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Old 09-16-2006, 10:19 PM
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More pearls of medical scientific wisdom
This is actually a doctor writing on one of the vaccination discussion boards:

"Vaccination started in 1795, when the world population was one trillion people. Over two hundred years vaccination campaigns led to such a decline of childhood mortality that the population was able to reach six trilion people i.e. a sixfold rise in 200 years, in spite of a few major wars. Never before in human history there was even a twofold increase in population within 200 years. So it's worth considering when you think whether you should vaccinate your children or not..."

This is another doctor from an 'online conlultation' site:

"As a doctor, I am merely a source of information for you. Objective information, free of myths and prejudices"

From a local nurse:
"You don't understand. We are running an immunization campaign right now. During such campaigns even hospitalised children on IV drips get vaccinated"

(Mother) - What exactly do you inject in a Mantoux skin test?
(Nurse) - I have no idea. Something tubercular, I think... well, whatever they give us, we inject.
Note: in the last year there were at least two major 'accidents' reported in the country where large groups of children were injected wrong things - i.e. concentrated BCG vaccine instead of tuberculin solution for Mantoux - labelling errors.

Ahhhh... this one is from a star of Russian vaccinology, the author of a few textbooks

"Our children show worse reactions to imported vaccines in spite of their better technology" - this one is a perfect marketing handle, you wouldn't believe how many parents buy this (as well as the opposite - that imported vaccines are less contaminated and therefore give less reactions).

Another one by the same guy:
"Imported acellular vaccines are currently undergoing the licensing process in Russia. These vaccines will become available [for cash - Spy] for parents who are interested in lowering the risk of adverse reactions to vaccination.
The mass use of these vaccines [paid by taxpayers - Spy] is not viable due to higher cost and acceptable safety level of the current DPT vaccine"
'Current DPT vaccine' is the same wholecell monster the rest of the world has long forgotten!
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This is moderately off topic, but I figured no one would mind too much hearing another stupid doctor story.

About a year ago I had a hard lump in my breast about an inch in diameter. It worried me so much that I couldn't sleep, so I had it removed. It turned out that it was just a benign tumor.

A few weeks after the surgery, I went to the follow up visit with the surgeon. I told him that the nipple on the right breast (surgery breast) was very sore and downright painful to the touch. He looked at me like I had two heads, told me it had nothing to do with the surgery and instructed me to go see my gynecologist.

The nurse practitioner that I usually see was busy (and I was leaving the country), so I saw another doctor. He told me that it was stupid to have the tumor removed because women in their 20s never get breast cancer. (I know the chance was small, and in the same situation, I wouldn't do it again. Regardless . . . women in their 20s do get breast cancer.)

He then addressed my concern: "Your breasts aren't getting enough support, which is causing the pain. Go buy a Wonderbra." :

Needless to say, I was unsatisfied. I researched the hell out of the issue and found an explanation that seemed likely. Then, I went to a specialist just to be sure everything was fine (the trip I was going on was a long one). She explained about the inflammation and the purpose of white blood cells and the lymph system (which is what I had discovered in my research), and said to avoid taking pain medication to allow the lymphocytes to do their job. I was satisfied.

Buy a Wonderbra, indeed . . .

Edit: Okay. Maybe it's VERY off topic.
The next time someone tells me to go find a "pediatrician I trust" to get their advice on vaccinations instead of listening to the shipees ( ), or "trying" to research vaccinations on my own, I would love to answer back with this story.

"It should be a rule in all prophylactic work that no harm should ever be unnecessarily inflicted on a healthy person (Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunization, 1967)."
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The next time someone tells me to go find a "pediatrician I trust" to get their advice on vaccinations instead of listening to the shipees ( ), or "trying" to research vaccinations on my own, I would love to answer back with this story.
Nothing would please me more than for my negative experience to benefit someone else.
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Ms. Helena... I had a dear friend diagnosed with breast cancer while still in her twenties and while still exclusively breastfeeding her second child. That doc was an idiot indeed.
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"Vaccination started in 1795, when the world population was one trillion people. Over two hundred years vaccination campaigns led to such a decline of childhood mortality that the population was able to reach six trilion people i.e. a sixfold rise in 200 years, in spite of a few major wars. Never before in human history there was even a twofold increase in population within 200 years. So it's worth considering when you think whether you should vaccinate your children or not..."
: I don't know where to begin with the errors here.
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Soon-to-be approved vaccine can prevent cervical cancer; the question is, are people ready to accept it?

