I'm not asking as an inflammatory question just as one who is changing in my beliefs right now.
"The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference." -Dawkins
I believe this because I see all evidence for one or the other as being interpritable for either side and the only way to see it as proving one or the other is look at it with a biased mind set.
If it looks like I'm trying to pick a fight... I'm not, I'm rarely that obvious.
Apparently doing it rong and ruining it for everyone, but I don't give a crap anymore.
I tried very hard for many years to believe in god, trying different denominations. But at the end of the day, I just don't believe, and I really never have. I just started being honest about it.
I come from a Christian tradition. When I took a hard look at the origins of Christianity, and looked at who wrote the gospels, when they were written and how they changed over time, it all fell apart quickly. I got tired of the mental gymnastics that believers have to perform in order to explain away all the conflicting attributes of god.
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I really consider myself a bit of a deist, though. I think the universe is an amazingly complex place (I do think others might exist). What existed before the universe? Maybe energy has always existed. I think some type of energy had to cause the universe to come into being. Perhaps it's an entirely natural energy, or maybe it's beyond our understanding, or maybe it's the kind of "universal energy" some religions/philosophies talk about. That's the kind of "god" I believe in.
I guess I would be the most atheistic type of deist. Most that I'm aware of believe in a God with some measure of awareness, like an actual being, even if they think He set the universe in motion and then just let it be.
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I could talk your ear off about why, undoubtedly putting you straight to sleep on your keyboard, but you know who sums up my feelings perfectly and much more eloquently? C.S. Lewis. A former athiest, he was someone whose faith was happily married to reason, and I find his talks on God quite lucid. (One quote of his I like: "I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.") If you need a good place to start on why you might rationally consider belief, I cheerfully recommend his book, "Mere Christianity."
There are also some highly regarded scientists and other cerebral folk who've written books on how they've come to believe in some higher being because of their scientific work and how the universe is designed, etc., etc., and I can look those up for you (or anyone else reading this) if interested. (Their names, of course, escape me at the moment, because guys like Richard Dawkins get more press.)
All that said, however... as much as I depend on reason to help me understand (as best a mortal can) my place in the universe, and the Big Guy's, too, I also allow for sacred mystery. One can either be insulted by the idea that one will never, in this realm, know or understand everything there is to know about God, or one can embrace it. I choose to embrace it. Others will think me a fool for saying that, I'm sure, and say I shouldn't believe in anything that can't be proven by our human scientific methods... but that is the nature of faith, is it not? There is something inside of me that pulls me inexorably toward my Abba, and all the Dawkins in the world cannot change that. Sorry, Richard.
I love God, even when all His ineffability drives me nuts. I've come to see Him not as some angry or distant Thing, but as an actual Personality. And so if you ask Him to help you find Him and you mean it (even if the prayer you croak out feels weird or like you're praying into a dead telephone), He will respond. Might not be right away (His timing is also a sacred mystery, it seems like), but He will. So try to stay open. He respects our choices (even when they're wrong) and will not strong-arm you into believing. Wouldn't it be easier if He did? (Of course, that still doesn't mean we'd all be Mother Teresas or whatever. Satan believes in God, too, and look what he's up to. )
Anyway, I have found no signs, proof, reasons etc that any gods exist and the gods of religions seem so obviously man-made to me (not trying to be disrespectful but it is a reason I don't think a god exist).
All of that said, even as a believer I will say that the strong track record of humans trying -- and demonstrably failing -- to explain natural processes through supernatural means gives a good argument to disbelief.
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Horus was *not* born of a virgin, he was *not* born in December (but...neither was Jesus so I don't understand that being a point) there is *no* story of a star preceding his birth he was never referred to as "The Truth" he was not a teacher at the age of twelve. There is no reference to three kings surrounding the birth of Horus. Horus did have a father, Osiris.
Horus *never* died, he was *not* crucified. Horus was not resurrected, his father was. Horus merged with Ra who was the Sun God. He did *not* have twelve disciplines, he had closer to twenty.
Dionysus was *not* born of a virgin. He certainly performed miracles involving wine, he was the God of wine. He was *not* born in December but the Spring. His father was Zeus, who certainly had other male children (Apollo, Aries, Hermes, Hercules, Hephaestus, Perseus, Minos) so he was *not* his only begotten son. He was *not* called the "King of Kings" or the "Alpha and Omega" he was the God of wine. He is reborn in the spring and dies in the winter...which is longer than three days.
I do believe in God.
I think that this divine energy is shaped by the people and things on earth. So before we had "self-reflective consciousness" we had a different kind of divine energy. And as we develop more "interconnected consciousness" that divine energy will change.
I feel that humans are like "wet sand." We're independent and kind "stuck together" like a sand castle. When we die, I think there will NEVER be another entity just like me. I'm unique and only live once. I feel like those grains of sand that are held together as "me" will dry up and join a great big beach again. Some of the grains of sand will go on and get constituted into a "wet human" but they'll never be the same configuration of grains of sand again.
For the record, I belong to the Unity Church and consider myself a Christian and this is all in line with our philosophy. Our church has no dogma and there are people within the church who do believe in re-incarnation. It just never made a lot of sense to me.
Beyond that - I just do not know. I have thoughts and personal stories that do not add up without a god - but no proof - yk?
FWIW - I very much separate religion from the question of whether god exists. I personally know people who hate organized religion, and have thus decided god does not exist (or this is what they have articulated to me). The two do not corelate, IMHO.
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