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Hi 'gain. Az - I'm sorry I didn't get a OH MY GOSH inf ro you - I was thinking of it and then Ori woke with a howl...its what he does because he's SO stuffed up he can't breathe...what a total bummer. It's still loose, and the cough is too, so I'm not stressing, or dropping saline into his nose ... yet... but the humidifier is on full blast right next to the bed and I've used up a whole little bottle of Euc. oil. Dh has to come home early from work to go get more for me. HA!

Az - I am SO sorry about MIL. What you didn't need right now is having a lot of extra work and pressure from within the family to pitch in and keep their household going. I think it's possible that DCF (or whatever the organization is that helped her to get the kids) could send someone temp. to help out in the home. Often that is an option. Sometimes not... I think that now is a GOOD time for the teenagers to learn some cooking (roasts, steaming veggies, mashed potatoes etc.) if it isn't too complicated. Perhaps the flambe's can wait for a better time. Are any of the other older kids around to help?

Yeasties...it was such a nightmare for me last time I don't even want to discuss it.

Thanks for the info on the pouches and slings. Good for you Karen and everyone who made their own! That's awesome. For sewing dunces like me I think it's more than I can take on right now. Sigh.

Ok, I'm hearing a little squak upstairs and that's my cue to end. xxx andy

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Hey Ladies,

We went to the Ped. Card. (it is too long to type the whole thing). So far, we are in a holding pattern. Will's heart is holding the status quo, so we have another appointment on March 2nd. He is sleeping soundly next to me. On a extremely positive note: he weighs 9lbs 9ozs. Just on mama milk alone, he has gained 2lbs 6ozs. in 1 month as of yesterday.

Its a good thing that our appetites and weight gain slow down as we get older, or he would be the size of a house, or a small county by his teen years. He is going to be big boy though. Nothing but cream for my boy.

I have to go and fix the diaper bag. The idiot dogs got a hold of it and ate a hole on the inside. I would just buy another one, except I truly love this one. So I am going to try and fix it. Nearly killed the dogs. They also ate one of my beads last night, but since I had taken them out of the envelops and was getting ready to put them on the necklace, I can't remember who it was from. I can't believe that she actually thought it was edible. My idiot dog will eat anything. I firmly believe that someday they will probably eat a sock of something and it will do them it. We have found infant socks in their poo before.

Well, diapers are calling me. Better get to them. Will just poo'd in his last clean one.

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Hey Nicole- that's good news about Will's heart, AND his weight gain- you go mama!!!
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It's 11:30 here and I just woke up . The lack of sleep really caught up with me. Sweet dh cleaned the whole house, took ds to school, got other ds down for nap, and is now quietly folding laundry. Never woke me once.

Will post more later. Gotta eat breakfast.
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Oooh all the thrushy and cold babies and mamas and families, feel better fast!

I'm so glad I have my pouch, I think my child is made from velcro today and she just can't stand to be put down. And to make things even more fun, my mil is coming over at 8, but we've been going to bed at 7:30. Guess tonight will be a change of pattern.

Nothing else new or exciting around here. Guess that's a good thing!
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I am tired of being pregnant. I feel humongous. I look like death warmed over. I don't want to do it anymore!!!

Okay, I am glad I got that off my chest....

I am sorry so many mamas are battling thrush/yeast. We anaged to escape it with ds, and I am hoping to avoid it with the new babe. It helps that we live in Arizona where the climate is very dry. Not as lush as HI, but with its benefits

DH & I finally narrowed down our name choices today. He had wanted to name the baby Emma, but I just can't. It is too popular for me. Heck, even AZ has a dog named Emma . So, now we have two names we both like. I think I know which it will be, but we will wait and see her. She just has to make her appearance...

DS & I stayed home today. Not too exciting. We painted with h2o colors, colored, baked, and assembled cinnamon/sweet rolls. I have plans of eventually going into labor and thought home-made cinnamon rolls would be a good post-birth treat. I was amazed at how much butter they needed :

On the au pair issue, Karen, I think what has happened is for the best. I am one who thinks there is a hidden reason for things. I would guess that #1 may not be as good as she appeared since she couldn't get it together to respond to you. Who knows, maybe the person coming will love it there and stay a bit longer.

