but she also was a slim little thing who obviously needed to eat at night, so there's that too (my ds is big and has no problem sleeping long hours without eating).
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Dd is 7 mo old - I sure miss the signatures! That had dd's info.
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Guess what, HotMama, signatures are back! See the announcements at the top of each forum.

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puppy fluffer- "I have to dress her in long legged things during the day as we don't have soft carpets for her knees and I don't want them getting irritated when she crawls. It is hard to get her undressed to get to the potty with all the clothing during the day. I so long for summer!!!"
you can try tube socks with the end of the foot cut out for paddeding at the knee. I tried this with a special needs kid I was working with and it worked great.

well just to share with you all, night ec recenlty is not as great as it was. dd is waking at 12 am and staying up until she poops at 3-4 am Oh how I can't wait until it goes to a normal poop time of say... 9 am.
I also have to share that I'm picking up on her cues more intuitvely... and listening to my intuition instead of getting peed on
!!!! so happy to see that sigs are back !!!!
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Sorry, Im not an ECing momma... (Although when DS was a newborn, I did catch a couple after that it got very difficult for me to tell when he had to go.)

But, I saw this recently and had to share it with you guys as a great reason to EC... Its kinda tasteless, but its funny...
Hope you like!

www.whoohoo.net/operababy/operababy.swf
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Check out my cute little babelet's EC pics:

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http://www.sonomazoo.net/images/EEvanPotty1.jpg

(And don't worry, I never let him sit there by himself, I was spotting him from just outside the camera's view!)

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he is such a cutie pie
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Oh my gosh! He's absolutely precious...reading on the pot.
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well, "reading" - i just had to pose him with a book! if only we had a mini-newspaper.....:LOL

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Cute pic!

I'd like to remind y'all that if you decide to do an ec blog, site or whatever, PLEASE let me know and I'll add a link to it on my site.

Also, my ds started peeing fewer times a night when we got good at night EC... I think he might have been peeing a bit, stopped b/c of the uncomfortable feeling of soiling himself, then waiting for a fresh diaper change to finish the pee... AUGH!!

Those days are long behind us now!

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