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Old 06-09-2011, 07:52 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Forgive me if this has been posted, but I did a search and didn't find anything.

 

But I wanted to bring awareness to a situation in Madrid, where a young mother, who was living in a women's shelter with her 15-month-old infant, had her infant taken from her, because the mother (her name is Habiba) refused to stop nursing the baby. Despite the fact that the Spanish Association of Pediatrics states breastfeeding should be on demand and can be as long as mother and child wish, the authorities in Madrid removed the baby from Habiba for not weaning the child. 

 

Here are some links (I hope it's okay for me to post them):

 

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Worldwide-Mothers-support-Habiba-IMMF-Give-her-baby-back/125104760904059

 

http://www.amormaternal.com/2011/06/please-help-habiba.html

 

http://actuable.es/peticiones/dile-al-instituto-madrileno-del-menor-y-familia-reuna-a

 

And the email address for the organization that kidnapped the child is [email protected]

 

If you do not speak Spanish (I don't), Google has a free translator that works well. I wrote my email in English but added the Google translation underneath.

 


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Thanks for posting this! I also heard about this and have signed a petition. It's unbelievable... I feel sick just reading about it.

 

Hopefully they give Habiba her daughter back soon!

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You're welcome. I was surprised no one had posted about it yet.

 

Here's the link for the petition:

 

http://actuable.es/peticiones/dile-al-instituto-madrileno-del-menor-y-familia-reuna-a

 

It's asking for your first name, last name, email address, and postal/zip code.


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Thanks for posting the link to the petition, I signed it.

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Can someone translate what the fields are asking for on the petition?  I know "nombre" is name, but...

 

Also, on what grounds is this idiocy occurring?  Are there other factors at play?  It seems outrageous and just not logical.  Is there more to the story?


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First Name

Last Name

Email Address

Zip/Postal Code

 

If you have access to the FB group, there's a lot more information, including some translations of articles written in Spanish. 

 

I would link more articles bu my kids are being wild monkeys today and not cooperating. If you can't access the FB group, let me know and hopefully tonight I can link some more direct articles.


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THANK YOU for posting this! I was just coming here to do the same! Something needs to happen. This poor mom & baby! It just isn't right!!


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The mom is Moroccan. There's a lot of anti-immigrant sentiment in Europe, and in Spain particularly there's a lot of anti-Moroccan prejudice. I suspect that's what this is really about....

 
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The article made me cry. That poor baby has lost 1/2 a kilo and I'm sure has been CIO this whole time. The mom got to see her for 6 mins and she said she had cricles under her eyes and didn't even look like her baby anymore. My heart breaks for this child. I am nursing a 20 m/o and even a few hours separation gets her all upset. I am just so sickened by this.


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Anyone have an update as to what's going on? Is her daughter with her again?


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Still not with her. And just released was this, which basically claims Alma (baby) was taken from Habiba, because Habiba was an attachment parent:

 

https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=11dqrDVBudn2oA47veGcpQQPDzvivWtgNatA9H5q_1GM&pli=1

 

My blood boils. Seriously. I'm enraged over this.

 

Another news article here, with some good links within:

 

http://www.examiner.com/new-moms-in-wilmington/mother-and-child-separated-due-to-extended-breastfeeding-protesters-to-gather

 


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This makes me so sick. Everything we do she did...I can not fathom HOW they can get away with this or WHY they would want to. Children are getting beaten and molested and they are taking a child b/c the mom is AP?


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I just heard about this today.  No words can express.... it could have been me!  My 26 month old has not been out of my sight for more than a couple hours her entire life.  Something like this would absolutely destroy us both.

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Some things you can do, in addition to signing the petition, emailing the IMMF (though their inbox has been so flooded, you might get an error message, and it's likely you'll get an automated response that has nothing to do with Habiba), and various consulates/embassies:

 

Contact every single news agency you can and ask that they cover the story. NPR, CNN, local stations, whatever. 

 

Share the news in every way you can with others. Give them the URL to the FB page, for updates as they happen.

 

Go to the CNN page on FB and like it, then you can post a suggestion that they cover the story.

 


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New update here (this will break your heart):

 

https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1yNxPsbHi6OS2P-9utwSoY8yyfTkK2REztpsH9sB1ENg

 

 

Fundación Raices about Habiba's visit 16th June

This afternoon Habiba has been able to visit her daughter for an hour and to tell you the truth she has come out full of pain, helplessness and anger. Today, unlike other days, for the first time since they’ve been separated, Alma wanted to suck, she was looking for her mother’s breast, Habiba said: It felt as if her child suddenly remembered the way they were before, when they were together. And then Habiba has offered her breast to Alma, and just when the child was just beggining to latch on, one of the many observers who are present at every visit, has said loud and forcefully: "NO", Alma got frightened and moved her head away from her mother’s breast. Habiba has felt intimidated and mistreated again.

