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#121 of 174 Old 06-17-2004, 03:57 PM
 
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what's a neti pot? How is it different from/better than a regular facial steamer? Where do I get one?
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Here is some info on it. I've pseudo-neti'd with a cup and sea salt over the sink, which helped, but likely not as effective as with using a real neti pot.

group nap time?
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Here's the neti pot I use & like (I've tried the Himalayan Institute one & didn't care for it) http://us.shop.com/cc.amos?main=cata...&adtg=06160423
The Neti Wash Plus is also found there.
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Heve, glad to hear your levels sound so good!!!!
I'm sitting here waiting for my nurse to arrive any old minute now and give me some more fluids and another dose of gravol. I actually ate breakfast and lunch (well puked a little bit of lunch) I'm hoping this means that perhaps I don't have true HG but just bad morning sickness that my current stress level allowed to get out of hand.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!!
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Looks like I am joining all of you. A little sooner than expected and not at the best time but a blessing all the same. Just found out about 10 minutes ago, I "knew" but still shocked at the confirmation. We are due February 19 of 2005 which makes me 4 weeks and 6 days. I am an apprentice midwife and just moved to PA 3 weeks ago to study. I have been to 3 births in the last 4 days LOL! I will be birthing at home Katie my youngest is not quite 8 months, they will be 16 months apart and she is still nursing. My first inkling was that my milk supply dropped like a rock. She has been my earliest eater thus far so I think we will be good This will be baby #4 for me if all goes well (I have had 2 miscarriages so I know there are no guarantees) Wishing you all well and nausea free days
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am i too late for teh group nap???????

welcome jes!

shannon, glad to hear you're making progress!! keep it up!

heve - i hope the results continue to go up!

elliesmom! you werent' supposed to do that! i wanted to so bad because i wanted to end my chart on a high temp but resisted! you sold me out jk of course!!! hopefully we can relax here on out.

i'll volunteer for keeping the thread next week.

so af cramps are okay long as there's no bleeding? those are the sort i'm having right now. they kind of come and go now and again.

other than that my boobs are sore off and on, mostly on. sometimes i get gaggy before eating breakfast but i seem to be okay after the first or second bites. i'm really tired and peeing more. and gassy toot toot LOL! : i need to enjoy the days i feel great cause usually i'm haning over the toilet all day.

a funny story, my ds was 16 months old when i got pg with dd. it was my first pg and i was sick as a dog 24 hours a day. after a while he thought the main purpose of the toilet was to hang over making funny noises and would immitate me from time to time. after the queasies left it became a *very* funny story LOL!
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Welcome, Jen - and CONGRATULATIONS! We share a due-date....depending on which pregnancy calculator you ask
I was online telling everybody 10 min after my positive test, too :LOL
Good luck with all those births in these early days - try to get enough rest, 'K? (I know that being at someone else's birth can sometimes be as exhausting as if it were your own, yk?)
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Thank you so much to those of you who suggested the neti pot. It was perhaps the grossest thing I have ever done, but man did it work. I was a little nervous, but I tried it and I can actually breathe a little now! Oh, still need to rest though, see you all later.
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Sorry I dont have time to read all the posts today. I was gone all day yesterday, and I'm just worn completely out today. I have been spotting off and on all week, but it's brown, so I'm staying positive. My Dr.s office said I could have spotting w/ no cramps, or cramps w/ no spot, but not spot and cramps together :LOL I guess I'm pretty good to go, then! to those who are feeling sick. I hope you are better soon!
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lesly glad you feel better nothing worse than being sick while pg. this is aside from m/s of course
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not that you all haven't done your fair bit of that already, but here's the situation. Please excuse typos in advance. My hands are shaking from anger/fear.

