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#301 of 666 Old 08-05-2006, 05:10 PM
 
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oh yeah......we dont see allergies until 18-24mths......what about newborn babies who are OBVIOUSLY allergic to dairy and soy? Dr's these days.

btw, i agre, i think vaxes have increased the amount of instances of allergies.
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"You know a fever will kill you just as soon as strep will"
I told him that everything I had ever read said that fever was just your bodies way of fighting infection and it is generally a good thing.
his response?....
"What medical school did you go to?:

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I haven't read through the whole thread, but...
at 2 days: You owe it to the general population to eradicate Hep B through your newborn getting vax'd

switched ins to switch peds (was Kaiser)

at 4mos: Whooping cough is going around. She'll probably get it, and if she does get it, she WILL die.

switched to a FP since the peds told me I had to follow the schedule or leave

the fp was great- until 18mos.
If you don't start vaxing soon and she gets one of these diseases, she'll die.

ARGH. I don't fall for the scare tactics. Talk to me like I'm intelligent and am capable of understanding your POV then we might get somewhere.
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Heard one on another board today:

She told the doc she didn't want the cpvax EVER. The doc said "you have good reasoning , but I've had two kids DIE of chickenpox related skin infections."

Can you believe the sheer gall ?? Such a disgusting blanket statement.
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yeah, and i bet they gave them tylenol and ab's.
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the ped that saw my son in the hospital told me it was 'extremely important' that my son get the first hep b vax before leaving the hospital. she acted as if he would most assuredly catch hep b when we left and would die. both my husband and i are hep b negative and to the best of our knowledge didn't even know anyone who was hep b positive.

the second ped we saw basically tried to make me believe that my son would die since i wanted to *at least* delay vax until i could do further research. she told me she had a patient in the hospital that was dying of pertussis. that certainly made me feel like mommy of the year. then she said she couldn't understand why i wanted to have my son's tight frenulum clipped but not have him vaccinated. and the correlation between the two would be???

another ped we saw tried to tell me that my using diluted tea tree eo and lavender eo on my son's skin rashes was dangerous, but told me to use products like cetaphil (uhm, can we say chemical laden?) on my son's skin. i got a similar reaction from another ped more recently.

a little more OT but the DO i took my son to a couple of months ago tried to forceably retract my son's penis and then told me that he liked for boys to be fully retractable by 1 yr of age to prevent phimosis. same office called and told me that they believed that my son could have a disease called porphyria because his blood lab results came back showing low red blood cell count. we were sent to a specialist who was floored that they would try to make a diagnosis like that with so little lab information. secondary blood lab results showed my son to be fine.

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well, saw our doc today (with my dd and husband in tow) for what she believes is Scabies between my fingers and arms and a bit on my thighs.

While we were there, she began asking me about the pregnancy and asked if I had taken the glucose blood test yet. I told her no. She said "you absolutely MUST have this test, there is not an option" I told her "actually there is an option, and that option is for me not to take it, which I have chosen."

"why aren't you taking it?"

"because I declined it." Pause "because there is a high instance of false positive with this test."

"You do realize that if you develope gestational diabetes your child has a chance of becoming severly disfigured."

"or of being born still," I answered.

"can you really live with yourself if something goes wrong. You really would risk your child?!"

"I'm very confident in my decision and can live quite easily with myself, thanks."

Then..."have you been to the childrens clinic (tipat chalav...drop of milk, literally in Hebrew) with your daughter?"

"nope"

"why not?"

"no need."

"well she needs to be vaccinated."

"we are not vaxing"

"you could have her vaxed for chickenpox, at least, it's very common"

"no thanks"

"well you know you can pick and choose what you want, you don't have to start with ALL of them."

"I'm aware of my rights, thank you."

"well you MUST get diptheria at least, several children die every year from diptheria."

"I am well aware of the statistics"

"Diptheria is a must. You surely would not risk your child's LIFE by not vaxing for diptheria."

"I prefer to not risk my child's life by totally avoiding the side effects of the vaccine."

With a relieved smile on her face and a bit of a laugh, "Oh, but there ARE no side effects to that one! That one is totally safe to do."

"Oh really? Would you like me to provide you with research about the issue?"

Silence.

"How about this, perhaps until I can come back with that research, you take a look at what the manufacturere of the vaccine has to say about their possible side effects."

"but there aren't any."

"then I think you will be quite surprized when you read what the manufacturer has to say and their pages and pages of side effects and warnings." pause "the united states government has paid out billions of dollars to parents who, they admit, have children who have suffered side life debilihitating effects from vaccines, including diptheria."

End of conversation.

"I hope everything goes well," she said

"so do I."

