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I know this thread has probably been 'round the block a few times, but thought I'd bring it up again because lately I've been thinking about this. I think I'm starting to believe that we do live more than once. But then I wonder how that gels with my Christian beliefs, i.e. why do we need a Savior/Redeemer if we just get to do it over again and try harder the next time? Or maybe that's God's mercy in letting us have another chance to discover His grace? I hope I'm not offending anyone by asking such questions.
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It's a question I've asked before too. I'll be watching this discussion. I also am not sure if I believe in reincarnation, but my mom does, and I tend to take her seriously. So, I'd like to consider it. Plus, I think I might be having some past life memories come to the surface, so I'd like to know what's going on. I don't have any answers for you, just that I'm wondering too.
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I consider my self christian.. I believe in re-incarnation.. Partially because of my own experiences, but since i was a small child.. I have had dreams in french, and never taken french.. I took spanish.. I spoke chinese as a child before I spoke english.. Born in Iowa in the US.. I have dreams of long ago places.. I am me, but not.. It's hard to explain..

I think.. And here is my speculation.. That you die and go to heaven to be with god.. You can chose to stay or chose to come back.. Free will is still free will in heaven.. Not that you grow tired of heaven, but that you want to give life another try to maybe "get something right" that you didn't quite get the last time around.. It's not something you have to do, but it's something you can CHOOSE to do..

I believe many things that most christians don't accept right now, so I'm not sure where in christianity I stand.. But I consider my self a christian, and I believe in re-incarnation..

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I don't think the two are compatible at all. It just doesn't make sense. Why would Jesus come, demonstrate Himself as the Son of God, suffer, die and rise if all is necessary to achieve perfection is a cosmic "do over"? Seems like a colossal waste of His time to me. Hebrews 9:26 (??) says man dies once and then the judgement. Once seems to be enough.
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Pynki, maybe you just have the gift of tongues, and didn't know it.

As a Christian, I believe in resurrection, not reincarnation.
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I lean toward a belief in it. I read a book called "Reincarnation: The Missing Link in Christianity" which made so much sense I couldn't believe it. It bridged the gap that I felt in my own Christian heritage and posited some ideas that just made sense to my heart.
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Makes sense to me --according to readings done by Edgar Cayce ,Jesus had past lives also--as a spiritual being before sin came into the material world --He choose to be born in a physical body to show us the way back to the Father --He had several lives --as Melchizedek (without mother or father ,without decent,having neither beginning or end of days--more later

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I don't think the two are compatible at all. It just doesn't make sense. Why would Jesus come, demonstrate Himself as the Son of God, suffer, die and rise if all is necessary to achieve perfection is a cosmic "do over"? Seems like a colossal waste of His time to me. Hebrews 9:26 (??) says man dies once and then the judgement. Once seems to be enough.
I had a dream I was in heaven.. But I WAS STILL STUCK IN CLASS... There were things I **** needed to learn even after dying before I could go into the "city of heaven".. I was in the state, but hadn't reached the capitol sorta thing...

I am having troubles figuireing out exactly what I believe when it come to Jesus, but here is my thought on this.. Jesus came to give us God's grace which we don't deserve.. This grace allows us into heaven.. We die to our sinful ways.. We are still physically alive on earth for a while..

Jesus dies, and his death allows us into the holy of holies.. Heaven.. Whether we stay or not is entirely up to us and whether what we still have to learn we learn in that "classroom" in Heaven, or we try to come back, and "get it" /learn it here on earth..

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I definitely have to agree with Elzabet, there is no biblical basis for reincarnation. I don't claim to know the entire bible and I could be wrong, but in the studying that I have done, nothing like this makes sense.
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I never would have imagined I would be posting such a thread; I've always been very conservative in my beliefs. My world was blasted open when I had my son 3 years ago. I started having all kinds of psychic experiences and things of that nature that I was NOT seeking in any way, but they happened, which started me on this journey. I believe in Jesus and do trust Him to lead me to my soul's home with Him, but between here and there I have to wonder. I'm starting to think that we with our mortal minds cannot even begin to comprehend the foundation of the earth or the galaxies much less the spiritual world that we can't see. Therefore, what we think is either apples or oranges is really bananas.
I know the Scripture about how it's appointed for man to die once and then comes the judgment, but what's after the judgment? I used to wonder why we couldn't just go to heaven after we come to a knowledge and faith in Christ--why even live on earth at all? We don't stay on earth to try and "earn" salvation. By the same token, couldn't our souls exist on other planes and in other times not to earn our way to heaven but to keep growing, learning, and doing good as a sign of our faith or for some other reason that is known only to God?
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From-THE EDGAR CAYCE COMPANION"What part of the New Testament definately teaches reincarnation?"---Answer--"John-6-8,3rd to 5th--Then the rest as a whole."
"Did not John come as the voice of one crying in the wilderness and in the spirit of Elijah?Yet he WAS Elijah!"
Question-"What will convince me of reincarnation?Answer--"An experiience!"
Question-"What action of the early church or council,can be mentioned as that which ruled (out) reincarnation from Christian theology?Answer-Just as indicated -the attempts of individuals to accept or take advantage of ,because of this knowledge ,see?"