Yet another midwife from the birthcenter (this is now the 4th I have talked to in the last 2 weeks...I have never talked to anybody more than once) called to tell me they had scheduled my u/s for July 2nd. Good, that's when I wanted it based on Monday's reassuring beta. I asked if I could come in for another beta, as I have been feeling pretty stressed out. Well we get into this long conversation about needing to come in twice to see the 48 hour increase, yada yada yada...I know all this. So I say, I know my level from Monday (20 DPO, 345) was on the low side, but how out of range was is? She says, well the ranges are huge, but for 5 weeks they are 10,000-I can't remember the outer limit, but it was like 100,000 or something. Wait, I say, those ranges must be from conception, so I am only 3 weeks. No, she says, I think they are weeks LMP.

Now this is way higher than I have read anywhere else. She said she would call the lab for clarification and call me tomorrow to let me know.

This is so not what I need right now. What occured to me was, if my number is off by like 10,000, why didn't anyone say that when they gave me the results????? I certainly wouldn't wait until 7 weeks for the u/s if that was the case.

I then stupidly went online and found some study that showed that women with a beta in my range at 16 DPO had a 35-72% chance of having a viable pg. Great.

I am sorry to be so whiney and needy you guys. I swear I am usually only a little obsessive. I feel like I am losing control. I cried in front of my 2 y.o. tonight, which is not what I want to be doing.

I am going in to my little cave for the rest of the night.

I do hope you are all well.

Trying to get my bearings...
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Jenny ~ breathe~

Ok, now doesn't the site that Shannon posted on page 2 say that "* At 20 DPO, the average HCG level is 522 mIU/ml, with a typical range of 135-1690 mIU/ml."? So at 345, you should be ok, right?

At any rate, I will send you vibes, and calming, positive vibes!
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Jenny,
I second what hevasoul said. My mom seemed to be worried/stressed that my hcg wasn't high enough either, but you know what? I don't care. She felt better when she saw the rise, and said that it is the rising, not the number, that matters, and that there's a wide range of normal. If you still "feel" pregnant, you're not cramping (except those strecthing out cramps, not hugely painful cramps), you're not bleeding, I would really try to not stress, although I know how hard that is. July 2 is really not that far off, and you can probably get another HCG done if you want to before then.

Plus, there's a difference between being 20 DPO and 5 weeks. if you're counting how many weeks you are from LMP, they could be way off if you ovulated late. So, for example, if you ovulated on CD 21 instead of CD 14, you actually would be a week behind what their estimates would be, does that make sense?

I think you're going to be fine, your number sounds pretty good, and it increased quite a bit in 48 hours, isn't that correct? That's what you're really looking for.

Sending you a huge hug and sticky baby vibes.
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Here's a quote from the article from Shannon:

There is a large variation in a "normal" HCG level for any given time in pregnancy.* Caution must be used in making too much of HCG "numbers."* Ultrasound findings after five or six weeks of pregnancy are much more predictive of pregnancy outcome than are HCG levels.*

And about 20 DPO:

At 20 DPO, the average HCG level is 522 mIU/ml, with a typical range of 135-1690 mIU/ml.
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(20 DPO, 345) was on the low side, but how out of range was is? She says, well the ranges are huge


I am looking at Understanding Labwork in the Childbearing Year and the values for 14 days are 3-426 and 21 days from 18-7,340

If it makes you feel any better last time around my HCG was 2000 at 4 weeks post ovulation, 6 weeks pregnancy.

A low HCG doesn't mean CRAP, what does matter is that it doubles. You are normal!!!
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Wow! I feel so left out. My OB does not do betas or any other type testing like that unless there is a problem. Also no ultrasound until 20 weeks. Kind of wish I had more info to work with like you gals have.

This pregnancy is so different than my first that everyone is telling me that it must be a girl this time. Don't know how I feel about that. I am just happy to be feeling reasonably well and not in bed unable to eat anything like last time.

