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The New York State Dept. of Health is running these public service announcements to try and encourage lower income women to breastfeed. They put the emphasis on weight loss and barely mention that it benefits the baby too.

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I'm just curious what others make of this. On the one hand, I think it's great they're making an effort to get more women to BF. And I do see where they're coming from that some women who would normally not want to BF may be more inclined to if they believe they're going to lose weight (which, BTW I have discovered is sort of a myth) but not because of the real benefits, sad as that may be. And I suppose women being "tricked" into BFing is better than those same women formula feeding. But I agree with the writer of the article that it just seems off somehow, and that the first video is downright embarrassing.

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Honestly, I laughed a little bit when the woman held up a pair of maternity jeans. I think it's pretty clearly supposed to be a parody of the Jenny Craig-type commercials (which I dislike).

The ad wouldn't have convinced me to breastfeed, for sure, but I'm not really tuned into the mindset of all of the women who choose not to breastfeed (I'm not talking about those who try and lack support, or are sabotaged, or come up against crappy circumstances, or who have to go back to work at 3 weeks pp, etc. ect. -- I had a really hard time of it at first, and if not for excellent, excellent support and 10 weeks off work, I don't think I'd have made it either). So how do you "advertise" breastfeeding? (That's an honest question.) I do like that it stays away from the "breast is best" booby trap, and I like that it's not using fear tactics. I'm wondering if they thought about making one that parodies some of those get-rich-quick schemes? "How would you like to save $2,000 dollars??!!" "I did, by breastfeeding my baby!"

Probably what I'd like to see in a breastfeeding PSA are just images of real women breastfeeding, and then maybe sound bites asking several people why they breastfeed (and weight loss might come up ... who knows?)

Anyway, sorry about the rambling answer, and thanks for sharing.
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if they truly did their research and found that this is what 'sells' breastfeeding to moms who otherwise wouldn't, then more power to them. market what sells. i don't care why women breastfeed - i'd just like to see as many as possible doing it!
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The problem is it's not evidence-based and moms may wean when breastfeeding doesn't prove to be the miracle diet they've been promised, YK? It's also just plain patronizing to provide public health information that's nothing but a marketing slogan, like women are too stupid to know the difference.
I agree we need to figure out why moms aren't breastfeeding - I understand that in some groups it's considered "lower class," for example - then target education and, yes, marketing, to addressing their specific concerns in a truthful way.

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Breastfeeding helps with weight loss! Ha ha ha! Yeah, I used to think so too. Myth myth myth......

so basically, I don't feel they should lie to women.
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I'm wondering if they thought about making one that parodies some of those get-rich-quick schemes? "How would you like to save $2,000 dollars??!!" "I did, by breastfeeding my baby!"

Probably what I'd like to see in a breastfeeding PSA are just images of real women breastfeeding, and then maybe sound bites asking several people why they breastfeed (and weight loss might come up ... who knows?)

I was also thinking maybe coming from the financial perspective would help convince some women. Also and related would be the health perspective (have a healthier child = save $ on medical bills), especially since many lower income families are under- or uninsured.

Or if they could get some really happening celebrity mom who's into BFing to talk about it and/or show her BFing might up the "cool" factor.

But yeah I was kind of disappointed they didn't show a woman BFing in the ad.

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I'm not sure if a white woman with a fake southern accent is going to really resonate with too many low-income New Yorkers...

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I'm not sure if a white woman with a fake southern accent is going to really resonate with too many low-income New Yorkers...


Yeah, I am a bit skeptical as to if they actually did research this before making it...

These tv ads were made based on focus group info/feedback about breastfeeding in Nova Scotia, Canada. You can see the difference. Although here they are targeting women who start out breastfeeding but stop early because of bad advice or lack of support. http://www.first6weeks.ca/learning/l...#tvcommercials
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Yeah, I am a bit skeptical as to if they actually did research this before making it...

These tv ads were made based on focus group info/feedback about breastfeeding in Nova Scotia, Canada. You can see the difference. Although here they are targeting women who start out breastfeeding but stop early because of bad advice or lack of support. http://www.first6weeks.ca/learning/l...#tvcommercials
Wow, those were really good! I could've used that info...I honestly had no idea what a learning curve there was for BFing before I did it. Good thing I had support!
And yeah, I doubt they did much research before devising these PSAs.