 

When Habiba was telling me this, full of rage and impotence, she asked me but ... Why do not want my daughter to love me, why do they do this? Habiba is very worried, she sees her daughter very sad, she says they are changing Alma, nothing is the same, she wants her daughter NOW, NOW, NOW, the next visit is not until next Tuesday.

 

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!  Let’s  do everything in our power to put an end to this horror.Let’s make sure our protest and indignation is heard and let’s end this horror.


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I just came over here to see if anything had been posted so I could post.  THis is a terrible travesty and i hope she is returned soon.  And it's true...we are all Habiba.  This could happen to any one of us for doing something "they" don't like. 

 

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I still can't believe it. It's been nearly a month now right? I have been praying and praying for this woman. I thought extended BFing was considered normal in Spain...guess I was REALLY wrong!


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Thanks for posting this, nighten, I was just about to.

 

Here is another few links, along with a contact/idea/resource page that has a lot of email addresses and phone numbers. Please pass this along, mamas.

 

http://weareallhabiba.blogspot.com/2011/06/story-so-far.html

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FDCuOChOCj_EbeeoLKXC8pT6VdJ8tk8Qg4KPJMRo1II/mobilebasic?authkey=CP_Sr84P&hl=en_US&pli=1

 

I suspect that the more international awareness and pressure is put on them, the sooner Habiba will get her little girl back.


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Hi everyone!

 

I got this update on a mailing list that I am on

 

It says that Habiba and her baby have been reuinited! hooray

 

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/06/22/espana/1308756420.html

 

there is supposed to be a translation of the article on facebook  but i can't find it. but i don't use facebook and don't really know how it works, so maybe you all will figure it out!

 

https://www.facebook.com/WeAreAllHabiba?sk=wall

 

anyway good news. though the bad news is that apparently all the trauma has meant that her daughter no longer breastfeeds...

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At least they are together! That poor baby I guess they got what they wanted jerks

 

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Blog post from Jesusa Ricoy-Olariaga, part of the International and Spanish support team: http://weareallhabiba.blogspot.com/2011/06/together-at-last.html

 

Please see the footnote about the new international organisation to stop this happening to mother and baby breastfeeding dyads.  Sadly Alma and Habiba's case is not the only one...

 

 

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 though the bad news is that apparently all the trauma has meant that her daughter no longer breastfeeds...



Where did you hear this?  The facebook page says that we don't know.  Even if it is true right now, it is possible that breastfeeding may resume sometime in the next several days as Alma recovers.  Habiba has a choice now if she wants to continue to offer in hopes of reestablishing breastfeeding or if she wants to accept this situation as weaning.  Alma has a similar choice.  You couldn't say that a child has weaned because she does not nurse for a day.  They hadn't even been reunited for an entire day when this was posted.  It's not necessarily a done deal.

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I am confused and can't find any footnotes. Can you elaborate as to where they are on the page?

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Blog post from Jesusa Ricoy-Olariaga, part of the International and Spanish support team: http://weareallhabiba.blogspot.com/2011/06/together-at-last.html

 

Please see the footnote about the new international organisation to stop this happening to mother and baby breastfeeding dyads.  Sadly Alma and Habiba's case is not the only one...

 

 



 


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I am confused and can't find any footnotes. Can you elaborate as to where they are on the page?



 

 

 

They are in the blog post, last paragraph. 
 

 


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OIC so if anyone is lazy about looking it up the organization is called ALMA (tear that's the baby's name) and it's for all AP parents and if you want to join e-mail

 

[email protected]

 

We need to keep supporting the cause and protect Habiba and Alma's privacy so they can heal. I am so happy they are together and I really hop she will be able to nurse Alma again. If not I am sure just being together will be enough and her devotion to her daughter is immense.


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I have actually heard that they *are* breastfeeding once again.  I imagine that this sort of traumatic separation would most certainly affect a breastfeeding relationship, but also believe that is is very possible for it to resume with love and patience.

 

Although many us would love to follow Alma and Habiba's story, I hope that they are given continued support but also space to heal and renew their relationship.  I look forward to any updates which may be made available, but also accept that we may not hear.

 

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Where did you hear this?  The facebook page says that we don't know.  Even if it is true right now, it is possible that breastfeeding may resume sometime in the next several days as Alma recovers.  Habiba has a choice now if she wants to continue to offer in hopes of reestablishing breastfeeding or if she wants to accept this situation as weaning.  Alma has a similar choice.  You couldn't say that a child has weaned because she does not nurse for a day.  They hadn't even been reunited for an entire day when this was posted.  It's not necessarily a done deal.



 

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