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Is this possible to do?

I have a friend whose partner may be willing to donate me some of the good stuff, but I'd have to get it from the southern States to here (I'm in Canada).

Has anyone done this? I imagine it would have to be frozen and thawed. Can this be done by an "amateur," or is this why we pay the sperm banks the big bucks?
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oh, I wish I could remember the name of the term for doing this. There's a company that will send you the packaging and you can use their stuff to send it semi-frozen, or something like that, so you just use it pretty much right away to inseminate. It's not through a sperm bank, so you don't need to do the whole quarantine period or anything. Let me do a bit of searching.......we considered this, but it definitely is expensive.......

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aha! found it!

http://www.arssales.com/equine/html/epm-bioflite.html

There's a similar company called BioTranz, but I can't get the weblink to work.

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Wow, thank you very much! I'm gonna check out that info.
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Here's the BioTranz link:

http://www.zdlinc.com/ship.html
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Fed Ex is who some dykes I met in Texas used.
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Huh, this is wild! I had no idea transporting sperm was this accessible.

The websites don't mention cost. Anyone have a ballpark idea of what it would cost? I'm thinking to transport pretty faaaar... from the southern States to Canada.
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This is great!

I have been looking into this for a couple of clients of mine (I am a homebirth midwife who also does fertility work). We were looking into using the Overnight Male system which is offered by the andrology labs at the University of Illiniois at Chicago.

Overnight Male uses a preservative buffer to help sperm live 24 hours without chilling. It has to be removed before insemination (by washing).

Overnight Male is pretty cheap -- I think it was $30 or so for the buffer and the postage paid shipping. I would think it might be a lot more to go to Canada, though. Perhaps you could have it shipped to a friend across the border and go pick it up?

I would guess that the buffer that is added to these frozen products might also need to be removed by sperm washing. You would need to get the help of someone with a centrifuge and sperm-washing chemicals if that were the case. All frozen sperm has chemicals added to it to prevent the sperm by being crushed by ice crystals, but some of it does not need to be removed before insemination.

It isn't really clear from the website whether or not it is necessary to remove the buffer. Many companies like this will only recommend that their products be used for IUIs to cover their butts -- the process that washes sperm for IUIs also kills bacteria and some viruses, so the fresh sperm becomes less likely to be infectious. So, they will recommend washing for that reason and not because the buffer actually needs to be removed.

I would love to hear what you find out. This is cool!

p.s. I am happy to answer any technical q's about insemination -- to the best of my ability! PM me if there is anything you need to know.

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Thanks!

I've done DIY insem before (how I got my almost 3 year old daughter ). The shipping idea is what is new to me. I'm hoping to just get my friend to "make" the goods, iykwim, put em in the package, they show up in my mail, I do DIY insem at home. No expensive medical assistance.

I wonder if that is doable. Maybe I should call the companies...
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I used to ship horse semen through FED EX. It would come in a regular cardboard box- inside was a Styrofoam cooler thing and ice packs.. just make sure the cool packs aren't to close to the sperm. If you think it might take the package more than a day to get there you would want to look into a semen extender which will protect and nourish the semen in transit.
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Looks like BioTranz is $200, including U.S. shipping.

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Yeah, BioTranz and the other are EXPENSIVE, and I think they have a limited capacity. We were looking into it but found flying our donor out to us to be cheaper! But, if you don't really know the donor, that is probably not an option. I'd really see how much you could fit in one package, see how long the semen can last with the extender, hopefully you could get one package that would take you through 2-3 insems.

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I used to ship horse semen through FED EX. It would come in a regular cardboard box- inside was a Styrofoam cooler thing and ice packs.. just make sure the cool packs aren't to close to the sperm. If you think it might take the package more than a day to get there you would want to look into a semen extender which will protect and nourish the semen in transit.
We used to use a similar method to ship bull semen. (My daddy was a cattle rancher.)

I would suggest dry ice in a freezer bag, rather than ice packs.

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In the surrogacy world BioFlite and BioTranz are popular HOWEVER! they must be shipped overnight! it only lasts for like 36 hours total. Shipping from Southern US to Canada might be a problem. There could be a customs issue.

MY Intended Father's sent frozen sperm from a reputable sperm bank in Europe to me in Alaska. It was sent DXL? and everything was by the book..........except someone at customs in NY got a wild hair up their butt and kept it there for 2 freaken weeks! They even opended the sealed container and ruined $5000 worth of frozen sperm.