An article in today's Boston Globe about what peds are going to tell the parents of their patients to convince them to get the new HPV vaccine.
When I was pregnant with my second, the midwife and I were discussing this vaccine and she has done tons of research about it. It was her first day of an internship for her CNM, the pharmecutial reps were at the hospital and were touting the GREAT benefits of this shot and how it is marketed towards, pre-teen girls, my mw (bless her heart) had to speak up and ask 'why then are there contra-indications to administiring this to 11/12 year old girls?' The rep asked where she got 'that' information.

Ever so delicately, she responded 'from YOUR company inserts and the CDC'

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When I was pregnant with my second, the midwife and I were discussing this vaccine and she has done tons of research about it. It was her first day of an internship for her CNM, the pharmecutial reps were at the hospital and were touting the GREAT benefits of this shot and how it is marketed towards, pre-teen girls, my mw (bless her heart) had to speak up and ask 'why then are there contra-indications to administiring this to 11/12 year old girls?' The rep asked where she got 'that' information.

Ever so delicately, she responded 'from YOUR company inserts and the CDC'
Right on for her!!!
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"Vaccination started in 1795, when the world population was one trillion people. Over two hundred years vaccination campaigns led to such a decline of childhood mortality that the population was able to reach six trilion people i.e. a sixfold rise in 200 years, in spite of a few major wars. Never before in human history there was even a twofold increase in population within 200 years. So it's worth considering when you think whether you should vaccinate your children or not..."

Trillion? really doctor??:
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a bit of an update, I go to get the files of the dr that told me dd's feet were fine, and she was just trying to manipulate me.

Would you like to hear what is on her file?

I asked for an immunization waiver while at the dr's office the second time we went back for her foot pain.

It says Chief complaint:
1. immun. waiver going to do foster
2.c/o foot discomfort did health assessment see demo.

(he told me she was fine, toughen up mom, she's trying to manipulate to get carried)... He asked me to bring the preteen in to check her iron, nothing about checking this child's labs...

Again, the form in my file states well child visit, healthy. The back of the form says "Feet seem normal".
Diet-multiple parental initiated restrictions...no good reason given
pale normal for her

Continuing on with the form:

Homeschooled
cpx ok see form, review of symptoms, no symptoms checked on everything, including foot pain

no vaccines per parents paranoia

weird test for heavy metals

odd diet also no gluten, dairy, etc.

pt c/o feet hurt .. walk a while so mom carries

long discussion on all this & effect on child, health, mom continues

Clinical impressions
2. immunization deficient
3 nutritional courelnam assessment
1. feet hurt if walk much arches vs. other etiol
4. cpt ok mom didn't mention having medical cards until cp cp=long evaluation for stable neck ct

Treatments/mgmt options/course
1. I will not sign pts, mom's or any family members form to allow waiver of immunizaiton NO GOOD REASON ONLY
2. Encouraged mom to reconsider choices and give children normal evidence based care long discussion ..mom..choices
3. should do lab to be sure adequate nutrition
4. ok to see podiatrist prn for feet
advised to check lab to be sure nutritional status good mom said yes but never showed up for lab
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thats awful bestbirths!!! I would never see her again!
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Yeah, we transfered to a different office because I thought he thought I was crazy and my children's care was suffering as a result.
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I went to my doctor last month for my annual and the nurse really laid it on thick. I refused a tetnus booster. I should have been prepared, but didn't even think about it. She asked me why and without being ready I just blurted out that I had been doing research and wanted to do some more before I had any more shots. Well, she told me that I could get tetnus from a scratch and wouldn't it be a shame if I were to die and leave 2 little kids in this day and age......ARRRGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!:
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From a scratch??? We'd ALL be dead!
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Either we'd all be dead, or the doctors and pharmaceutical companies would be even richer from the long lines of freshly scratched individuals waiting for their fresh tetnus shot
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at all of these stories..