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How could she not love it there with Karen and her beautiful children?

Lisa, if I were you, I'd go to bed anyway and let MIL talk to DH all she wants. Maybe I'm not very nice, but seems like newborn babe & mama should be #1 for a while after the birth. At least, I'll enforce that at my house.

Mmm, homemade cinnamon rolls, that sounds great! DH would love it if I made some of those. Do they freeze well? (cooked/uncooked?)

Today I went home at lunch and took a three-hour nap. Babe has been quiet today... maybe he/she turned anterior after the chiropractor. I'm still getting some movement in the front but not like yesterday. Maybe elbows instead of knees and feet?

Heather, I hope you feel better soon, birth or just more comfy pregnancy.

Finally time to go home. I want to sit and knit, but should go to the mall or someplace and walk around for an hour or two.
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Heather- enjoy the end of your pregnancy! I saw a picture of a pregnant belly and looked at it wistfully. I love my baby, but I also loved being all round (should go back and read my complaining posts from before the birth, huh???).

Dh took babe and I had a LOOOOOONG hot shower. oooh. yum. that was after I ate a bunch of ice cream (which I should be avoiding with the thrush : ).

Lisa- I'm glad you have your pouch too- I am still anxiously awaiting mine. SHould be here tomorrow! I hope, anyways.
Friday I am going to the dentist to FINALLY fix my filling. It'll be our first outing and though I've done this with 2 kids already, I'm feeling all nervous. What's my problem??? I'm dying to get out. The house is starting to feel small, but geesh. We also have a birthday party for a friend's kid on sun, so I'lll be getting out more..... I sound pathetic!

wow. 4pm, i'm clean, laundry's done, baby's sleeping. wow.
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Thanks everybody for the words of encouragement. I don't know why, but yesterday I was DONE. I think I had heard too many people picking my baby's birthday or asking when I was due, going to be induced, etc.

However, today may be our day....Have been having contractions since early morning. Not really close, so I was able to get some sleep. We shall see....

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oooh Heather!!! I had a dream that you had your baby last night. I just came to check in and see if you did. (It's only 4AM here)

Sending you hugs and labor vibes if you need them!!!!
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Yay Heather! I hope this is the day.
I wanted to name our baby Emma, because it was my grandmother's grandmother's name, but the popularity killed it for us too. We're thinking Evelyn or Gwendolyn now.

We went for a walk around the mall last night, because I felt like maybe baby had spun anterior and wanted to get 'em settled that way. But, at bedtime, I got all the usual kicks to the navel and front of the belly, so I guess this one is still posterior, or posterior again. Oh well.

Fluffymail is supposed to stock this afternoon or tomorrow. I can't stop myself from trying to get something. I am a hyena : and I don't even have a babe to diaper yet!
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Good morning - 10 am here, and not much has gotten done. dh decided to stay home today (didn't want to face meetings at work, mostly, but I think he's feeling sorry for me staying locked up w/ds for 2 days with snuffles - he's a bit better today). funny how with more hands to help less actually gets done. Sigh. oop...Ori woke, I nursed and then fellasleep while dh watched silly stupidbowl talk show - now it's over an hour later! whew. While Ori sleeps I'm going to go to the shops. Hopefully he'll sleep the whole time. Pretty exciting to get outside...

Az - did I miss an update on mil? I hope she's going to be ok, but I think no matter what, it's going to be a long haul for all of you. I'm so sorry. A few years back my own mom fell while on vacation and put her hands out to stop herself from faceplanting and broke both wrists. Surgeries, pins, casts, what misery...

Today I saw a white spot in Ori's mouth and now I'm panicked it's thrush. Mw's are over this afternoon for 2 wk checkup so I'm going to have them take a peek. Pleeeze if there is a god...no thrush...