Hope everyone else is taking things easy. Make those dh's do more. Mine has made dinner or gotten take out every night this week! He is so good to me.
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Jenny, breathe!!!! My hcg at 21 days po was 583--so pretty much dead in line with your # for 20 (as in by 22 days po, you would like be around 700) once my level hit about 600 it started tripling and more in the 48 hrs. Now it has tapered back off and is doubling only every 72 hrs. The fertility clinic (where they do betas every other day for the first 8 weeks of every pregnancy) thought my levels were just perfect.
I think you're fine hun. How much do you trust these midwives??? I can't remember if you said you really liked them, but with having spoken to so many and getting such varied numbers, maybe it's time for a second opinion--or at least have a talk with whoever is in charge and lay down the law. That certainly worked for me at the fertility clinic--I get treated with kid gloves now--they may not like me, but they all know who am I and not to mess with me.

Btw, some good news today--my beta (at 6 weeks btw) is 11819 and my progesterone is finally up and looking good at 30.2!!!
Bad news, I think I'm jinxed--We went out for dinner and when we were leaving, I have no idea how I did it but I think I busted my baby finger on the door. It's very bloody and VERY swollen and I can't move the top joint. Got home, took a couple of my demerol and once it kicks in, I'll straighten it out and wrap it up. Stupid Stupid me!!
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Suz - my second preg was totally different from my first. I carried different, had different cravings, the whole nine yards. And I had another boy I'm right with you as far as tests go, only for me it is by choice. It makes me feel sort of like I don't belong here, because I have no hormone numbers to contribute. I end up saying "Hi everyone, I'm really tired & hungry today" : I kinda feel like a dork sometimes! But please don't feel bad because you don't get these tests done - feel GOOD because you don't need them I'm sure most of these ladies who have to monitor their hormone levels wouldn't wish the whole process on anyone.
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Suz and Stell, please don't feel like you don't belong!!!! Actually the number of people on this months thread who are having heavy monitoring is very unusual for these boards. Unfortunately, there are a really high percentage of us who have had at least one or more miscarriages. Even those who haven't, some were on the old TTC board and a few months back we had something like 11 of our "graduates" tragically return after early miscarriages, all within 10 days--I think that struck some fear in everyone over there and it's hard to shake. What I wouldn't give to have the confidence back that I had with my first pregnancy before loosing it and seeing you guys who are doing well, without all the tests actually makes me feel better. So PLEASE PLEASE keep on posting and telling us everything, for me, it normalizes pregnancy at a time when nothing about pregnancy seems normal anymore.
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Thanks Shannon, and ITA!! I'm so sorry about your busted pinky, ctw. Are you starting to consider opera length gloves on sat. to hide the pinky and the bruises (people are going to think your dh abuses you! Okay, that's not funny, sorry).

I'm trying to be here and be a contributer even though I am not being monitored very closely right now. After the spotting scare I had, I had a progesterone (it was in the 40's) and one more HCG (It was 108, more than double in 36 hours) and I haven't had any tests since! In fact, I have the lab slips to get another couple of HCG's, and I just haven't felt the need to. I also had an opportunity yesterday to have an ultrasound at my mom's office, and I turned it down.

There are moments when my symptoms diminish, and in fact, I have had barely any nausea for a week now, but I still feel pregnant in enough other ways (the uterine stretching feelings, sore breasts, frequent peeing, tiredness bordering on exhaustion). That reassures me. I just have made up my mind that even though I have times of fear, I'm not going to spend this whole time period freaking out and worrying unless I have signs that I should worry about something. I'm just trying to feel that everything is going to be okay, and go with that feeling.

Of course, I haven't had a loss, so obviously that effects my mindset. And I will feel a lot more reassured and relaxed when I do get my first ultrasound, on June 28 (only 10 days, yay!).

I enjoy reading posts from everyone, those who are worried that need support, those who are sick as a dog and need to get it off their chests, those who aren't sick and it worries them, and those for whom everything is going smoothly. That's the great thing about this board, it is so welcoming and supportive to people in a variety of situations!

