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#181 of 281 Old 01-29-2008, 02:12 AM
 
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Another really late starter newbie here. DD2 is 15m old, and I'm so ready to do this now. I toyed with EC with DD1, then was definitely going to EC with DD2. She had health issues though, and it was only recently that I felt I could actually handle doing something else. It just hit me this week and I'm so ready to move on to the next level, so today I drug out our little potty and am going to start putting her on it.

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So today I'm writing down when she pees and poops, we caught one pee already! Our house has lots of carpet so instead of letting her run around nakid, I'm putting in her training undies. They are easier for me to pull one on then to track her down and snappi a prefold on her. DD2 has scared of the potty, she doesn't want to sit on it, she doesn't want me to hold her over it, I even tried sitting on the toilet and then sitting her in front of me, which is how my mom swears she PL all of us by 18m. Anyway, she just woke up from a nap so I knew she had to pee, so I took her into the kitchen, stood her in the sink for a minute and turned on the water, she peed 30 seconds later.

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Wow! I can't believe there are so many late starters. I am getting ready to start with my dd. Her first birthday is next month. I have tried the toilet once with no luck, but haven't put forth much of an effort yet. We've had a lot of diaper-free time lately, but I haven't noticed signs...I don't think. We'll see how it goes.
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Hi everyone,

I wanted to add a few more links that I didn't see in a long list of links posted earlier in this thread:
www.white-boucke.com/reviews/latestarters.html
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-- just now started back and it is like we had never stopped! We quit while I was working with my older child to get her to use the potty. I figured it was a fluke back then until I started him back up recently. It seems like somehow he remembered how to go on the toilet. He is almost 15 months now --

I've heard that many children do remember if you take a break and many (but not all) get back on track fairly quickly. Awesome that you are experiencing this.

-- He goes in the potty about 5 times a day, but I figure that's a good start. --

That sounds like a good start all right!

-- My husband thinks I'm crazy --

He'll change his mind at some point.

-- I still haven't convinced my husband of how easy it is! --

Try to get him to potty your little one. He might be amazed and have a change of heart.

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ok taylor is 13 months old and well won't tell me anything. she doesn't talk much. she is cloth diped and well i started putting her on the potty every ten mins today from time of wake up and she won't do nothing she will pee when she gets off right in the floor next to the potty. i wait and wait and she holds it you can tell she is. what do i do?
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I'm so happy to find this thread! I just started EC with my DS yesterday after meeting a wonderful mom that I met here at MotheringDotCommune. I had thought about going Diaper-Free before Croix arrived, but was put in my place by my mother and MIL. I regret listening and for not following my early intuition.

Just connecting with someone who makes EC part of their life made it seem possible. It's was way easier than I thought, I just wished I started sooner.

We got home around 3 pm from our swimming lesson and I let my DS roam without a diaper. After two pees on the floor we quickly got the hang of it. I started noticing signals that our DS was giving us since birth but we hadn't really recognized them until we looked for them. That first night resulted in us catching 3 poops and 2 pees. We were so impressed!

I am looking forward to being able to let him nap without a diaper. Baby steps.

Today, day 2, we were pretty busy. Out and about with no real time to EC. We switched to our normal routine of disposables while out and cloth at home and didn't go near the potty today. We're going to start up again tomorrow. I think it's best for us if it's done without stress if we regress a little here and there.

We'll try to introduce signing ('t' for toilet) and the cueing sound together. Meeting with my new EC friend today helped tremendously! Great tips.

Not only was this easy, it was a great way to bond with our DS in a positive way. And to think what we're doing for the environment. There are only winners with EC. Way to go everyone! Keep it up.
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Decided to finally jump in to this community, kinda like I finally jumped into ECing You know I swore to my single friends that I would not be a mama that talked about my DD's 'poos'. Well darn it, I can't stop talking about it!! Ha ha! Yippee for this support thread.

DD is now 10 months and we have been ECing part-time for the past two months. It was actually my doctor that told me about EC at DD's 1 week appointment but I wasn't ready. Now, I wish I had started earlier, but bygones.