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Books on Edgar Cayce --
LIVES OF THE MASTER-THE REST OF THE JESUS STORY
by Glenn Sanderfur
EDGAR CAYCES STORY OF JESUS-by Jeffrey Furst,ed
EDGAR CAYCES STORY OF THE ORIGIN & DESTINY OF MAN
by Lytle Robinson
EDGAR CAYCES STORY OF THE SOUL by W.H. Church

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There are so many quotes that I feel are important --
I am a slow typist though-
Question-
Must each soul continue on to be reincarnated in the earth until it reaches perfection,or are some souls lost?
Answer-Can God lose itself,if God be God -or is it submerged,or is it as given,carried into the universal soul or Consciousness?The SOUL is not lost,the INDIVIDUALITY of the soulthat separated itself is lost.The reincarnation or the opprotunities are continuous until the soul has of itself become an entity in its whol or has submerged itself.
Question-If a soul fails to improve itself,what becomes of it ?
Answer-That why the reincarnaation,why it rencarnates; that it MAY have an opprotunity.Can the will of man continue to defy its maker?
TO FIND THAT YE LIVED ,DIED AND WERE BURIED UNDER THE CHERRY TREE ...DOES NOT MAKE THEE ONE WHIT BETTER NEIGHBOR,CITIZEN OR MOTHER ,OR FATHER.BUT TO KNOW YE SPOKE UNKINDLY AND SUFFERED FOR IT ,AND IN THE PRESENT MAY CORRECT IT BY BEING RIGHTEUOS-THAT IS WORTH WHILE.

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FOR THE RECORD-
Edgar Cayce was raised Baptist -a Sunday School teacher -believer in Jesus Christ--when his "readings mentioned reincarnation -he was shocked -He gradually became convinced of reincarnation .
www.edgarcayce.org

There are many books that cover his readings --Reincarnation & his holistic readings on health are how I got interested in him .

Gradually I became a big fan of his readings (I have them all -14,000 or so on CD Rom)
I was surprised to find his readings brought me back to Jesus.
Putting it all together ,Jesus & reincarnation,is what ended up working for me !

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I hope there is such a thing. I still want a do-over. :LOL
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From-THE EDGAR CAYCE COMPANION"What part of the New Testament definately teaches reincarnation?"---Answer--"John-6-8,3rd to 5th--Then the rest as a whole."
Which specific area in John is this? Do you mean chapter 6-8?

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"Did not John come as the voice of one crying in the wilderness and in the spirit of Elijah?Yet he WAS Elijah!"
I don't follow this either, John 1:21-23 "They asked him, "then who are you? Are you Elijah?"
He said, "I am not."
"Are you the Prophet?"
He answered "No."
Finally they said, "Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?"
John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, "I am the voice of one calling in the desert, 'Make straight the way for the Lord.'"

I do not believe in reincarnation, and showing me some of the readings/writings of Edgar Cayce will not prove anything to me. Show me proof from the bible.
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I know the Scripture about how it's appointed for man to die once and then comes the judgment, but what's after the judgment? I used to wonder why we couldn't just go to heaven after we come to a knowledge and faith in Christ--why even live on earth at all? We don't stay on earth to try and "earn" salvation. By the same token, couldn't our souls exist on other planes and in other times not to earn our way to heaven but to keep growing, learning, and doing good as a sign of our faith or for some other reason that is known only to God?
I'm not denying you had the experiences you wrote about, but I would like to address this question "why even live on earth at all?"

I wonder that same thing at times. I long for Jesus' return to take me away from this life and world but the truth is he gave us the Great Commission "Therefore go and make discples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the HOly Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." Matthew 28:19-20. We are called to "spread the good news"

The other fact is that we don't have to "earn" our salvation. God did that for us when he died on the cross. We don't earn our way to heaven, we get there by accepting Christ as our savior.
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Jengi33-I am assuming it means John chapters 3-5 & 6-8 as it talks of being born again--I think it means literally not just spiritually--It depends on how you take it personally.

You can read what you think it means -I can read what I think it means.
Same words -different meanings.
The Bible has been changed -Constantine or Justinian--I will look it up--they had several verses /chapters /book removed as he did not want to think he caould be born a pauper after being an emperor.
I too believe we have to accept Jesus as our savior--but not just with our words-but with our actions here on earth-no matter how long that it takes-Jesus made the way -he is the way,the truth & the light.

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John Chapter 9 where they speak of the blind man -
It was accepted that Jews did not believe in reincarnation but the Essene sect did-it was a common thought at the time therefore the question was not strange to ask-Rabbi -who sinned this man or his parents that he was born blind? Jesus answered Neither ---NOT what are you thinking,he could not have sinned before being born!

Also -Chapter 8 verse 54-58 -
"Amen ,amen I say to you ,before Abraham came to be ,I AM."