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Wow, those were really good! I could've used that info...I honestly had no idea what a learning curve there was for BFing before I did it. Good thing I had support!
And yeah, I doubt they did much research before devising these PSAs.
I love that they made it into the public consciousness in NS too - so friends and family understand that there is a learning curve too and hopefully will support mom and baby rather than suggesting formula.

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if they truly did their research and found that this is what 'sells' breastfeeding to moms who otherwise wouldn't, then more power to them. market what sells. i don't care why women breastfeed - i'd just like to see as many as possible doing it!
I find the ads really annoying, but I agree with the above poster. If they did their research and this is the way to target their audience then I hope it helps

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Breastfeeding helps with weight loss! Ha ha ha! Yeah, I used to think so too. Myth myth myth......

so basically, I don't feel they should lie to women.
Right there with you I just weaned a few months ago after nursing for the last 4.5 years, two kids tandem for almost a year. Never lost anything after the first ones 6 week post postpartum visit.

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Like many here, I never lost an ounce of weight due to BFing (in fact, I seem to pack it on, adding more cushion for the duration...)

That being said, i do know many women for whom this is true.

I think there are 2 types of women. Those for whom BFing helped them shed the pounds, and those for whom it didn't help one bit...but there are loads of other benefits and reasons to BF. Why shouldn't we promote a "selfish" reason (just like we say "it's convenient! No heating or assembly required" - well, it's convenient, until you need to leave the baby...then you need to pump, which is a PITA...but we do it anyway because we know its good).
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I can't view the ad, and never lost an ounce while bfeeding; I do think it's ok to play up teh benefits to mom in literature. Nursing does burn calories even if it doesnt equal automatic weight loss.

I think best for baby has been beat to death. I grudgingly agreed to bf for a year and DH's insistence (this was premarriage/pre pregnancy/pre mdc).

I was truly shocked after the baby came how many benefits were in it for me. Why shouldn't people educate mom's on how it benefits them? FF/bottle companies sure do their fair share of marketing in that regard.

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Yeah, those ads are really obnoxious.


However, I do agree that the 'health benefits to baby' angle has been covered. And, unfortunately, the financial reasoning does matter to a lot of low-income moms because they can get free formula through WIC. For a lot of women, weight loss IS the only reason to nurse (I have a few friends and family members who freely admit that's why they did it). Ick.



Personally, I think a great marketing campaign would be a mom furiously washing bottle parts or running out of formula and having to run to the store (the more stressed, the better) while another mom peacefully nurses her baby.

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Yeah, those ads are really obnoxious.


Personally, I think a great marketing campaign would be a mom furiously washing bottle parts or running out of formula and having to run to the store (the more stressed, the better) while another mom peacefully nurses her baby.
That's a great idea for an ad. You should pitch it to Best for Babes or another breastfeeding organization.

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Oooh! I like milosmomma's idea too!

I don't know what they were thinking when they made those ads, perhaps it went along the lines of "Well, we couldn't get you to do it for your baby, but maybe we'll get you to do it for yourself/your own benefit..."
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I'm a breastfeeding peer counselor with WIC. We get a lot of different types of moms in our clinic, but for a very large population of our moms, this commercial would grab their attention. I can see when mom's brains light up and when they start to tune me out when I speaking with them.

The first thing that works is very practical here and now benefits (its pretty hard to think about, say, osteoporosis when you're twenty, poor and pregnant by accident), but burning 500 cal... Yes, almost every woman starts listening to what I say when I say that. Now, I always explain that if you're eating an extra 500 cal that clearly won't translate to weight loss. But when I watch these commercials, I feel pretty sure that they *did* do some research. Either that or they actually worked in a WIC clinic and saw what works and what doesn't.

The other thing that seems to work (based on my experience) is talking about the *risks* of formula rather than the benefits of breastfeeding. When you are barely surviving there is no reason to feel bad about not giving your baby the best. You're barely getting by yourself. But when you are told that you could be harming your baby then it makes you think twice.

Of course the ad counsel tried to do risk of formula commercials and the formula companies just used their power to squash them. I doubt that WIC would get away with it if they didn't.

So I actually think these commercials are a good starting place. They are clearly meant to be funny and satirical while also getting a mom to think about breastfeeding. It might not work for a white suburban lactivist, but I think it would work for many of the women that I work with.