Now I just need to find info on Diptheria! ANy ideas?

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Right on JulRiv!
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No need to give her info on diptheria unless she asked for it. You told her you'd give it to her ...but she didn't ASK for it.


I refused to take the gestational diabetes tests too. Drinking all the that poison while preg can't possibly be good for the baby.
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No need to give her info on diptheria unless she asked for it. You told her you'd give it to her ...but she didn't ASK for it.


I refused to take the gestational diabetes tests too. Drinking all the that poison while preg can't possibly be good for the baby.
i never thought about that.....

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No need to give her info on diptheria unless she asked for it. You told her you'd give it to her ...but she didn't ASK for it.


I refused to take the gestational diabetes tests too. Drinking all the that poison while preg can't possibly be good for the baby.
Hmmm...my midwife just had me drink sugar water? Maybe every place does it differently?
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maybe. i had to drink chemicals. i asked them if i could do OJ or sugar water instead. they said no

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yeah, when I refused with dd, they called it a "sugary substience" but I've read of people eating jelly beans, or drinking something sugary but more healthy, like juice. I've also heard of people being told to fast and then not being told to fast and being totld to fast for 8 hours, 12 hours, 3 hours and totally arbitrary times.

So what I want to know is, how can they POSSIBLY get any kind of accurate standard for this sort of thing with all of these different allowences and rules.

Oh, maybe THAT is why there is such a high instance of false positive...

*sigh*

Now I"m doubting the scabies diagnoses. Have no idea where I would have picked that one up, nor do I know why I would have symptoms but dd and dh would not, after I've had it for two weeks, and I've NEVER been anywhere without one of them in the past 8 months! Not using this toxic stuff she gave me, after having had a really scary reaction:

Benzyl Benzoate 25% composition

inactive ingredients:
Benzyl Alcohol, Oleic Acid, BHA, BHT, TEA, Disodium Edetate, Purified Water.


Read that Neem Tree Oil is a total cure (for like 98% according to the studies that have been done, when used in combination topically with tumeric) but I can't find it ANYWHERE in Israel for public consumption. Everyone thinks I"m a nut! Even at health food stores.

What to do?

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Now I"m doubting the scabies diagnoses. Have no idea where I would have picked that one up, nor do I know why I would have symptoms but dd and dh would not, after I've had it for two weeks, and I've NEVER been anywhere without one of them in the past 8 months! Not using this toxic stuff she gave me, after having had a really scary reaction:
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OT: Just out of curiosity...Are you around animals? A friend of mine is a vet tech and had a what sounds similar to what you described. It took almost 5 months for her to finally be diagnosed with Mange. They thought it was some type of other parasite at first.

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nope, but went to a dermatologist today...

I have some new quotes for you:

Here is a FULL transcript of my appointment.

"Hi, why are you here" (typical Israeli greeting...)

"Well, I am in my 5th month of pregnancy, and two weeks ago have begun to develop a rash right here"

I begin pointing these to him

"You are moving your arm too fast, I need to see them, they are not for you to see."

"I'm just showing you where they are, of course you are welcome to look, but I would like to tell you a few things first."

"I said I need to look. Where are they."

I dutifully point them out and he looks.

"this has been diagnosed as scabies" I say

nothing

"the "bites" you are looking at right now are ones that have dried up. I used an scabiecide on them once, but began to feel very sick on the topical medication. These are the new ones right here."

"Your pregnant? How far"

"5 months and one week"

"how long have you had these?"

"two weeks now. It began at a point on my leg..."

"these are drying up."

"I believe it is because I used this medication once, but I discontinued use because I had a very bad reaction"

"so you had a skin reaction from the medication."

"no, actually, I had a very severe headache that lasted for about 18 hours and I felt very woozy and out of it..."

"so it was psychosymatic."

"No, I don't believe so."

"Yes it was."

"I am very sensitive to medications, and since I am pregnant..."

(he cuts me off) "you are very psychologically sensitive."

(my husband chimes in) "we would like to have a culture done to check for scabies."

"Thank you for your advice about how to do my job."

(I answer) "and thank you for your advice about my psychological state, though I think that was quite unfounded. Anyways, I was not happy with the drug of choice, seeing as I am pregnant, I would have prescribed for myself a 10% sulpher solution in a petrolum jelly, though I am not convinced that this is scabies."

(doc rolls his eyes and brushs his hand when I say the above) "it's not scabies."

"It's not?"

"I don't know. I don't think so. Are your husband and daughter itching?"

"My husband has been itching ("maybe it's psychosymatic" says my husband, totally undermining himself in this docs eyes), and my daughter got a rash which has since disappeared.