We started at 8 months because DD really started to resist diaper changes, specifically putting them back on. Obviously, right!? So I decided to try EC. And wow these first two months have been a fascinating learning experience. I have no expectations so this is just an easygoing, natural journey for both of us. (My poor DC #2 when/if they come along!)

Anyway, not sure if I should post my questions about EC here or in the larger EC community. I am sure you will all gently redirect me if necessary First question. Where does one order 'train'ing pants/undies for a 10 month old?

Looking forward to learning more for this group!
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You know I swore to my single friends that I would not be a mama that talked about my DD's 'poos'.

It was actually my doctor that told me about EC at DD's 1 week appointment but I wasn't ready. Now, I wish I had started earlier, but bygones.
Way to go WasabMama! Like you I never would have imagined how much joy catching a pee or a poo could be for me. LOL

I'm so impressed that your doctor actually suggested it. That is amazing! Please encourage him/her to continue to do so with new mothers.

theecstore.com carries several brands of tiny undies and even ones from Japan for those seriously small bottoms. I just went to local childrens stores and purchased toddler underpants for our DS, but his chunky thighs were too big for some brands.

Welcome to the club!
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Thanks URwhatU8! So happy to be here! I know, I really lucked out with my doctor. Indeed, when I first meet her I didn't know about her natural philosophy and it wasn't until I was finished my 1st trimester that she told me she didn't do epidurals! WOW, I hadn't even made up my mind about the epi! LOL! It was a beautiful birth!

Thanks for the link! I am going to check them out now. Thank goodness they have small ones, DD is in the teeny tiny club.
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My dh and I have been ECing our 8m ds for about a week now. My husband and his sister were ECed starting at this age so it's only seemed natural for our family. We've had great success catching a half dozen times a day! I've figured out what that fussy I'm not hungry, bored, or tired cry is for. I'm still just a little shocked every time we catch one in the toilet since this is a new concept to me (I always thought kids had to be walking to be using the toilet).

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Hey! I just started ec'ing my ds this weekend, kind of by accident. I set him on my dd's potty seat while we were waiting for the bath to fill, and he pooped! Since this seemed to be soo much easier for him than to go in his dipe I have been trying to catch his #2 whenever I see the signs... but how do you know for pee? And my DS is a chunky monkey, how do you aim and hold onto him??
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Hello everyone. A friend of mine told me about this website, so I thought i would check it out. i like what i have seen so far. I have a 9mo daughter. I started to EC with her when she was about 4mo. People told me I was crazy and I was trying to make her grow up too fast. All kinds of things. So, needless to say...I quit. Well, about a week ago, I decided to give it another try. Within the first week, she was pooing in the potty. Yet, she rarely, RARELY goes pee in it. She gives no sign. The only thing she does is stops whatever she is doing, starts to pee and then resumes her activity while finishing. So, when I see her stop, it is already too late because she has begun. I will still take her to the potty and put her on and make a "pssssss" sound. Yet, she does not have to go pee anymore. Then there are the times, after I put her on the potty, I will take her in on her changing table, to clean her or what have you. SHE PEES RIGHT THERE!! I have no idea what to do. I think about waiting till she is old enough to understand, then I think ...no. It is like 9 out of 10 tries, it is a no hitter. Is she too little, just not ready? I NEED HELP...I am about to just give up. I am tired of all the messes and I am beginning to lose hope that this could work for us.



