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#31 of 43 Old 08-07-2010, 06:48 PM
 
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I want to read the whole article. The main thing that gets me about the Fox report is the horrible quotes from the doc As someone esle said, it must be impossible to bf! I expect this from FOX.

I can't help but love it that she called formula "chemical food."
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And let's remember that if Gisele had been giving the interview in Portuguese, she might have come across completely differently...maybe her word choices in English just aren't the most accurate to express how she feels???

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As far as the "every woman should breastfeed for 6 months" thing goes, that would work a HECK of a lot better if working moms got more the 4-8 weeks off after their babies are born.
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Yes, Gisele - th ebiggest impediment I faced as a nursing mother was having to return to work - not finding a pump that worked well - supplementing early, turning to solids early, etc...etc... I guess I should have saved more money from my lingerie shoots....

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Wow... my opinions on BF'ing are a little extreme to some (count me in the 'prescription-only formula' group) but even I find that legislation horrifying.

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Deleted - changed my mind .
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And with remarks like Dr. Alvarez's, who makes breastfeeding seem like an impossible ideal, who can expect ANYONE to breastfeed????!!! After all, it's SOOOO hard!
I find this comment pretty offensive. While I can see how Dr. Alvares's comments come across that way, I think he was just trying to give examples of people who have a harder time breastfeeding. Anyway, the last part of your comment really bothers me, because it feels mocking to those who have had a terrible time trying to breastfeed, whether they succeeded or not. It may have been easy for you, which I am glad of, but for lots of mothers, it's extremely difficult and painful. I've heard numerous stories, and you can pop your head into Breastfeeding Challenges to see for yourself. If I had gone through that, and someone said, "After all, it's SOOOO hard!" I would have been really hurt.

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I have honestly thought for a while that formula should be by prescription only. That breastfeeding should be the assumed norm, and that only in the rare case that is absolutely cannot work should formula be used. ESPECIALLY in WIC cases or other government assistance programs.
While I can understand the sentiment, I have to disagree. I think if this happened, we'd have lots of people giving their babies straight cow's milk, which is far worse than formula. I think, instead of making formula nearly illegal, we should have laws that let mothers stay home longer. I think a big reason a lot of women quit is because they can't or don't want to pump at work.

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Maybe there could be a clause in the law to allow for pumping and bottle feeding in case of extreme circumstances.
I'm not sure I quite understand your comment. You didn't say whether you agreed with Giselle's "statement" or not. If I am reading this correctly, you are saying that women should be required to breastfeed, but some can be allowed to pump? I completely disagree. How on earth could any woman go to work after having a baby? The way our (in the US, anyway) system works, most households need to have two adults working. Also, I fully believe that every woman should have a right to choose to go back to work. If this law was in place, and pumping was only allowed in extreme circumstances...yikes.

All in all, breast is best. We all know that. You are never going to find me supporting something like this, though, because, in my opinion, having formula fed babies is a way lesser evil than not giving women the right to choose. Instead, we should be encouraging (not guilting) women to breastfeed and supporting those who choose to. It should be made as easy and accessible as possible.

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I'm not sure I quite understand your comment. You didn't say whether you agreed with Giselle's "statement" or not. If I am reading this correctly, you are saying that women should be required to breastfeed, but some can be allowed to pump? I completely disagree. How on earth could any woman go to work after having a baby? The way our (in the US, anyway) system works, most households need to have two adults working. Also, I fully believe that every woman should have a right to choose to go back to work. If this law was in place, and pumping was only allowed in extreme circumstances...yikes.
It was sarcasm, and I did say earlier in the thread that I thought Ms. Bundchen's comments were not helpful.
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All in all, breast is best. We all know that. You are never going to find me supporting something like this, though, because, in my opinion, having formula fed babies is a way lesser evil than not giving women the right to choose. Instead, we should be encouraging (not guilting) women to breastfeed and supporting those who choose to. It should be made as easy and accessible as possible.
(Just discussing...thinking out loud, perhaps...I'm finding this issue quite interesting actually so please don't think I'm being antagonistic.)

But how far do we take the woman's right to choose and ignore a baby's right? Should we have the right to choose to not use a carseat, or sit baby on our laps while driving (as in some countries)? To discipline/punish our children *any* way we see fit? This is what I found interesting about the Indonesian legislation (which did include exemption in case of "medical problems") - that it focussed on the right of the child to breastmilk. A balance, perhaps, beginning with more information so that mothers at the very least can make a truly *informed* choice.

I *totally* agree that breastfeeding should be made as easy and accessible as possible - with skilled breastfeeding support available to *all* mothers and their families for as long as they need or want it. Also employers need to be truly and practically supportive of breastfeeding, not just pay lip-service to it - and if legislation is the way to go on this count, then so be it.
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But how far do we take the woman's right to choose and ignore a baby's right? Should we have the right to choose to not use a carseat, or sit baby on our laps while driving (as in some countries)? To discipline/punish our children *any* way we see fit? This is what I found interesting about the Indonesian legislation (which did include exemption in case of "medical problems") - that it focussed on the right of the child to breastmilk. A balance, perhaps, beginning with more information so that mothers at the very least can make a truly *informed* choice.
That's an interesting perspective I hadn't thought of. I suppose, too, it depends on how much cultural support there is for breastfeeding. If everyone just BF by default unless they had medical issues & jobs are set up to allow ALL working moms to pump & everyone can NIP without fear of 'the comments' and so forth -- then I think this kind of legislation is much more realistic. Not so much in a society where BF is no longer the norm & we have sexual hangups about breasts & you get kicked out of businesses for NIP. I am curious where Indonesia falls on that spectrum.

I would hate for someone (i.e. the gov't) to tell me how to parent my kid, but I do believe children have the right to life, basic necessities, health care when necessary, an environment free from abuse, etc. I just wonder where breastmilk falls and whether it is a 'right' or a 'parenting choice' and though I lean towards 'right' I can understand (at least in our culture) that sometimes parents need to make a different choice.

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It was a ridiculous and offensive thing to say.
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