"I don't know, but that medicine was safe for you but old, I would have prescribed something newer. But I don't know if it's scabies. If there is still soemthing in two more weeks and the other two have something, you are welcome to come back."

"Actually, that medicine has not had any studies done regarding its safety for pregnant women..."

"It's old. 30 years ago we never did any studies for anything. We gave it to pregnant women and they were fine. So it's fine."

"Interesting, " I say, knowing full well that studies have been done for all sorts of things for over 100 years but choosing not to argue.

"does the itching keep you up at night?"

"it did."

"(rolls eyes) does it now?"

"I'm treating the itch with tea tree oil, lavendar and chamemolile, so it is much more manageable. I also believe that since I did take one does of the scabies medication it would be alleviating some of the bumps."

"you need three doese of that, so no. And you aren't treating the itch. So it is not itching at night and it is probably not scabies. Here is a prescription for an antihistimine, it will make you drowsy so only take it at night and here is a prescription for a cream for the itch. I don't know why you have this, if it's scabies we will know in two weeks. You are welcome to come back."

"Is this cream a steroid?"

"yes, why should that matter to you?"

"because I have a right to know. What class is the antihistimine?"

"what are you talking about?"

"what class drug it it...A, B, C, D?"

"What does it matter?"

"I am pregnant and need to know if it is safe for a pregnant woman."

"do you think I would give you something that is NOT safe for a pregnant woman? I'm not stupid."

"Well, I don't really know you well enough to make that ascertation at this point, and doctors have made this mistake before"

"then you should have asked around about me."

"What class is it?"

"It's safe for pregnancy, I'm not stupid."

"You don't feel I have an obligation as a pregnant woman to inquire about whether or not the medication being prescribed for me is safe for me and my unborn baby?"

no answer.

"You are welcome to come back in two weeks." I leave. Appointment was 4 MINUTES long!

My husband goes back into the room. Dr. says:

"I understand that your wife is an American, and that we have to be patient with Americans, but I was the most patient possible with your wife."

Nice guy.

Oh, PS, steroids are CONTRAINDICATED in cases of scabies. So if there was even a QUESTION in this guys mind about me having scabies, which obviously there was since he sent me home with a paper all about scabies and telling me to come back if there is reason to in two weeks, that should NOT have been his drug of choice. Also, the issue of itching and whether or not I was currently suffering from it (which I am not after the TTO and Lavendar and Chamemile oil mixture) should have played a role in whether or not I needed something to treat the itching.

Oh, and it's funny that he would ask a "psychologically sensitive" woman, such as myself such a psychologically subjective question, such as "does it itch at night?" in order to make a diagnoses.

I'll be going back to my GP tomorrow.

*sigh*

PS, guy walks in after me, he's about 75 years old, and he has a rash on his leg. He sits down and says "look, this isn't going away, and it's just getting worse, and now I've got it on my head."

"I told you before that it is nothing and there is nothing I can do to help you. I don't know why you are here."

"What, so you are saying that I have to live with this my entire life?"

"There is nothing I can do, you've wasted my time."

The guy left before we did!

When I called my GP and told her that I saw a dermatologist and he said it wasn't scabies she said "oh, well if he's a dermatologist he's more of an expert than me in this field...so he's right."

"no," I say. "he is just a guy who has the word dermatologist attached to his name. Didn't mean that he graduated at the top of his class. A real doctor is one who listens to his/her patients and investigates the problem. I know what you are taught in medical school about making decisions with authority and confidence. That is important. But it is also important to not let your ego get bigger than your knowledge. If we don't know what this is, that's okay, we will investigate together. I don't need false confidences."

"really? wow, thanks. okay, come in tomorrow and we'll try to get a culture done if I can get the equiptment."


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Took DS to the doc when he was sick and having trouble breathing. Doc asked if DS was current on vax. Then made all kinds of comments about how she now has to worry about all kinds of disease since he isn't vaxed. Later she comes into the room to ask why DS is not vaxed--I state religious. She goes on to tell me about her working with families whose children have lost limbs from not being vaxed and other families whose children have died because they chose not to vax--now she said they are huge proponents of vaccinations. She told me there are little to no risk with vax and that the benefits definately outway the risks. I posted about this right after it happened, check it out: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=455559

Anyway, she is the only doc on base we can see, so lately if I have to take the DC to the doc we tend to go off base to a Japanese doc (they don't ask)--isn't it funny I would prefer a Japanese doc who doesn't speak any English to a this doc!!!

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Jul511riv you are awesome!! Good for you for not letting you get run over and for standing up for yourself! I hope you can get that culture done!