Just.. ..
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When Corbin was 12 months old they wanted to give him 5 shots in one day and a blood test for Tuberculosis. I wasn't having that. I told them that he could have Prevnar, since I had already researched it extensively and deemed it safe and since he'd had it before. My husband gets pneumonia a lot and has almost died from it, so I thought any decrease in risk for that would be good for our son. They wanted to give him MMR, Varicella, HiB, and Hep A, too. I decided to not give him MMR & Varicella, at least at that time since they are highly reactive. I researched HiB, which also seemed very safe and nonreactive, so I decided he could have that.

When I came in, the nurse said "Well, he is getting four shots today." They were out of Hep A and couldn't do Tb tests that day. I said "No, he is getting two: Prevnar and HiB." She said "Well, he definitely needs an MMR. There is an outbreak right now." Corey and I were amused and decided to play along. "Oh, my, really? How many cases have you head?" The nurse says "Well, we've had just one in our clinic, a 2 1/2 year old." Corey and I were like "Well, the odds our one year old is going to come in contact with that ONE toddler while he or she is still contagious are very low, but thanks anyway." We still giggle about it when we remember it.

I figure if he gets Hep A at all, he can have it when he's much older. It's not a fatal disease; it's easily treated. Why does he need to be vaccinated for that?! That's like circumcising to prevent UTI which is quite easily and quickly treatible with antibiotics. We're not going to give him Varicella at all. If he hasn't got it by the time he's, say, 10, we'll probably give it to him in hopes that he won't get it as an adult. As for the MMR, I don't even know about that one yet. He's not getting it now. Three months later our son hasn't had it and so far hasn't got the mumps which were 'going around' haha

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Either we'd all be dead, or the doctors and pharmaceutical companies would be even richer from the long lines of freshly scratched individuals waiting for their fresh tetnus shot
It's all coming together now...........:
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This isn't a crazy story like the other ladies here have but...

We went to the ER on Friday to get stiches for ds, almost 2 yo. I asked the ped. in advance if I needed to know about his last tetanus shot (ds got tetanus before by a different ped...long story) and the ped. reasssured me there would be no issue. I didn't even think it was an issue since it wasn't like he had gotten cut very deeply and certainly not by anything metal, etc...

We get to the ER and what's one of the first questions they ask??? "Is he up to date on his vaxes?" What does vax status have to do with a cut above his eye? Does the MMR have some magic over stiches? (please note heavy sarcasm)

We're still researching vaxes so ds isn't up-to-date but fortunately someone chimed in that ds had a well-baby visit earlier in the week and the ped. was on top of it. I got saved from having to answer.

I had a smiliar thing happen in April when ds, 3yo needed stitches. It seems kind of strange to me to ask about vaxes at such a time, kwim?
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My ped tried to feed me/my mom some junk about how x-number of people in the population had Hep B (I think that's what it was he wanted to give me) and that if I was ever in a car accident and someone bled on me, I would be at a huge risk. My mom just told him we prefered to get our vax from the county health office coz it's cheaper, and we left. After we got into the car, she said that if that same number of people just in AR alone had Hep B the chances of someone bleeding on anyone else and infecting them was still tiny!!!

I remember this coz I was about 14 and still went to the ped. now I just don't have a doctor.

She also said that they wanted to give that vax to my sister when she was born 6 weeks premature, mom just told the Dr's that she was too little and we'd get it later (of course we never did).
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Vaccines make their immune system stronger!

But nowadays there are 3 or 4 vaccines combined in one shot!
(as if it was the actual shot I was worried about.)

Your kids will never get into school unless they are up to date on their shots. This happens every freakin time I take the kids to the doctor. The ironic thing is that it is super easy to get an exemption in my state.