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Hey scrappin1980,
I just started too, but my ds give a little whine and stops playing when he needs to pee now (after only a week) What I so is take him every half hour or so if he hasn't given me a signal, and sometimes he will sometimes he wont. But I have a little stool in the bathroom that I sit on and take his diper off (if not poopy) so I dont have to go from changing table to BR and waste time... But he pees all the time so his diaper is almost always aleast a little wet.
Hope that helps.
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Subbing! Super late starter here, but DS it pretty much out of diapers during the week now. He's 21 months. I catch like 80% of his pees, in our pee pee bowl. I can just bring the bowl to him and he will try to produce something for me! So cute!
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Hi, I just wanted to introduce myself. We're pretty late starters here. My dd is 14mos so we are kind of doing EC, kind of doing early potty learning. I just read Diaper Free Before Three which isn't really a book on EC, it's more mainstream and is written for parents of babies 6mo and up, but it talks about EC some and also talks about how 100 years ago most babies were trained to use the toilet in their first two years of life and how the late training we do now is unhealthy and abnormal. Any way it has inspired me to start giving my girl some pottytunities. We actually tried to do EC when she was younger, but I got frustrated with all the misses and decided to stop. But this time I'm feeling more committed. I'm trying to offer her the potty whenever she wakes up, before leaving the house, before going to sleep and all that. I also am leaving her bare bum or in panties as much as possible whenever we are at home. However I'm not having a lot of success. In the last two days I've only made one catch. My little girl doesn't seem to have a pattern that I can tell yet, so timing hasn't worked. She is very mobile and though she happily will sit on the potty for a couple seconds she wants to get up right away. She does seem to be more aware of herself peeing though, but I haven't noticed any definite signals. My husband is getting frustrated with all the pee that's ending up on the floor. Should I just expect it to take longer to get the hang of it because we started late? Maybe I am just not observant enough for EC. How can I help her to pee when on the potty (we're using a babybjorn little potty)? Often she pees soon after she gets off and i don't know if she's holding it or what. Anyway any advice or encouragement would be very much appreciated. Thanks

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Hi there,

This all sounds common for starting with a busy toddler, so don't worry.

Many toddlers don't like to sit on the potty at first. Try different tactics such as moving the potty to different locations/rooms or letting her read a special book while on the potty. She might like the whole bathroom ritual of emptying the potty, flushing, washing hands.

Many toddlers "hold it" while on the potty, then go almost as soon as they get off. It takes a while to learn the reverse.

When dh is around (or any time you are feeling overwhelmed), you might want to try using training pants or even diapers in between potty visits to avoid creating stress in the household. This won't confuse her. It's very important to have a relaxed atmosphere with respect to elimination issues.

With our first two, we didn't know about IPT/EC and didn't start until 15 months and 18 months. It took them quite a while to catch on, so I've been through what you are experiencing. As with everything, some kids catch on faster than others. It takes patience but things will start to click with her.

There are loads of things you can try. My article for late-starters mentions several tactics www.white-boucke.com/reviews/latestarters.html plus there are several mentioned in the threads here, and the new 2008 edition of Infant Potty Training has even more (plus beautiful color photos) www.white-boucke.com/IPTstuff.html

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though she happily will sit on the potty for a couple seconds she wants to get up right away. She does seem to be more aware of herself peeing though, but I haven't noticed any definite signals. My husband is getting frustrated with all the pee that's ending up on the floor. Should I just expect it to take longer to get the hang of it because we started late? Maybe I am just not observant enough for EC. How can I help her to pee when on the potty (we're using a babybjorn little potty)? Often she pees soon after she gets off and i don't know if she's holding it or what. Anyway any advice or encouragement would be very much appreciated. Thanks
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I got my DD to successfully use the potty by teaching her the sign for potty. Lately, we've started having poopy accidents though and I'm not sure if its because of me not paying enough attention to her or what. When it has happened, she's been kind enough to scream as loud as she possibly can until she gets our attention and is cleaned up and changed. She is barely nine months so I am wondering if anyone else ere has some clever ideas on how to better communicate with the LOs on when they need to go. I can't always guarantee to keep my eyes open for potty
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I found out about EC a couple of weeks ago and decided to try putting my 9 month old on the potty just for poops (he has a verrry obvious pooping face). I caught all of his poops for 2 days. We went on vacation for a week; we didn't do any ECing then.
I started up ECing full time 3 days ago. I was surprised to find out how predictable his pees are. Since we started ECing we've only missed 3 pees and no poops! Dry all through naps and night time too! I was absolutely amazed when DS stood up in the bath today and started saying pahpah pahpah, I put him on the potty and he peed right away! I don't mean to brag but I was so skeptical before starting, I thought this might give hope to other moms thinking about late start EC.

I do have some questions though.
Is it ok to pick DS up mid-pee and carry him to the potty? I did this for one missed pee and he seemed to be fine with it.