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Ironic, of course, since in some states (mine inc) homeschoolers are required to follow the same vax laws as everyone else .
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Read that Neem Tree Oil is a total cure (for like 98% according to the studies that have been done, when used in combination topically with tumeric) but I can't find it ANYWHERE in Israel for public consumption. Everyone thinks I"m a nut! Even at health food stores.

What to do?
Why do you need it for 'consumption' (presumably internal?) when you want it for topical usage? Just confused.

PS It worked well for dh's skin issues. Are there no Indian markets in Israel? (There are also nice turmeric creams, but I'd get the fresh rhizome if possible.)
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I didn 't mean consumption in the literal sense of eating it, I meant buying it...as it there is not a place that I have yet found that allows the public to buy it for their own personal use. It is being used in agriculture here, though.

And, no, I wasn't so brave. I just didn't want to burn any bridges, but I think I could have put my foot down far more and not let myself be bullied like that. Hindsight is 20/20

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Just a random thought, but it amuses me that doctors believe that medical school is the only place anyone can possible learn medicine, as though they are the priests of the dark ages with the only rights to holy scripture.

I know some blame the internet for spreading "false doctrine," but many of my conclusions about health and parenting were reached at my local library as a teenager. That was where I first learned about circumcision, for instance, and I decided never to circumcise my own sons if I ever had them. In high school I made a lot of my own skin care products out of my step-mother's culinary herbs and vowed I would cloth diapers like my older sister and never spank my children or call them names. I bought a spirulina mix for my morning fruit smoothies. I rarely watched TV and until I met my husband I rarely drank soda (we're both carbination addicts now - gotta work on that one).

And I learned, from going to doctor to doctor with no help for my mysterious uterine pains, that doctors do not know everything, and can be quite useless. All without the internet! All without access to a university medical library! All by myself with my own brain! My own brain that can read written wds and put a complete sentence together!

The end.
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I nanny a 12 month old and a 10 month old together. The 1 yr old just had her well baby visit on friday, and I had asked her mom to wait on Varivax for a couple of months because I didn't want the other baby to have any chance of catching cp (formula fed with eczema and food allergies, probably wouldn't fare well). I won't be watching her when she gets the cp vax, I will only have the little boy then.

She went to the appt friday and asked her doctor about it and he said that it was "medically impossible" for another baby to catch cp from her when she gets the vax! I told her that he had lied to her, and I explained a little about live virus vaccines and that she can look it up on the CDC's website. I just hope she realizes what a jerk he is! This is also the same doc that kicked my sister out for wanting to delay.
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Well my beloved pediatrician told me that vax exemptions were very rare and very hard to get and that if I was going to send my kids to school I HAD to get them vaxed. I live in Texas and have since found out there is a form to fill out and have notarized (not that hard it seems)
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Well my beloved pediatrician told me that vax exemptions were very rare and very hard to get and that if I was going to send my kids to school I HAD to get them vaxed. I live in Texas and have since found out there is a form to fill out and have notarized (not that hard it seems)
Hope your hand didn't get a cramp filling out that form.
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Well not really vax related, but a male-nurse once critized me for not retracting my sons foreskin for cleaning, (and a whole lot more that I will not get into because it raises my blood pressure to think about). I told him it wasnt needed and he told me that when he tried to retract my 8 week old son to insert a cath (because he had a fever and they wanted a clean catch urine sample) his foreskin wouldnt budge . Well since his foreskin wouldnt retract he then proceeds to tell me that he will need to be circumcised ASAP! And he yells at me for not circumcising my kid!


I have since learned a few things.......

I will never let anyone near my sons foreskin again, especially "medical professionals".


I should have punched that nurse in the face for treating me like that.



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One of my best friends inquired to her pediatrician recently about the MMR asking for it in individual shots because her nephew has autism and she was concerned. His responses:
1) The MMR is not available in individual shots.
(upon which she asked about skipping it)
2) It's against the law to not have your child vaxed for it.
3) Girls do not get autism.

ARGH!! She fell for it.... I felt like hitting my head against a wall. I wish someone would hide those pediatricians away.
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#328 of 666 Old 09-14-2006, 10:33 PM
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Whoa!!! What a topic! :

Way too many things to remember and quote, in fact, very little of what I hear from medical pros on the subject is not BS. But just the latest bestseller:

Formalin is a vitamin that is added to vaccines for better immunity and to prevent vitamin deficiency.



No firther questions for this one!
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How about the Ped in NICU:

We didn't know that we couldn't catheterize her, add radioactive dye to her bladder and take her off to radiology without your consent.

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Formalin is a vitamin that is added to vaccines for better immunity and to prevent vitamin deficiency.




Hoooleeeey sh*t. I did not just read that.
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