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sdbeachy's Avatar sdbeachy 11:25 AM 02-23-2010
I'm curious: Are there any formula companies that the Mothering lactivist community would recommend? Any that are NOT violators of the WHO code of marketing?

FWIW, my 11 month old (today!) has never had any nipple in his mouth but a human one, nor any milk but mine. I'm asking for two reasons:

1. A few of my acquaintances do supplement or formula feed. If it comes up in conversation, I'd like to be able to mention the "ethical" brands of formula.

2. So many formula companies make a million other baby products. I try to avoid those made by Nestle/Gerber, Carnation, etc. Are there any large companies that SHOULDN'T be on my "bad list"? (Side note: I'm in 100% support of shopping at thrift stores and buying local-made, handmade items. But for those rare occasions when we seem to "need" a commercial product. . ?)

Thanks so much!

CrunchyGina's Avatar CrunchyGina 04:35 PM 02-23-2010
I know for me it'd have to be some rare circumstance in which I'd actually recommend formula. I'd offer them pumped milk instead. I'm not a WHO code violator lol!
Carter'sMummy's Avatar Carter'sMummy 05:26 PM 02-23-2010
what about simulac? ive been using it since birth, cj was a nicu baby and recieved it. i dont find the marketing too misleading or "shove down your throat" i still use it sometimes now. my naturopath reccommends nutramigen which is enfamil if one must use formula, its expensive but non cow-milk based
PatioGardener's Avatar PatioGardener 06:04 PM 02-23-2010
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what about simulac?
At least in Canada, Similac's products have babies on the can/label. That's a WHO code violation. Also I think they send out formula samples to doctor's offices - another code violation.
sdbeachy's Avatar sdbeachy 12:59 AM 02-24-2010
Yes, and Similac is also mentioned as a violator here:
http://www.phdinparenting.com/2009/05/04/sabotage/

CrunchyGina, I should have phrased my first line of my post differently--I wouldn't recommend formula either! I hope the rest of my post was more clear about what I was getting at.
boobs4milk's Avatar boobs4milk 03:28 AM 02-24-2010
i don't think there are any commercially prepared formulas in the u.s. that do not advertise. even the parent's choice brand is put in the wal-mart ads for baby week.
jsnmom's Avatar jsnmom 04:08 AM 02-24-2010
what about this one?

http://www.naturesone.com/dairy/
Kailey's mom's Avatar Kailey's mom 04:19 AM 02-24-2010
Elecare. No babies on the can. It's an elemental medical food for kids with severe GI problems and food allergies. There is no baby pics on Neocate either. I never even heard of these until my dd was a year old.
CorasMama's Avatar CorasMama 07:25 AM 02-24-2010
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I know for me it'd have to be some rare circumstance in which I'd actually recommend formula. I'd offer them pumped milk instead. I'm not a WHO code violator lol!
Pumped milk isn't a viable option for most. There just simply isn't a free-flowing source of sufficient, tested, available donor milk enough for 99.9% of moms.

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what about simulac? ive been using it since birth, cj was a nicu baby and recieved it. i dont find the marketing too misleading or "shove down your throat" i still use it sometimes now. my naturopath reccommends nutramigen which is enfamil if one must use formula, its expensive but non cow-milk based
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Elecare. No babies on the can. It's an elemental medical food for kids with severe GI problems and food allergies. There is no baby pics on Neocate either. I never even heard of these until my dd was a year old.
Nutramigen, Neocate, and Elecare are specialized formulas that shouldn't be used without a doctor's recommendation.
Equuskia's Avatar Equuskia 12:34 PM 02-24-2010
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Originally Posted by sdbeachy View Post
I'm curious: Are there any formula companies that the Mothering lactivist community would recommend? Any that are NOT violators of the WHO code of marketing?

FWIW, my 11 month old (today!) has never had any nipple in his mouth but a human one, nor any milk but mine. I'm asking for two reasons:

1. A few of my acquaintances do supplement or formula feed. If it comes up in conversation, I'd like to be able to mention the "ethical" brands of formula.

2. So many formula companies make a million other baby products. I try to avoid those made by Nestle/Gerber, Carnation, etc. Are there any large companies that SHOULDN'T be on my "bad list"? (Side note: I'm in 100% support of shopping at thrift stores and buying local-made, handmade items. But for those rare occasions when we seem to "need" a commercial product. . ?)