How many times does the average 9 month old pee (my guy pees about 8-10 times poops 1 or 2)? weird one I know

The big one! How do you explain EC to friends and family? I've already told my mom. She thinks I'm "pushing DS too early" I tried to explain to her that I am not potty training him but she doesn't seem to get it.
I'm really worried about my best friend finding out (she will tomorrow). She is potty training he 2 1/2 yr old right now. I want her to know that I'm not trying to one-up her, just making a different choice for my family. I don't want to minimize the success she's finally had with her daughter, but I don't want anyone's disapproval to persuade me to stop doing something that's good for my son!
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Another late starter here too. I did quite a bit of EC with DS when he was smaller (4-7ish months), and we did really well. He was getting very good at holding it, especially when we were out and I could potty him pretty much anywhere. I have been extremely lax about it for a few months, and even gave in to disposables. :

I dug out some cloth fitteds tonight and put him in one and brought his BBLP downstairs to have available. As soon as I put it down, DS grabbed it and started to cry his "I want it" cry. I took his dipe off, put him on, gave him our old signal, and he went! I am in utter shock!

I am going to try it out this coming weekend and see how he does. I figured I would offer every hour or two throughout the day and keep him coverless otherwise. Hopefully we can get back on the wagon!

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brought his BBLP downstairs to have available. As soon as I put it down, DS grabbed it and started to cry his "I want it" cry. I took his dipe off, put him on, gave him our old signal, and he went! I am in utter shock!

I am going to try it out this coming weekend and see how he does.
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That is good news all right! Thanks very much for sharing this and please do let us know how things go in the next days.

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I'm a new late starter to ds, 10 months. My husband is quickly getting frustrated with it, as I'm not catching the pees and poops just yet. I think he expects me to have him potty trained like in a month with this. I know EC-ing isn't about just getting your baby potty trained.. I am enjoying the chance to be better in tune with ds, and he loves being "free". But I was wondering, to appease my husband, has anyone had success with late-start EC-ing that results in a potty-trained baby, earlier than normal?

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-- has anyone had success with late-start EC-ing that results in a potty-trained baby, earlier than normal? --

Certainly. However, as with all potty training methods, some EC late-starters finish relatively fast while others do not. Since there is no way to know in advance, it's wise to not have any fixed expectations or high hopes, as these can lead to frustration or giving up. Your ds will move along at his own natural pace, along with your gentle assistance.

You said your husband is getting frustrated with EC. If this happens to be because you are leaving your baby without diapers or other protection and that your dh dislikes accidents and messes, remember that it is fine to use diapers or training pants in between potty visits. Perhaps your dh will be less frustrated if you do.

Or if you are spending loads of time on trips to the bathroom or potty, you could reduce some of the time spent doing this to focus on other things, especially while dh is around. Remember that infant pottying is NOT an all-or-nothing thing. If you find it causes stress in the home, cut back on the time spent EC'ing for a while.

In any case, it is unreasonable and impossible for anyone to catch all elimination for many, many months. It's a gradual process. It's fine to EC part-time, meaning, if you only potty him a few times a day for a while, this is okay.

The key is stay relaxed and enjoy!

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Hi Everyone!

Wow! I'm so excited to find this forum!!: My twins are almost 16 months old so I thought that it was too late. What's the difference between EC and toilet learning?

My sons are in cloth diapers with velcro covers. They have been driving my DH and I crazy because they constantly pull their diapers off. This is fine with us if we're downstairs on our wood floor, but not if they're on carpet or on our bed!! We also have a potty chair that they like to sit on but they've never used. We let them run around naked, but they end up going on the floor most of the time. With two I have a very difficult time chasing them both around!

What would you all recommend for containing urine/bm when we're just hanging out at home and I don't have time to be cleaning up accidents? I saw online some gerber training underwear. That would be a mess with the bm but at least they wouldn't be able to pull their diaper off. Anyone have suggestions? I also have 2 snap fitted dipes that I thought I could buy more of but they are so expensive.

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What's the difference between EC and toilet learning?
Hi there!

In my opinion, EC is a form of toilet learning. Medical professionals classify it this way. For late-starters, many of the tactics are the same as with toilet learning. With EC there is a lot of emphasis on communication and responsiveness, plus there is no punishment or coercion involved.