Must go get errands done. xxx andy

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DH just called, MIL's dr just called FIL, she lost the pulse and feeling in her foot and her body is rejecting the metal pins and rods. The specialist from Boston is coming in to take a look and see what can be done

I'll post more later. I've been reading all the posts but I just don't feel like responding right now. to everyone

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if this is it Heather- then you go mama! sending you some ++++birthing energy! we haven't had a birth here for at least a week!

andy- a couple of spots aren't likely yeast-I HOPE not for your sake anyways!
We got some gentian violet (i don't wanna see a dr) and it really is as messy as they say. After nursing, Luka has it smeared all around his mouth and I can wipe it off but it leaves a stain, kinda like a bruise- WON'T be going out like this, LOL! but if (when!) it works, it's an easy and cheap solution and doesn't involve lame drs who know nothing about bf stuff.

Az- geesh- I'm hoping for some good news about your mil! the poor woman! things happen for a reason though-- maybe this is a wake up call to those kids at home to learn some domestic skills so they can take care of her when she gets home (and themselves, of course).

Jessica- don't even KNOW what fluffymail is and don't wanna know. It;s amazing how obsessed people are with cloth diapes!!! I could get that way, I suppose, because I like to buy things : , but I wanted to have 1 kind of diaper so I don't have to choose each time I need to change one. so far working for me.

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Oh Az, big hugs to you, dh and mil.

And unthrush vibes and labor vibes to those who need them.

Grrr evil mil called at 830 to say she'd rather come on Friday. Argh! And that made me so mad it threw our entire night off, so far Lauren has been a poo, change dipe, eat, sleep and be dry in 3 hrs baby, but last night she was off an hour and ended up wetting mid feed every time which meant she'd wake and need to nurse longer when I changed her. I am pretty tired and cranky now. I nearly popped a paci in her mouth earlier, I think she has a high need to suck, and her hands aren't doing it for her. She nurses every hour during the day for 20 min or so, and a lot longer at night.

And FEH, on my complaining kick, we're back to mucousy green poo. I think it might be dairy in quantity, as I had a big glass of milk for dinner last night but only milk in cereal for the few days before. Guess we'll try again. Grrr!

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Oh Az - I am SO sorry... bad breaks are such a pita and aren't always easy to diagnose... lots of little snafoos inside there. I do hope that things work out for you all - having a strong family member out of the running is quite debilitating. Lisa - hang in honey - this is just the beginning...wait for teething!!! Karen - you one smart mama. My friend Tasha once went shopping for our girls with me, and she bought this HUGE bag of plain white socks. And I bought the bag of mixed colors, so pretty for little girls... well two weeks later I'm trying to find the other purple sock and Tasha is just bundling up white socks by the dozen...she one smart mama, too! I'm learning. Since I didn't actually buy any new diapes this time round I'm giving myself a HUGE pat on the back (for having not chucked the diapes from the first time round AND for resisting all the amazing new diapes on the market). Oh yeah. My boy deserves the little organic cotton suits I bought! Ex(cough)pen(cough)sive, but SO cute and cuddly warm. ahhhh.

what's the word heather??? I'm thinking about you!!!

Ok, dh is doing his best with fussy Ori, but I think it's my turn again. diapers are stacked and clean, dog is walked, bought more Euc. oil, and a little gift for the mw's (anyone else do that???), which I must find a bag/box for... chat more later I hope! Andy

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Az, oh no! Poor MIL! Are you sure the car didn't roll over her ankle after she slipped? My brother got the bones in his legs crushed two years ago (he was run over by a semi). One leg got pins and skin grafts and all patched up. The other was missing 4" of bone, completely gone. It hung out for a few months with clear tape stuff over a hole where skin was missing. Finally they cut it off below the knee rather than try to regrow the bone. That leg (the amputated one) healed a lot faster than the one he kept. So, since they said 1-2 years before she'd walk without assistance anyway, it'll probably be the same or less time to learn to use a prosthetic, if they can't save her leg. Maybe her body knows what it's doing when it rejects the attempts to fix it.
My brother has no responsibilities and it was his own fault, and that's a lot different from your MIL. I am so sorry this happened to her.