I am looking for the other about Elijah & John.

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John Chapter 9 where they speak of the blind man -
It was accepted that Jews did not believe in reincarnation but the Essene sect did-it was a common thought at the time therefore the question was not strange to ask-Rabbi -who sinned this man or his parents that he was born blind? Jesus answered Neither ---NOT what are you thinking,he could not have sinned before being born!
Ok, I see the point you are trying to make, that this doesn't make much sense, but don't see it as proof of reincarnation

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Also -Chapter 8 verse 54-58 -
"Amen ,amen I say to you ,before Abraham came to be ,I AM."
I believe that Jesus is proving himself to be God by saying this. It refers back to Exodus 3:14 "God said to Moses, this is what you are to say to the Israelites 'I AM has sent me to you'."
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Matthew 11:13-14
For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you care to accept it, he himself is Elijah, who was to come.

Out of context this might be taken to be reincarnation. BUT John himself said he was not Elijah:

John 1:19-21
"And this is the witness of John, when the Jews sent to him priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?" And he confessed, and did not deny, and he confessed, "I am not the Christ." And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" And he said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered, "No."

They are asking this because of Malachi 4:5: "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord." The coming of John was in the spirit of Elijah, also stated in Luke 1:17 (And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers back to the children, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous; so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.) This prophecy given to Zecharias, John's father, by an angel of the Lord regarding John.

So John the Baptist was in the spirit of Elijah, but not actually Elijah reincarnated.
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Thanks for the help Elzabet!

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Wow, this is pretty heated! So I am going to play devil's advocate:
I think Jesus wasn't supposed to be sacrificed when he was. I think it was premature, and thus the founding of Christianity was incomplete. He saw it coming, and he tried to teach all he could, but decided that discussions on reincarnation weren't important (and probably a ton of other stuff like what God looks like etc). He needed to teach us to be as good to each other as possible in this life, to improve the here and now. To teach a better path, he wasn't here to reveal to us everything there is to know about the universe.
And if you think that everything there is to know about God, life and the universe is in one book that I own 4 copies of, you are not thinking. God is bigger than that. I don't think beliving that makes me any less a Christian.
Hope I didn't offend anyone, that's just what I think.

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Actually-I am enjoying getting to review all this .
I also agree that God is bigger than this --it is not so simple as reincarnation or not-spirit is not so easily classified.
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I agree that God is far bigger than words on a page but He is also reasonable and reincarnation is not reasonable.

My understanding of reincarnation is that it allows someone to achieve perfect karma and enter/unite with Nirvana after learning/doing whatever it is they are supposed to learn/do, right?

So....this implies that sometime in the past everyone a first incarnation. In that case, each person already had perfect karma since in the first incarnation he had had no previous life from which to gain "bad" karma. Logically, if he had perfect karma that first time there would be no need for further incarnations so poof!! Instant Nirvana. Besides, after hundreds of cycles of trying to figure it out, why will hundreds of more incarnations with their accumulated bad karma help? It's not reasonable. maybe there's something I'm missing?
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Personally I don't see it as a matter of karma, I see it as a matter of learning. You start out ignorant of what its like to have to get along with people you don't like, what its like to love and be love, what its like to deal with despair and defeat and a hundred other things we can experience. And so you have life times where you learn these things, there are more lessons that one can learn in one life, so you come back over and over until you reach full understanding. You are right, that you were good when you were created, but you were not created all knowing. Knowing comes with experiences. And I think learning until we reach enlightenment is the goal.

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From my point of view ,we fell when we were spiritual beings & having a body to begin with is the way out--the way back to God -We have to put the spiritual back into the physical kind of thing.

I read a book that has many good points ---REINCARNATION-THE MISSING LINK IN CHRISTIANITY by Elizabeth Clare Prophet--I do not agree with all she teaches elsewhere but she covers Judaism ,Moses,Plato,Jesus' teachings on reincarnation,karma,gnosticism,resurrection,man & God ,etc


In her book it says,"The disciples ask Jesus,"Why do the scribes say that Elijah has to come first?"--they had seen the transfiguration -Moses & Elijah & Jesus-

According to Mark,Jesus answers,"True,Elijah is to come first and to see that everything is as it should be...However,I tell you that Elijah has come & they have treated him as they pleased"
Matthew gives the same story but adds to his account-"The disciples understood then that he had been speaking of John The Baptist."

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Justinian 1--Fifth Council of the Church--in 553,its anathemas form the foundation for the rejection of reincarnation-in 551 he condems the 10 principles of Origenism.

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I am a Christian, but I have also experienced too many spiritually profound experiences in my life; have had premonition dreams, spoke to my father after his death.. so many coincidences that I believe we are reincarnated. I believe we decide before we return to this lifetime what our new life will contain, and what we wish to learn from it.

I believe at some stage of evolving, we achieve peace within, and then at that time we can either choose to return to Nirvana or to live another lifetime on Earth just for the experience of it.
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