Alright, I wrote a novel, and now I need to eat some spicy food and try to clear out my stuffy head. I think I'll be taking my neti pot to work tomorrow!
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Yo Periwinkle and others, we're and due the first week of February, after many months of TTC while nursing a boobaholic toddler! YAY! Feeling pukey and devastatingly tired, but oh so happy that this is finally here (DS is going to be 3 soon).
Planning a homebirth, probably waterbirth if I can get DH on board with that.
Congratulations to all of you!
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Lesley - glad the neti pot worked. They're a lifesaver. You can do funky stuff with it too, like make a chamomile tea, or ginger tea, and neti with that to get the benefits of the herb. Do some research

Welcome Deirdre....

ITA w/shannon....
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jenny. i tend to agree with the other ladies regarding the betas. every woman is different so i'm sure everything is fine. can you pick another mw though?

welcome dierdre!

suz, my doc. doesn't do those either. i did get them done with i had an iui several years ago but that was with a specialist. since it really is true that sometimes you can get pg with just sex, i'm only seeing my regular doctor and she said i could come in early for my first visit and u/s. other than that it's pretty low-key!

so far it's too soon for me to tell if this pg will be similar to my dd's. i remember with the last pg i was craving completely diferent things and wondered if it was a boy. i mean i was eating potato chips plain and i hate those things but they tasted so good lol.

not too much going on here. i think my mil saw my pg mags laying around the other night but she tactfully didnt' say anything. she's probably going nuts now and will unfortuntely have to wait lol. not sure when we'll tell yet. now my stepsister is supposed to come over tonight so i have to pick up all my mags and hide the tests littering the bathroom LOL! now if i can only keep my trap shut :
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Morning all. I am feeling better this morning. Thanks so much for all the reassurance. I'm not sure why I went off the deep end yesterday. I am just really delicate right now, which I'm hoping is in part hormonal (cried at an Onstar commercial on the radio yesterday ).

I know that I have very little control when it comes to any of this. It's kind of like the "Surrender" thread on TTC. That thread has actually been really helpful to me since pregnant. Obviously the midwife yesterday didn't really know what she was talking about. Is this pg ok? Hell if I know. My symptoms are super mild, which has made me nervous, but I think they were at this point in my first pg as well.

I am not using this MW practice for the birth. I had my daughter there (only freestanding birth center in town), and was happy with my care, but there have been changes in ownership and personnel since then. I want to support them because I know they are struggling and I respect the need for as many birth options as possible, but I was already leaning towards a homebirth, and the care I have received lately has definitely convinced me.

'K enough about me...

Welcome Deirdre! I will add you. Should I just put 1st week Feb as your due date?

Stell and Suz: Shannon said it far more eloquently than I can. I think we (many of us on this thread) are an anomaly here at MDC. I never had a beta with either of my previous pregnancies. I had a m/c in Feb and had a day of spotting early on in this pg, so that's why all the intervention. If you have no reason to have this stuff (betas, early u/s) done, my advice would be DON'T! As you can see from my previous post, it can cause lots of stress without a change in outcome.

Denise: No temp this morning . I am planning to ask dh to hide the thermometer just as I had him hide the HPTs. Do you think there could be a correlation between HPT/temp addiction? How was the meeting yesterday? Did you sneak out for potty breaks?

Lesley: I don't know you IRL, but you have the most calming, reassuring voice online. Thankyou! Anymore sinus washes? Did you actually go out and buy a neti pot? It is gross, but really works. I recommend it to patients all the time, but they usually look at me like I'm crazy and get mad because I won't give them antibiotics .

Hev: In my self-centered rant, I never even took the time to tell you that your beta sounds awesome! So glad you're here!

Jen: Thanks for the reassurance. Want to move to NC and catch my babe?

FreeThinker: Good to see you. for the spotting, but it sure sounds benign.

Shannon: Dum dum da dum, all dressed in white...You're getting married tomorrow!!!!!!! . You silly gimpy bride! Be careful for pete's sake!! Are you and Steve sleeping in separate quarters tonight? I certainly hope so!! Oh, and my DH wants to know exactly what you mean by "ice fields." Are they glacial? He is a geography freak and couldn't believe he had never heard of this.