Andy, it's so true about the white socks and the diapers, but I can't help it. I love colors and variety. DH has a whole bunch of white socks, and I have three drawers worth of socks, no two pairs alike. The diaper stash looks like my sock drawer so far. I did get one dipe out of the fluffymail stocking, not one of my favorites, but it is something. All of them (like three hundred) sold in under ten minutes.
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Az- . I don't know what to say a this point. Just hang in there! Lots of , ,

My sister's name is Emma. She is a total sweetheart. I really think names sort of define who we are in a weird sort of way. Everyone that I've ever known named Emma, has been very gentle and sweet

Lisa - They say breastfed babies nurse about every two hours. what they don't tell you is that they are actually nursing for about 1/2 hour to an hour of the two hours! Just enjoy your time spent trapped in the chair. It seems so hard right now, but believe me, you'll miss it when its over I know it's hard. I'm right there with you.

Nicole!!! You are all so cute!!! I love the last picture of you two cuddled in bed. It seems our little babies are fast becoming little chubby buddhas. Gotta love that creme de la creme! I'm really impressed that Will has gained so much given his condition. He must be a tough little buggah.

Jess, you're so silly. I'm the same way about yarn. I horde it. When I first started knitting I would dream about it too. I would also knit in my head while driving or something, lol.

Hang in there everbody with sick bambinos. Andy, have you tried putting a little breastmilk in Ori's nose and gently suctioning the snot. I had to do that with Violet before she nursed for a couple days, because she was so congested. It actually works pretty well -- and it *might* help clear out the infection. Not sure about that, but seems like it would. Oooh,have fun at the shops!!!

Karen - did you get your pouch yet? Is the fabric stretchy? I returned mine and I'm trying to decide what fabric to get, but I want to make sure the poplin is stretchy. Gentian V should do the trick, btw. Messy messy messy!!!!


Hmmm...it seems we are having lots of posterior babies. I wonder what's up with that?
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Hey thanks Ann - I hadn't thought of using b'milk that way. It's probably less ucky than saline would be for Ori. At least it would smell better! I enjoyed my outing a lot. Got a mw gift, hfs, and library for some vids. I missed my boys, though, and was happy to be back home...and my boobs were kinda achey by then, too. :-)

Even sick Ori gained 6 oz in a week, which isn't breaking any records, but he's doing well. Mw was impressed, actually, but then I think she enjoys hamming it up a bit, too. dd got to help weighing etc., which is such a thrill for her. She does love being the BIG sister. Ori really is loads better today, so I let dd hold him again, which just about made her day :-)) silly bugger.

What do you mamas think: I thought I'd take dd to the middle school play tomorrow night (a dr. seuss special with lots of dancing etc.), and am wondering whether to bring the sling along. I'm thinking I'll just stuff it into the backpack. Probably Ori would be happy just to hang and nurse, but maybe he'll get fussy and dh or I could sling him and walk around in the back kind of thing... I don't want to be disruptive, but I think it would be good for us all to get out a little together. Hmmm.. thoughts???

Oop, back to the nipple grind! Lol!! Andy

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Ann, maybe being posterior is part of why these babies are late. If mine would swing around, engage properly, and start grinding against the cervix when I walk, maybe labor would start sooner.

Andy, the play sounds like a great idea. Of course bring the sling. It's a middle school play, not grand theatre. People will probably be grateful for the small disturbance, if there is any at all.
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Ann- I just got the sling and it is stretchy. I think I have pants in this fabric- cotton with some lycra or something in it. Luka was asleep in my lap when I got it- he was fussing and I put him in and he went right to sleep.
The fabric is nice- not soft though- it's kinda stiff- maybe will be softer after a wash. I think the fleece ones sound heavenly if it wasn't so damn HOT here!

Andy- though i went for the one diaper type, I bought fuzzi bunz in millions of colors. I always used prefolds before but since I'm older and not dirt poor I went for fancy and colorful- BUT, they are all the same, so no searching. And who cares if your dd just wears different colored socks?!?!? I would still do the same as you and buy different ones. white socks get boring!
Bring the sling to the show for sure. You just gotta be prepared.... remember? I remember when ds1 was just a couple of weeksold and we went to visit a friend 2 hours away. well it was all snowy by the time we got there ( not here in HI< obviously) and we ended up spending the night. We were SOOO unprepared- not enough diapers, outfits, etc..... somehow it all worked out but better to have MORE stuff (which you can always leave in the car) than be left w/o something crucial!
And andy- 6 oz in a week is great. Many babies just regain their birth weight at 2 weeks. They just all grow so differntly, but 6ooz is great! good job!!!