We have also been kicked out of pediatric practices for not vaxing according to schedule.
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: : : : : : : : that is just a few of the things I did while reading this thread. Just goes to show that no matter how "educated" someone is they can still be :

I dont have anything on vax but I did have to push one peds hands away from my ds penis at his 2mo wbv, when he tried to retract him. The reason he gave me for why he tried to? " I was just checking to see how open it was" wth???
Another ped at his 4mo wbv I explained to him that I didnt want ds retracted and please not try to do that. What does he do when he checks him??....you guessed it he tried to retract him

That was the last wbv ds has been to. I decided to stop vaxing around that time to when I found mdc. Just wish I had known years earlier that I could have refused and maybe saved dd from some health issues and ds from his first 2 rounds of vax.

 
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My mother and I are both enjoying this thread immensely -
I was told (as a single teen mother on medecaid) that if I did not vaccinate my name would go on the list of "bad mothers" that CPS has on file, and if anything else ever happened with dd (ER visit, etc.) it would show up and they would take her away from me.
I was told this AGAIN when I took her out of the hospital AMA when she had hip displasia (sp?) by a totally different doctor. Is this some kind of script they are given to scare young girls?
I was told that even though I was opposed to the newborn interventions (eyedrops, vit. k, hep. b, diabetes stick) for ds (7 years later as an over-20 married woman) I should get them because I tested positive for group B strep and that made him "at higher risk" for the things the shot/drops protect him from. I got away with no drops and no hep. B, they did the vit. K and talked dh into the diabetes stick while I was in the shower!
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lol.

Eye drops at birth protect the baby from ALL the viruses (VIRUSES?!?!??!?!) and bacteria that are in the birth canal. And since I was group B positive, that was a HUGE risk for my baby as well (who was IN the bag of waters as I pushed her out).

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talking to a friends wife who's a resident:
"well, they took thimerosal out of all vaxes except MMR and chicken pox"
me: "MMR and CP are live virus vaxes, they never had thimerosal"
resident: "no, its just the opposite. those two have to have thimerosal because they're live virus vaxes"
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from a family member M.D.: "drug companies would never manufacture a vaccine for children that wasn't safe..."

from two former pediatricians: "...if vaccines weren't safe, then there would be a lot out there saying as such...like on the news and in the papers..."

"vaccines have wiped out so many dangerous diseases that by not vaccinating they will all come back..."

"...but the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends it - so you should do it." I loved that one!
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You know, I'd already decided we'd be delaying any vaxes. These comments (esp. the one from way back in May about "those aren't considered serious vaccine reactions) are really making me think that my future kids might just not get any vaccines at all.
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Oh I have one.. but its for the pre-nantal rho-gam shot..

My lovely doctor said that not getting the shot was like doing heroin....:

I don't get it but ya thats what she said....

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My mother and I are both enjoying this thread immensely -
I was told (as a single teen mother on medecaid) that if I did not vaccinate my name would go on the list of "bad mothers" that CPS has on file, and if anything else ever happened with dd (ER visit, etc.) it would show up and they would take her away from me.
I was told this AGAIN when I took her out of the hospital AMA when she had hip displasia (sp?) by a totally different doctor. Is this some kind of script they are given to scare young girls?
I was told that even though I was opposed to the newborn interventions (eyedrops, vit. k, hep. b, diabetes stick) for ds (7 years later as an over-20 married woman) I should get them because I tested positive for group B strep and that made him "at higher risk" for the things the shot/drops protect him from. I got away with no drops and no hep. B, they did the vit. K and talked dh into the diabetes stick while I was in the shower!
Oh, I KNOW! I was a single mom at 18 on medicaid, and when my first ped heard I wasn't planning on vaxing, he told me mom "oh, I'll talk to her!" This ped just happened to be MY ped when I was a kid too. Nutso. They also tried to give my dd a SPINAL TAP at the ER because she wasn't vaxed-(I orginally brought her in to have someone look at her ears.) It's funny, now at 24 I don't questioned nearly as much, and I don't look much older.

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