Talk to you soon!

Trying to get my bearings...
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Happy Anniversary Lesley!

jenny yah no temping! isn't it less stressful? your hb sounds wonderful!! i made it through okay. we had one break around 11:30 or so and i was going to go before lunch ended but they called the meeting back to order unexpectedly and 30 minutes later i was dying!!!! then two other people lave the room and i was : so they finally started talking ab out something i couldn't take notes on so i dashed out lol.

i just realized i'm five weeks today! and i have my employment anniversary - 14 years. that's scary.

oh, shannon, i'm so excited for you tomorrow! have a wonderful day and don't sweat the small stuff. enjoy your honeymoon and we'll miss you!
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Can I just vent that i don't want to be at work? I want to be home napping and being with my ds (17 months) and preparing for the new one (not sure what i would do with 8+ months ahead of me, but still). I can't even think about going part time (or no time) until at least my due date, but i totally have no interest in working right now. yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck!!!!
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Thanks Jenny - I find out how much it's risen later today...! And sorry, no-tempers - but I had to temp until at least 18 dpo...and it was even higher today, Feeling mild queasiness off and on, nothing full-on, but I'm not worried. I am pregnant, OMG!!! (yes, it's gradually sinking in...)

tug - hope you make it through the day ok. Are you mon-fri? If so, yay weekend!!

Denise - glad you survived your meeting!

Welcome Diedre!!

Happy Anniversary Lesley and Justin!

Happy Friday everyone...
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Not that we're obsessing about numbers, but my numbers at 16 DPO were 515 (14 dpo=150)....guess I can cancel next Tuesday's HSG, eh?
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yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi gals, I have been lurking and trying to keep up LOL today. I know I won't get everyone, but here goes....

Shannon - have an amazing day tomorrow! Sorry about your pinky but I have a feeling you won't even notice it around this time tomorrow! Also, what great news re: your beta and progesterone!!

Heve - great #s too!

Deirdre - Great news!!! Welcome!

Tug - I SO understand where you're coming from. I work M-W (part-time) and it's all I can do to get in there and do anything productive. I just want to be home nesting too.

Mama2mm - Only 35 weeks to go!! And happy 15 year work anniversary!

Ellie's Mom - Glad you're in better spirits today. My symptoms are changing practically hourly, sometimes I have none at all and I freak out too. But I never got m/s my first pregnancy either... even when my 6 week beta was in the 50,000's with twins!!!

Texas Suz - I am soooo anti-monitoring it's not even funny and I envy your OB's more sane approach! My last pregnancy I was monitored to death being "high risk" / twins and everything and it was just so damn stressful. I vowed not to go through that again this time...

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...Speaking of which... I have given this a lot of thought and think I'm going to back out of this thread for just a little while (maybe even just a couple of days) - I'll still try to keep up with what everyone's doing as much as I can, but I just feel like I need to chill about this pregnancy and not hyper-analyze it - I'm one of those people who easily obsesses about every little thing and for people like me, this format can be kind of stressful. I don't mean ANY offense to anyone here, in fact, it's 100% about me and my inability post anything here without saying "do you think that's normal?" at the end of my post! :LOL Seriously, my last pregnancy being twins / high risk was soooo stressful, and I was in my OB's or my perinatologist's office every other week for one exam or one lab test or another, and I just want to chill out and enjoy this pregnancy more (even if it's twins again!! which I don't think it is, but still). Granted, I may fail miserably at that goal -- I even temped this morning after promising myself I wouldn't! After seeing 98.9 again after a 98.4 dip/blip, it was such a relief I almost started to cry, and I realized, "What the heck are you doing to yourself woman?! RELAAAX already!" So, I think I just need to step back for a moment and regroup. I'll check in really soon! Lots of and blessings to all of you.

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