Jessica- posterior babies do tend to come a little later (but then so do 1st babies). They put a different angled pressure on cervix..... don't fret over it though. Don't slouch, sit forward, crawl, and baby will come as s/he is supposed to come.

Ds is making raviolis for lunch but the water is taking an eon to boil. Mama is HUNGRY! I LOVE eating while nursing (well not simeoultanously, but yk)- I feel like a bottomless pit.
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Ooh we did our medically useless pedi appt today, and yikes I have a piggy baby, 8.14 at birth, down 8.3 when we came home, 9.10 today. Pedi says green poo is normal, but I don't know. It seemed to match up with mt big glass of milk all too well. Guess we'll wait a few days and do another science experiment with some more dairy.

Pedi and I butted heads over vit k in the hospital, so she pitched her vax speech to dh while I was dressing babe. I know vax are one of those heated discussions, but would y'all mind sharing your views on them with me? I'm so torn, I come from a medical family and I work with medically disadvantaged kids, so I've been taught the medical model my whole life, yet at the same time I have this perfect little body in front of me that I just don't want to put anything into. And dh is the typical guy, "whatever you want dear" is what seems to come from his mouth when I try to talk to him about it.

And oooh plastic baby, she's sleeping in the swing. I'm silently being greatful for all the gadgets and gizmos.

Az, more hugs to you and your family!

Time to eat dinner, it's bedtime in 45 min. Or at least get ready for bedtime.

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I haven't researched vax a whole lot yet, just enough to know we're definitely going to delay them. When the baby is 2, then we'll do more research and decide whether to vaccinate at all, or when. It seems to me that putting that many vaccines into such a tiny baby can't be a good idea.

I love that you all try to avoid putting the babies in the bouncy chair or the swing for hours at a time. So many people leave them in the baby bucket or some other holder for most of the day. It makes me shudder. This board rules!
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Hey now - oooooh vaccines - it'll be nice to discuss w/out the vehemence of the vax board...another I avoid. Well my side of the fam. has a lot of auto-immune disorders (lupus, sjorgren's syndrome, ra, jra, etc.), so I haven't vaxed because I don't want to give her (or his!) immune sucha drastic jolt. The dox all want me to go single, but each vaccine has SO many things in it - mercury, fillers, preservatives, etc., that I just do not feel comfortable doing it. They can't give me any assurance that doing the vax will NOT cause her (or his) system to start on the wrong path. Knowing I haven't vaxed I can be aware of illnesses in the cmty and be alert to signs and symptoms. I can't do that for the variety of possible illnesses/symptoms that can happen with the auto-immune disorder family.

BUT if you aren't in this place, I'd consider each vax on it's own and determine whether each one is out or whether there is a reason to give one over another. I've often considered doing the Polio (killed), mostly because dh's sister had polio and it really almost killed her (and she's our very favoritey auntie). Also, consider that there are homeopathic options.

Thanks for the words of encouragement Karen! I think my babe looks pretty good, but he's got these long skinny legs and arms (all akimbo - you should see him when he's mad!),just like dd he's just NOT a butterball. oh well. He's perfect for being ORI!

I think if he's feeling better tomorrow we'll def. go to the play. As mentioned, it's not exactly Lion King on broadway!

Lisa - WOW - Lauren is doing so WELL! I think since you have an instinct on this green poo thing you should do your own follow ups. Never know! And Ori likes being in the swing chair a bit too - when he's awake and not nursing, anyway. He's just as happy in the big lazy-boy, staring out the window...so I don't know... I use it when I need to put him down for a bit but he's not sleeping. I don't think he's spent too much time in it yet, maybe an hour all told, but he doesn't seem to mind it. Tonight he spent all of dinner screaming for more nursing (which he'd done non-stop since 5:30 - over an hour), but he was just really tired. I put him in the sling facing out (sitting buda position) which he screamed about, and finally put him to bed, where he crashed right out not a peep. I expect he'll sleep for hrs. and hrs. now. What a champion! Wait...this was about LAUREN!!! Sorry... I am so in love...

