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I'm not surprised. I remember when my mom had my younger brother (now 24) and the stroller she had faced her at all times. I don't even think she used the option to face it outward. BTW, what strollers have a rear facing option? They're viritually impossible to find. Just another nod for babywearing.

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Funny, I was just coming here to post this myself! I only wish the article had said that maybe parents need to rethink their frequent use of strollers, instead of just the manufacturers rethinking the design of them. Oh well...it's still another validation for babywearing.
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Another study proving what us mamas knew all along!
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I wish they'd stated the ages of the children in the study. The single stroller I used for DD1 (as opposed to the double stroller I used after DD2 was born) had the adjustable handle so I could face DD towards me or away from me- and after a year old she usually WANTED to face outwards to see where we were going. She simply wasn't as happy facing me and riding backwards.

It just seems rather simplistic to say "parents didn't look at their babies much WHILE PUSHING THE STROLLER" therefore they spent less time interacting with them total throughout the day. Maybe the ones who interacted less during the walk made up for it when they stopped.

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The only rear-facing strollers I've seen are the ones where you attach an infant car seat, or if it's an old-fashioned "buggy" style stroller. I've never seen a rear-facing toddler or older child.

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i know those Bugaboo strollers allow you to have the child facing you. they're really expensive, though. i knew a bunch of people who had them when i lived in he city and it did seem like a nice feature if you were the type to use your stroller a lot.

i'm interested to read the whole study. i'm interested, too, in whether the stress was reduced if the parent was talking to the child even though they couldn't make eye contact? i used to talk to my DD1 whenever she was riding in her stroller. i wonder if interaction negates that feeling of stress, or whether it's more to do with whether the child can see the parent?

interestingly, this is one of the troubles i have with rear-facing carseats. because my child can't see me, they get upset more frequently and it's harder to calm them down. obviously there's safety at play also, i'm not suggesting we turn baby's carseats around, but it's always bothered me. it's the only situation *ever* where i can't always get to them when they need me and they often have cried as a result. it makes me feel horrid.
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As far as I know you can only get the rear facing option with Orbit, Bugaboo or other $1000 strollers.

We don't need studies to tell us that babies need/crave/respond to eye contact and physical closeness. It's just not rocket science!!
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Watch the demo on this one. I LOVE this one, but then I used a baby wrap for the infant stage. And I use it in all directions with my 3 year old looking at baby if she's facing away from me.
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I wonder if the same logic applies to wearing babies on the parent's front facing forward or wearing the baby on the parent's back. No eye contact there either and probably less interaction especially for backwearing.

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As far as I know you can only get the rear facing option with Orbit, Bugaboo or other $1000 strollers.

We don't need studies to tell us that babies need/crave/respond to eye contact and physical closeness. It's just not rocket science!!
ITA about the importance of holding our babes, but just wanted to add... I did find a Kolcraft Contours (yea for Craigslist) for $70 (I think it's around 120.00 new?) which faces either direction. You lift up the whole seat and snap it in the other way, rather than the handle switching. It works well, although it is on the heavy side.

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Zooper strollers can be rear faced.

I'd be curious to know if the same thing holds true for babies that are worn facing out. My babies preferred to be faced out in the mei tai/BabyTrekker as soon as they could hold their heads up reliably. I wonder if the direct contact negates any sort of excess stress/anxiety?

ETA: Or what Griffin2004 said

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Yay slings! No if only we could convice them to feed their babies food that is beneficial to the baby...
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Quinny Buzz
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Okay, those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. I know there are more, but my brain gave out after that.

Many of these also come with or have an available bassinet for infant stage when baby should be laying flat if in a stroller (or of course you could wear baby).

I LOVE the reversible seat option for our winter walks when it's not safe to babywear due to the high probability of slipping and falling onto hard, lumpy ice and injuring baby. Or if you do super long walks where it gets difficult to carry a baby for so long (due to possibly having to carry groceries or other things with you).

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Huh. My stroller had a facing-me option for young babies--the carseat capsule just slotted in. Rowan hated walks in the stroller (she hated being worn too, so the stroller it was if we had to go out--or more likely, me pushing the stroller and holding the baby!). As soon as she was big enough to go in the stroller facing away from me (no capsule, wedged in with blankets, sitting up and viewing the world), she loved it! I think it was partly getting to see where she was going, and partly the more comfortable incline--she always hated the semi-reclining carseat position and preferred to sit up straight.

I do talk to her a lot though, even though she's facing away from me. I get a lot of odd looks; people tend to assume I'm just muttering crazily to myself.

How much time did the babies in the study spend in the strollers, I have to wonder?? Surely a parent who spends most of the day interacting with a baby, then puts it in a stroller for a 20-minute walk, isn't risking its emotional development (even if she does basically ignore it for the whole 20 minutes). Unless babies are spending several hours a day in the strollers, or the parents aren't interacting sufficiently with them in non-stroller hours, it seems fishy to me that their wee psyches would be as devastated as the article claimed.