Thanks so much!
While this is a great idea in theory, it just doesn't work for formula. Some babies can only tolerate a certain formula. Some babies can only tolerate Nestlé good start for example, but giving the baby another formula which can cause gastic discomfort or distress in the name of "ethics" is....kinda cruel. As for the Nestlé boycott, yes, all their products are boycotted except their formula, because a baby has to eat, even if it's Nestlé.
Ceinwen's Avatar Ceinwen 12:41 PM 02-24-2010
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While this is a great idea in theory, it just doesn't work for formula. Some babies can only tolerate a certain formula. Some babies can only tolerate Nestlé good start for example, but giving the baby another formula which can cause gastic discomfort or distress in the name of "ethics" is....kinda cruel. As for the Nestlé boycott, yes, all their products are boycotted except their formula, because a baby has to eat, even if it's Nestlé.
This was us. I was the most ardent Nestle boycott supporter... until my milk unexpectedly dried up (even with the work of multiple IBCLC & my midwife, medications, acupuncture, I could go on and on - it was horrific) and the only formula my dd would tolerate was Good Start.

It was at the point where I'd be crying while making bottles because the thought of feeding her something that wasn't human milk was killing me - and the fact that it was made by Nestle was like a stick in the eye.

Anyway, I have no good advice here. Only that for some people, the reach for a can of whatever formula, is often a last resort.
hakeber's Avatar hakeber 01:15 PM 02-24-2010
reading this thread made me very curious...what would the WHO reccommend...well I found this:

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publication...9241562218.pdf

here is what it says on the matter:

Quote:
For infants who do not receive breast milk, feeding with a suitable
breast-milk substitute – for example an infant formula prepared in
accordance with applicable Codex Alimentarius standards, or a
home-prepared formula with micronutrient supplements
– should
be demonstrated only by health workers, or other community workers
if necessary, and only to the mothers and other family members
who need to use it; and the information given should include adequate
instructions for appropriate preparation and the health hazards
of inappropriate preparation and use. Infants who are not
breastfed, for whatever reason, should receive special attention from
the health and social welfare system since they constitute a risk
group.
Then I read the code:

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/9241541601.pdf

As far as I can tell there are no formula companies that do not market their product in some way, and they certainly have no control over what indiviual supermarkets do to market the product.

I have to conclude that basically what the WHO is saying is that ANY formula NOT distributed by a doctor and under her/his close supervision is in violation of the marketing code in one way or another. Labelling seems to be something they can all get on board with, but then since in the developing world the literacy rate is pretty poor, and even in places where it is high loads of people never bother to read them, this is not much of a concession.

I would probably tell a friend who is considering using formula and who cares about ethics, to talk to their doctor, otherwise they really shouldn't be using formula...but I am obnoxious like that.
hakeber's Avatar hakeber 01:23 PM 02-24-2010
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while this is a great idea in theory, it just doesn't work for formula. Some babies can only tolerate a certain formula. Some babies can only tolerate nestlé good start for example, but giving the baby another formula which can cause gastic discomfort or distress in the name of "ethics" is....kinda cruel. As for the nestlé boycott, yes, all their products are boycotted except their formula, because a baby has to eat, even if it's nestlé.
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ein328's Avatar ein328 01:28 PM 02-24-2010
[QUOTE=CorasMama;15108858]Pumped milk isn't a viable option for most. There just simply isn't a free-flowing source of sufficient, tested, available donor milk enough for 99.9% of moms.QUOTE]

Ummmm I have been on MilkShare for the past month trying to find a home for 300+ oz of breastmilk- and, like most of the women on the site, have clean test results to boot. There is lots of donor milk out there- if you know where to look. I would refer her to MilkShare. Even if you can't give 100% bm, some is better than none.
GreenGranolaMama's Avatar GreenGranolaMama 01:40 PM 02-24-2010
I've noticed a few organic formulas, one was Earths Best and the other was Vermont Organics (we don't formula feed, and I don't think I ever would unless it became completely necessary- and the smell of formula grosses me out) but I was intrigued enough to read the labels as I didn't know organic formula existed. I'm pretty sure neither had a picture of a baby on the can and nether advertise as far as I know, does anyone have a copy of the WHO code they could send me a link to? I would love to read it, maybe these formulas are compliant?
hakeber's Avatar hakeber 01:57 PM 02-24-2010
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I've noticed a few organic formulas, one was Earths Best and the other was Vermont Organics (we don't formula feed, and I don't think I ever would unless it became completely necessary- and the smell of formula grosses me out) but I was intrigued enough to read the labels as I didn't know organic formula existed. I'm pretty sure neither had a picture of a baby on the can and nether advertise as far as I know, does anyone have a copy of the WHO code they could send me a link to? I would love to read it, maybe these formulas are compliant?
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/9241541601.pdf
GreenGranolaMama's Avatar GreenGranolaMama 02:04 PM 02-24-2010
I'll have to double back and read it in depth, but after skimming the code, it looks as though Vermont Organics and EarthsBest are both compliant?
CrunchyGina's Avatar CrunchyGina 02:21 PM 02-24-2010
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Pumped milk isn't a viable option for most. There just simply isn't a free-flowing source of sufficient, tested, available donor milk enough for 99.9% of moms.
I answered for what I would recommend. If someone asks ME for a good formula, I would instead offer MY breastmilk.
Ceinwen's Avatar Ceinwen 02:27 PM 02-24-2010
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Pumped milk isn't a viable option for most. There just simply isn't a free-flowing source of sufficient, tested, available donor milk enough for 99.9% of moms.QUOTE]