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Lisa- vaccines are hard- gotta follow your instincts on that. It's been so long since we've dealt with the issue! Our older boys did get 2 vaxs- the dead polio and the tetanus.....but that was so long ago and we did delay them- I think they were close to 1, or maybe 2 when they got them. With Luka.... dunno yet. I know he's not getting anything anytime soon, if at all. I don't trust the vaccine industry- why those pharmaceuticals are so protected.... ugh. The thing is, no matter what you decide, the longer you wait, the better, IMO. And as far as the doc goes, I always just asked for more info- gets them off your back.
I, for one, am in NO hurry to get to the ped. I just called today about getting Luka added on our ins. but Idon't feel like seeing her. She's nice and all, but I know (from transports I've been on) that she doesn't like hb- not that she would SAY anything to me, but i don't feel like dealing.

dh just called me. He left the house in a hurry this am and didn't eat breakfast.... went and has been chainsawing and working all day- it's 4pm and he's not eaten.... grrrrrr. he doesn't seem to realize that if he doesn't take care of himself it affects us ALL!!!!
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Hi, all....

Lisa, how great Lauren's packing it on! Sounds like you are onto something with your milk...

I like the vax conversation too, beside delaying I am not sure what we'll do. My husbands Swedish and it's so Swedish to do for the public good, they are not into individual choice- vaxing is so Swedish. He could go either way, he's very holistic....and we are likely to travel to weird places like India where exposures to odd things abound. SO that factors in....I think I was kind of leaning towards vaxing later in the well, we survived it mindset, but then my earth momma-y massage therapist was telling me how sick her granddaughter got after the flu vaccine and how it was a scandal in the family that the mother was vaxing the baby and trying to keep it secret, and was tearing the couple apart. It was good to hear how adamant she is against it...what she sees as just poisoning a healthy baby. And her kids grew up traveling to funky places all over the planet, but she just always worked on keeping them in optimum health and using herbs to keep them strong. I also like the Chinese medicine idea that you are SUPPOSED to get certain things- they see chicken pox and measles as necessary developmental challenges that help the immune system mature- like if never given a chance to fight something off, it never can do it's job optimally. On the other hand, my dad lost a good part of his hearing with a fever from measles as a child. He remember just suddenly not being able to hear his mother....

Which is why I like the Aviva Romm "An Informed Parents Guide to Vaccines- a guide to risks benefits, and alternatives". It is very balanced, and almost overly medical-technical for the average consumer, but I think it's important to understand the issue at that depth and move beyond the rhetoric in many vax books. In her book she tells what is the natural history of each disease- how much did the vax play in reducing incidence, how sick your kids would get if they got the disease, how to treat them and when to call the doc if they do get it, and what you can do if you elect to vaccinate as far as optimum timing and immune support so kid sis as health as possible before they get the shot.

My acupuncturist also just gave me a bunch of info on it- she does not support vaxing, but comes from china where it is mandatory, so she said there everyone does a pre vaccine treatment to help kid be in optimum health, and then clear predictable side effects from each vaccine- like excess mucus or other toxic effects- she said that way they keep the healing part and clear the immune suppressing part.

So, I chose a vax flexible ped, and will study each shot individually to choose (for sure no flu, pneumonia, hep B (unless they go to births with me), or chicken pox vaxes!) and see how it will go over if we end up moving to Sweden with an unvaxed or selectively kid.

I am less worried about immediate effects like autistism, more about long term autoimmune concerns. I think having disease chronically looming in your lymph nodes seems bad. That's why i like my accupuncturist's take- I lean towards either forgoing altogether or selectively vaxing for a few things and clearing the baby's system with accupuncture afterwards.

That's my 2 cents- plus, get the Aviva Romm book-it is undoubtly the best on the topic. Like I said it is very fact based and well documented as opposed to the rhetoric-y books that dominate the category on the pro and con sides of the issue...