You are already off to a good start with your twins. It's good that you are using cloth and that they enjoy being diaper-free at times. As you are finding, it can be a little tricky to get them to go in a potty at first. Keep trying at the most likely times.

It sounds like training pants would be helpful to contain elimination, or else some sort of waterproof cover with disposable linings. One brand is G-diapers.

It might also be helpful to have two potties (one for each boy) in a few different rooms for a while, so they don't have to go far at potty time.

If you're not too far from Boulder, there are monthly DiaperFreeBaby playgroup meetings there.

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DD is 18 mo and about a month and a half ago we went diaper free around the house and outside so she could feel what her body was doing and I could watch for signs. The second day she went twice outside when I asked her to try peeing, I was soooooo excited with this immediate success. She doesn't seem to want to pee on the toilet, we have several kinds and I have tried every conceivable combination, I can occasionally get her to sit on it (read stories, play, sit next to mom, etc.), but 98% of the time she won't pee, then 2 minutes later she pees on the floor. I know she has to go, but can't get her to try in an "acceptable" location. Anyway, a couple weeks into this she was pooping on the toilet (she has been great at realizing when she has to poop and telling me) and looked between her legs and saw the poop coming out and FREAKED out, saying "ALL DONE, ALL DONE!" She held it for two days and has slowly come back to being okay pooping in her diaper (if she is wearing underwear it seems to bug her and she comes and tells me she is pooping, but refuses to sit on the toilet or anywhere, I clean her up and 5 minutes later we repeat until the entire BM is out in tiny increments).

Sorry for the novel, I am just getting really frustrated...She is a pretty stubborn little lady and I wonder if I waited too long to start. Should I just go back to diapers?

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With late-starters, it's perfectly normal and very very common for a child to sit on the toilet or potty for a while, then to get up and go on the floor. You need to be patient and give her time to learn. It might take her some weeks or a few months to catch on, or she might surprise you and start sooner. It takes practice and gentle encouragement. Most important of all is for you to remain relaxed, relaxed, relaxed.

From your description, it sounds like she might do better with cloth diapers or training pants for now. You can still try to potty her at likely times, as long as she doesn't get too upset by this. If it toally upsets her, I'd stop offering for a day or two but would keep talking about potties, toilets, staying dry, etc. Let her watch you use the toilet and ask if she wants to sit there just for fun. I assume you have a child's attachable toilet seat for her but if not, be sure to get one.

There are some kids' toilet learning books you could check out from the library, maybe even some DVDs. We have a DVD called "Potty Whispering" that you could request your library to get for you, or if you want to acquire a book or DVD, here's a link: http://www.white-boucke.com/IPTstuff.html

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thanks for the advice! she has done really well in the mornings the past few days. I hope that DH can stay relaxed about it when I head back to work on wednesday.

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Hi everyone my emilie is almost 8 motnhs old and i am starting to potty train her, i have just bought her a potty and put her on it a couple of times and she plays a whiel and is fine but has not done anything on it yet. Also after i take her of it seh goes in her diapers, i do know when she is actually pupping and i tried to taker her but was a bit late ( i just started saturday). i kinda know her pooping hours and i will try to get her there at those times. Also i've been thinking of taking her to try number right after she wakes up from her naps and in the morning.

I am currently a stay at home mom who is working on her thesis and i do have time to watch my girl, also she is bundle of energy who is incredibly active. Any tips or advice on how i must get started or what to do?
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Hi all! DD is 11 months and we started maybe six weeks ago? A friend on another forum introduced me to it and we thought we'd try it! DD poops probably 50% of the time in her little potty and/or big potty with me sitting behind her. And pees maybe 1 or 2 times a day. I WOH F/T, so it's hard to go fully EC, but part-time is working for us. DD is great about letting us know when she needs to potty, and DH is great at being supportive with it.
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I have 8 month old baby girl i've been ECing for 2 almost 3 weeks now, so far i have only managed to catch 3 pees a day the ones that are very obvious like after sleep and naps and as for poop not one, i know when she is pooping but when i take her she looses it and stops. Any ideas? Also the pees i dont catch every day only every other day. I still havent caught any signs as to before she pees only after that she shudders.

I try to take her when i think she mught be due for pee but most of the time she doesnt relieve herself, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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