Ummmm I have been on MilkShare for the past month trying to find a home for 300+ oz of breastmilk- and, like most of the women on the site, have clean test results to boot. There is lots of donor milk out there- if you know where to look. I would refer her to MilkShare. Even if you can't give 100% bm, some is better than none.
I'm in northern Ontario, where the shipping would be prohibitive, and while you are correct that some human milk is better than none, this doesn't completely preclude the necessity of formula for some babies. And to the pp who remarked re: seeing a physician, we did - and unfortunately, Good Start was what she ultimately recommended (in consultation with my IBCLC and midwife)
hakeber's Avatar hakeber 02:58 PM 02-24-2010
Why unfortunately? If that's what your healthacre provider feels works, than that that's what works. The WHO is only concerned that mothers are not encouraged to walk into a store and pick up whatever brand is on special or whatever brand they saw on TV or whatever brand they saw such and such a celebrity using.

The purpose of the marketing code is to make sure mothers who need help feeding their babies for whatever reason, be it nature or choice, are encouraged to seek professional help to protect the health of their babies. End of story.
jeanine123's Avatar jeanine123 04:50 PM 02-24-2010
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As for the Nestlé boycott, yes, all their products are boycotted except their formula, because a baby has to eat, even if it's Nestlé.
Do you have a link to this exclusion? Or could you point me in the right direction to find it? I've heard it before but when I went looking for it last week I came up empty, though it could have been because I was using the wrong search terms or just didn't have enough time. I'd love to have this info for future use, thanks!!
Hopesmommy's Avatar Hopesmommy 05:19 PM 02-24-2010
I think that Baby's Only may be WHO compliant, unless I missed something. They are labeled as a toddler formula simply because they believe that breastmilk is the ideal choice before 12 months. It can still be used for infants if needed.
jeanine123's Avatar jeanine123 06:11 PM 02-24-2010
But on their website they have a cute little baby on all fours looking at you, not a walking toddler.

http://www.naturesone.com/dairy/
boobs4milk's Avatar boobs4milk 07:46 PM 02-24-2010
the special stuff you get in the hospital wouldn't be compliant. the hospitals buy the formula and are given freebies like bibs, pacifiers and bottles. i saw a continer of the neocate in the storage area of the nicu and it came with free bottles.

eta: and all of the freebies say the name of the formula...so is that advertising?
jeanine123's Avatar jeanine123 08:09 PM 02-24-2010
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eta: and all of the freebies say the name of the formula...so is that advertising?

Yep. It's getting the product's name out there.
amydiane's Avatar amydiane 08:54 PM 02-24-2010
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Nutramigen, Neocate, and Elecare are specialized formulas that shouldn't be used without a doctor's recommendation.
Also, Elecare is made by Abbott, parent company of Similac.
boobs4milk's Avatar boobs4milk 11:04 PM 02-24-2010
nutramigen is enfamil and i just went to the neocate website and there's a baby grabbing at a bottle on the front page.
KimberlyD0's Avatar KimberlyD0 02:17 AM 02-25-2010
[QUOTE=ein328;15109565]
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Originally Posted by CorasMama View Post
Pumped milk isn't a viable option for most. There just simply isn't a free-flowing source of sufficient, tested, available donor milk enough for 99.9% of moms.QUOTE]

Ummmm I have been on MilkShare for the past month trying to find a home for 300+ oz of breastmilk- and, like most of the women on the site, have clean test results to boot. There is lots of donor milk out there- if you know where to look. I would refer her to MilkShare. Even if you can't give 100% bm, some is better than none.
It should also be noted that Doner BM is avalible to only special need babies and preemies. Its also $3.5 an OZ

least thats the information we got from the Canadian Milk Bank when I was unable to BF my first DD. Its likly similer in the US

Doner milk, while better then formula, is saddly not always an option

Canada BTW has only one milk bank.
StoriesInTheSoil's Avatar StoriesInTheSoil 03:04 AM 02-25-2010
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It should also be noted that Doner BM is avalible to only special need babies and preemies. Its also $3.5 an OZ

least thats the information we got from the Canadian Milk Bank when I was unable to BF my first DD. Its likly similer in the US

Doner milk, while better then formula, is saddly not always an option

Canada BTW has only one milk bank.
Yes, banked milk can be cost-prohibitive but banked milk is not the only donor milk that is available.
Ceinwen's Avatar Ceinwen 06:02 AM 02-25-2010
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Yes, banked milk can be cost-prohibitive but banked milk is not the only donor milk that is available.
Be that as it may, this means nothing if you have no other sources of milk - period.
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