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interesting question about back carries and forward facing out. i've always noticed FFO carries to be over-stimulating to my babies - even though they like watching the action, FFO doesn't allow them to get a break from it. which is why i've always preferred high back carries, so they can see over my shoulder but still snuggle down away from the action if they wanted to. also, that way while they can see the world they can also still see as well as feel mama. but i do talk to my babies even when they're on my back. obviously no eye contact, but with a high back carry their head is right next to yours so there's still a lot of interaction. and i would imagine that having the physical closeness would negate the eye contact and even talking thing. i mean you don't have eye contact with or talk to your baby every minute of every day and that's fine, i think with the stroller thing it's more about not having the security of mama while at the same time having all the stimulation of of the world around. at least, that's what it seems like to me.
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It probably very much depends on the baby . It's an interesting study.

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The conclusions drawn by this article are ridiculous. Finding that kids don't interact with their parents as much when they're facing away from them is a no brainer--of course you don't interact as much when you're facing away from someone. But to then extrapolate and say that this decrease in interaction "could risk long-term development problems in their children" is jumping to rather insane conclusions. The study did not follow these kids for any long length of time, nor did it study their long or even short term development. Just more junk science thrown out there to make people feel bad about their parenting choices and to sell more expensive equipment.

For the record, I wore my first child almost exclusively on my back, facing inward, of course. My second doesn't like facing in (keeps trying to either crane around or burrow under my arm) so I wear her facing out. Neither one interacts with me when they're being worn--they're too interested in the outside world. I know the signs of stress with my youngest--with a 3 year old sister who loves to "help", I've learned to see her stress signals easily. When she is facing outward, be it in her carrier or a stroller, she isn't stressed. Oddly enough, when I have used the stroller frame that holds her carseat (facing me, of course), she hasn't enjoyed it. Since I switched to an outward stroller, she has been happier going for walks.
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ITA about the importance of holding our babes, but just wanted to add... I did find a Kolcraft Contours (yea for Craigslist) for $70 (I think it's around 120.00 new?) which faces either direction. You lift up the whole seat and snap it in the other way, rather than the handle switching. It works well, although it is on the heavy side.
Yeah, I like my Kolcraft, and it works with pretty much and carseat, altho' I don't know about the Graco Saferide. But My DD likes facing out now and when we walk, DH is pretty much always with us and we constantly talk to each other, to her, point out things we see, tuck her blankie, etc. I mean, I just don't get walking along and not interacting.

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ITA about the importance of holding our babes, but just wanted to add... I did find a Kolcraft Contours (yea for Craigslist) for $70 (I think it's around 120.00 new?) which faces either direction. You lift up the whole seat and snap it in the other way, rather than the handle switching. It works well, although it is on the heavy side.
Yeah, I like my Kolcraft, and it works with pretty much and carseat, altho' I don't know about the Graco Saferide. But My DD likes facing out now and when we walk, DH is pretty much always with us and we constantly talk to each other, to her, point out things we see, tuck her blankie, etc. I mean, I just don't get walking along and not interacting.

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This research has been mis-represented. The National Literacy Trust who commissioned the research exists to carry out research into literacy in the UK and factors that affect it.

In this country there is concern over the fact that children arriving at school aged 5 have poor communication skills. The NLT chose the buggy aspect for this study but this is just one of a great number of studies it has carried out over the past 15 years.

As pps have said, children in the UK can spend a great part of their day in a buggy whilst their siblings walk to school (a walk of up to 30 mins each way is not uncommon) or while their mum walks to the shops or to visit friends. It is not uncommon for a child to be strapped in at 8.30 to set off to school then stay in the buggy round the shops during the morning and not get out until after the sibling has been collected from nursery at midday and arrived at home again. I see young children stuck in buggies like this every day and some of them are my friends' children

I work with adults who want to improve their literacy and they are often very frustrated that so many people have let them down. If we can encourage more people - parents and others in wider society - to talk to children from a young age then at least we are doing something to see if we can bump them away from a lifetime of poor communication and improve their life chances.

This research is NOT about selling more expensive pushchairs.

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As pps have said, children in the UK can spend a great part of their day in a buggy whilst their siblings walk to school (a walk of up to 30 mins each way is not uncommon) or while their mum walks to the shops or to visit friends. It is not uncommon for a child to be strapped in at 8.30 to set off to school then stay in the buggy round the shops during the morning and not get out until after the sibling has been collected from nursery at midday and arrived at home again. I see young children stuck in buggies like this every day and some of them are my friends' children
At first I was shocked when I read this, but then I realised that this is probably the equivalent to carseat time for many children in North America. I'd prefer the UK problem actually, because baby-wearing solves it, whereas this is not possible in a motor vehicle. Of course, my solution to not strapping my dc in for hours every day has been to not go anywhere which is also not ideal... If only I could wear all four of them on a sled with dogs

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