My babe was posterior but by sleeping on the opposite side of the back I got it to turn back to proper position.

I had my midwife friend check my cervix today- way the heck back there/ posterior, fingertip dilated, very mushy-gushy, and about 80% effaced. I am glad to hear it's all ripe, I thought so. I am still hoping tomorrow could be the day....though no outward signs that will be.

On an astrological note- Did I mention that next Tuesday is a new moon, and next wed is Chinese new year and Muslim new year? So if it waits till next Wednesday, there are all kinds of celestial shifts that happen, so I gotta trust baby's timing- I think now its a monkey year, next Tuesday is Rooster. Not that I really know much about it, but it means there are significant changes coming so maybe babies are waiting for them before emerging.

Sending you good vibes for MIL and perfect birth timing...remember to do what you need to do even twith the family craziness going on! It's not selfish to hole up in your own little world if you need to.

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Hey All,
Vaccines - we do them. DD has to go to daycare, and they require her to be up to date, so we do them, but I would likely do them anyway. Our ped is really cool, so I know thought that he wouldn't have a problem if we decided not to.

Will has been pretty stuffed up. He had a ton of problems nursing last night. He would latch on and them pop right off, so my nipples are sore today. He just couldn't breathe. Since we have the added benefit of heart issues, we called the ped today, just to make sure he doesn't need to go in. He suggested that we elevate his head while sleeping, and while he has been sleeping right beside us, or with us, I think that until he can breathe better, we are going to put him in his car seat to sleep. Now I am still going to put him in the bassinet right next to us, so he will stll be in arms reach. He seems to be nursing better this afternoon too.

We have his well baby check tomorrow, and I have my 6-week check. I can't believe that I only have 1 week fo leave left.. It has gone by so fast. I am glad to be going back, but I am sad that I didn't get to have longer at home with just Will.

Well, better go. DH and I's little secret pleasure is watching "The Apprentice" and it is on here tonight.

Have a good one. Happy birthing vibes and healthy baby vibes going out to you all from us.

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Aine (awn-ya) Catherine was born today at home at 3:46pm. She is 10lbs 6 oz and 21.5 inches!!! Just two little skid marks...WOOO HOOOOO

Thanks to everyone and their warm wishes and beads

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Hoo-ray Proudmom Heather! Welcome aine- i think she wins the prize for biggest so far- well done mama! So excited for you, glad it went well...Heidi
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Hmmm...interesting conversation about the vax. Ds1 has had the Hep B and tetatnus, mainly because Hawaii has very high rates of hepatitus, and if I'm massaging people's naked bodies, I figure its better to be safe than sorry...We did tetanus because when he was a baby we lived in a farming type community, and were always digging around in the soil, exposed to livestock, rusty nails, all that kind of stuff...He's highly allergic to eggs, so the MMR and the chicken pox are out for him. Other two kids haven't had vaxes. I will eventually, probably get them the Hep B, after they turn 2 -- just because as a massage therapist and nursing student I'm exposed to bodily fluids. But that's it. They get most of their healthcare from a naturopath and an acupuncturist, whom I feel completely comfortable with treating any of the illnesses if they did arrive. There are also homeopathic vaccines available. You would give them at the first chance of exposure.

I think its best to educate yourself about the diseases, and decide whats best for you. There are certain illnesses that scare me a lot, but the vax scares me just as much, so its kind of a catch 22 . There is another good book - "Vaccines: are they really safe and effective? " by Neil Z. ******. Quick, easy reading and not too technical. However, it is highly swayed toward not vaxing. I also asked the doc for all the product inserts for each vaccine - very telling.

Anyways, sorry for writing a novel about that...Violet is having green poop today too. I wonder if its from the thrush medicine?

Two out of my three babes were posterior (sad, huh). Anyway, with both of those pregnancies I had a lot of preterm labor stuff...I always wonder if its because my uterus was trying to turn them somehow?

Aah, dh is getting mad at me for being on the computer (again hehe...) I suppose I should get off. Alohas for now
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