Its also worth noting that for the WIC population (and something like 1/2 of all babies born in the U.S. are serviced by WIC) the cost of formula is much less of a factor than for other people. WIC gives it out for free. I do tell moms that if they fully formula feed while on WIC they can still expect to spend as much as $600 on formula beyond what WIC provides.
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Also, ads like this last 30 seconds. You can only make one point. So they chose a point. When the women come into the WIC office hopefully they can be further counseled on breastfeeding.
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I can't seem to view the ad either.

I would hope this would be part of a larger campaign. even though this ad focuses on weight loss, there may be others that illustrate other benefits?

ANYTHING is better than nothing. Many of the women these ads are targeting NEVER are exposed to any type of breastfeeding. In the backs of their minds, they think it's something SAH white ladies married to DRs do. Like playing tennis. Sure you can play tennis in Appalachia Ohio, but do people do it? Not really.

I am pretty sure my area is who this ad is for. I have seen quite a few billboards in my neighborhood about breastfeeding showing regular women and babies (of all races and body types) with "I breastfeed, you can too" or something like that. I was thrilled to see them.

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Indie- how did you become a peer counselor? I would love to have that opportunity
A friend posted about the opportunity on Facebook. Our county's WIC program added a peer counselor position when they got some breastfeeding grant money from the federal govt. They already had two peer counselors who have been with them for a long time (8 years and 16 years) who work at other clinics.

I'd say the best way to find out about opportunities in your area would be to call your local WIC office and ask to speak to the breastfeeding coordinator or the clinic supervisor. Then just ask. Our county may be hiring another person eventually and I keep a file of WIC participants who might be potential candidates.
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Its also worth noting that for the WIC population (and something like 1/2 of all babies born in the U.S. are serviced by WIC) the cost of formula is much less of a factor than for other people. WIC gives it out for free. I do tell moms that if they fully formula feed while on WIC they can still expect to spend as much as $600 on formula beyond what WIC provides.
I think this is a great point that should be restated. I DO believe that the financial aspects should be touted. My sil is an LC in a hospital and for women who choose formula, each bottle is dispensed like medication and there are no free samples and no "one" for the road.

She also has a chart to show them how much more food WIC will provide for nursing moms and that the formula provided will only be 1/2 a months supply.

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[QUOTE=crystal_buffaloe;158355 thought about making one that parodies some of those get-rich-quick schemes? "How would you like to save $2,000 dollars??!!" "I did, by breastfeeding my baby!" [/QUOTE]

yes Wic supplies the formula. This reminds me of a funny comment i heard from another bf mommy: "I make too much money to afford formula" what a paradox, huh? maybe a get rich campaign would be better if aimed at a middle/upper middle class
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well, not sure what I think of this since breastfeeding definitely helped me with weight loss, and I'm presently nursing baby #3. In fact, breastfeeding has often helped me lose more weight than I wanted to. And with each pregnancy I added 35 lbs (only to be down 35+ lbs after 12-19 months of nursing, despite eating a lot!).

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Sure, forget about all the crap that's in formula, it's weight loss that matters.. *sigh*

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I think it's pretty brilliant, really. I mean, the demographic that is most likely to breastfeed currently is professional, educated women, many of whom have postponed motherhood into their 30s. They will do what's "best," even if it means a personal sacrifice. 

 

Now, for less privileged women, a sacrifice my sound like too much, and they are less likely to have a martyrdom complex. So instead of portraying it as "Breast is best" and implying it's this great sacrifice but you do it because you want only the best, they are portraying it not as a sacrifice at all, but a good thing for everyone involved. I love it. Great marketing.


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The wight loss ones are, imo, funny and not convincing. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think its a strongly compelling reason to bf. The whip em out one was great though. LOL. Although again, I don't think tons of people care about saving the us gov't money. I know its ultimatels teh tax payers who "save", but its not an esay sell as a concept.

 

Not that I ahve any better suggestions. ANd at least they are making an effort I guess.


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Thinking about it a bit more, I think part of the reason "Breast is best" only works in certain demographics is that it implies there must be a sacrifice. You do it because it's best for baby, so therefore it can't be easier/more convenient/cheaper/more rewarding, etc. It's just "best," so we do it anyhow. So the key feature of this ad is that it's better for Mom too. 


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I think it's a funny ad, clearly a Jenny Craig parody. Sometimes humour speaks louder than clubbing people over the head with a serious PSA. It's just *one part* of an educational campaign, and I, personally, wouldn't perceive it as a guarantee to lose weight, any more than I would the original JC ads. But they're not lying, it does burn calories. I know I'm in the minority here, but I like the ad. I think it's clever. 

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