I would say your best bet, if this Donor is a friend, would be to fly there or him to you. Fresh is the best and you can insem for 2 -4 days.........way better then attemping it with cooled shipped sperm.
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Feel free to PM me. I have a ton of info about Biotranz/Bioflite and how to do it so the sperm don't die. Luckily we didn't get to the point of needing to use it, as we got pregnant our second try and were able to fly to our donor. Keep in mind the cost b/c Biotranz is very expensive. Bioflite - if you call the company the woman who answers the phone is very nice and their shippers are *much* cheaper and they will sell you as much Human TYB (test yolk buffer) as you want - you *have* to have the human stuff. Biotranz will only sell you two vials and then you have to buy a whole other overpriced shipper.

The shipping has to be overnight, and I recommend the priority overnight so it's guaranteed before 9am or whatever. Plus, your donor MUST do the latest drop off time possible. It can get expensive - two insems a month via shipped semen ended up being more than flying both DW and I to NYC where our donor lives, and given the fact that shipping semen must be done exactly right (cooling the sperm, etc) and it's expensive, we choose to just fly. Something to consider if you or donor can actually meet up.

Good luck!!
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I would say your best bet, if this Donor is a friend, would be to fly there or him to you. Fresh is the best and you can insem for 2 -4 days.........way better then attemping it with cooled shipped sperm.


I don't know that shipping fresh sperm would work. Sperm banks freeze sperm in stages, getting progressively colder until the vials sit in liquid nitrogen. It all has to be done very carefully and specifically, or else the sperm will die. Fresh sperm starts to die right away. I don't think shipping it in dry ice would do anything to preserve sperm.

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I don't know that shipping fresh sperm would work. Sperm banks freeze sperm in stages, getting progressively colder until the vials sit in liquid nitrogen. It all has to be done very carefully and specifically, or else the sperm will die. Fresh sperm starts to die right away. I don't think shipping it in dry ice would do anything to preserve sperm.
Meggles - it's possible, but you have to cool the sperm, *not* freeze it. So not dry ice - that would be too cold. You mix the sperm with a buffer for it to live on during shipping. Not as good as fresh, but better than frozen. A lot of surrogates have used this method to get pregnant, and as other posters have said, lots of vets and people with animals use it for inseminations.
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Meggles - it's possible, but you have to cool the sperm, *not* freeze it. So not dry ice - that would be too cold. You mix the sperm with a buffer for it to live on during shipping. Not as good as fresh, but better than frozen. A lot of surrogates have used this method to get pregnant, and as other posters have said, lots of vets and people with animals use it for inseminations.
now I never said a LOT of surrogates get pregnant this way just that it was popular.
Most try for months with biotranz and eventually go for fresh or IUI's

It does work just not as well as we would like.
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How exciting Thismama!

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Hello all, Amanda here...

my partner Kate and I are TTC and because our guy is out-of-state and it is very difficult to get our schedules together, we are considering this BioTranz/Biofreeze stuff

Has anyone tried it and if so actually conceived??

Thanks for any input
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yes, people have done this and did conceive but it is not very reliable and shipping is very $$$.

Fresh is best.
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Thanks so much for the FYI, everyone.
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yes, people have done this and did conceive but it is not very reliable and shipping is very $$$.

Fresh is best.
its got to be cheaper than a flight booked 2 days before??
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its got to be cheaper than a flight booked 2 days before??
I know! That's what I was thinking! And even if it costs $200-300, that's a lot cheaper than the local sperm bank where I live.

Not reliable tho... now that would be a major roadblock.
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Also, keep in mind that companies like FedEx charge huge brokerage fees for getting your items through customs. It's usually in the $60-$100 range, even for a small package. And since you can't rely on customs to put the package through in a timely fashion, it could be problematic. Get a plane ticket!
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Aw, man. That sucks.
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hi girls
look, i need some help. am considering AI in order to have a child with my partner, who has v low sperm count due to a sporting injury. i have a child already with my ex-husband, so hoping i am ok.

i don't like all this buffering and anonymity with frozen clinic sperm, so am looking into a fresh donation, as it were. but what about the turkey-basting? i don't like the sound of it at all!!!!!!!! please can someone who knows how to do it tell me what we should do? i really don't like that bit about not getting any air in the teat pipette or whatever we use, because then it might kill me.
jeez. this all seems so scary. such a pity that after 7 years of very persistent trying, my partner and i just couldn't do this.

also, i am terrified of another delivery as traumatic as my first - but maybe that's another post. (what do you do if you're so scared?)

thanks guys for anything useful you can think of to help me.

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I would highly advice against using the Biotranz Express or anything from ZDL or Zavos. He is overpriced and downright unethical, IMHO

There are much better (and cheaper) alternative products out there.

NW CryoBank has a much more affordable and reliable solution. Google them.
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Yes! And I'm still so fascinated to read all the options. I'll have to go back and re-read siggies to see who got pg.
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