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I see this term more and more lately, and I have to confess...


I don't get it.

Seriously, would someone mind explaining this idea to me? To me, this is like saying, "Vegetarians for Meat!" or "Rappers for Manilow!"
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probably means like "spiritual warriors for Christ or something, fighting against evil...

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probably means like "spiritual warriors for Christ or something, fighting against evil...
Actually, yeah. Without the nuts part though

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I just figure there one of those annoying people who hand out tracts and go door to door trying to push there beliefs on people.

Seriously?
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Oooh boy.


I imagine they mean it in a spritual sense as opposed to a literal one. I don't think they are out there donning war gear and weaponry in the name of Christ. It's just a guess (err hope) though. I didn't read all the way through these but a google search finds this:
Warriors for Christ Warrior 4 Christ

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.... "Rappers for Manilow!"


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What? We happen to have some very agressive pushers in my area and they call themselves the same thing.

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To me, this is like saying, "Vegetarians for Meat!" or "Rappers for Manilow!"
Or as a fellow camel enthusiast likes to say - "screwing for virginity".
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They mean :
Folks fighting for good, supernaturally empowered.

(I used to be Christian. Now I'm an atheist. I think.)
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I just figure there one of those annoying people who hand out tracts and go door to door trying to push there beliefs on people.
Well, it's not the Mormons, I can tell you that!! LOL!! But many years ago, some Mormon, maybe it was BYU film department, put a movie out called Saturday's Warrior. It was pretty cool back then, but way so cheesy now.

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Even as a born again Christian myself , I'm not to sure of what that term means.
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There's a fairly lengthy theological tradition of describing Christians as "soldiers" for God.

(Battle Hymn of the Republic, anybody? "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord; He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored; He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword; His truth is marching on..."

Or Onward Christian Soldiers? "Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus, going on before...")

My guess is that "warriors" just sounds cooler than "soldier" to the people making that description. And with the allegiances between the Christian right and the Bush administration and the war in Iraq, there's probably an intentional attempt to connect average Christian with the war.

JMO.

I think it's a crappy, crappy metaphor, BTW, and dangerous and wrongheaded when taken literally. But hey, I'm only a Ph.D candidate in theology, so what do I know?

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Hey, I like Barry Manilow.

Why isn't this in Spirituality?

And yes, I am sure it is meant in a spiritual sense, not literal.
Not even as a way to connect Christians to Bush and the war...but I was an art major, so what do I know?

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Or as a fellow camel enthusiast likes to say - "screwing for virginity".
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For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

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My guess is that "warriors" just sounds cooler than "soldier" to the people making that description. And with the allegiances between the Christian right and the Bush administration and the war in Iraq, there's probably an intentional attempt to connect average Christian with the war.

JMO.

I've heard the phrase all my life (growing up in a christian home), it's a spiritual warfare thing, and it was coined long before GWB was in office.
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I guess that the phrase "warriors for Christ" seems really confusing to me given Christ's very, very clear stance on nonviolence, even to the point of nonresistance to a violent act. To me, this seems like such an odd contradiction in terms (Carnivores for Buddha! Virgins for Christina Aguilera!) -- and a violation of the message Christ was sending, KWIM?

And because it was potentially offensive / critical, I didn't put it in Spirituality -- it seemed to violate the UA.
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I see this term more and more lately, and I have to confess...


I don't get it.

Seriously, would someone mind explaining this idea to me? To me, this is like saying, "Vegetarians for Meat!" or "Rappers for Manilow!"
hmm not really. have you read revelation?
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I guess that the phrase "warriors for Christ" seems really confusing to me given Christ's very, very clear stance on nonviolence, even to the point of nonresistance to a violent act.
Term that I hear people use more is "prayer warrior"...I like that batter because the Bible talks about how there is a battle in the spiritual realms and how we shoudln't worry about anything, but pray about everything. I find "warriors for Christ" putting a strange picture in my head.

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Well, unless you are a Christian it is kind of hard to understand. There are many references in the New Testament referring to christians as soldiers or the like.Why don't you look it up?There is a spiritual battle, whether we choose to beleive so or not, according to the Bible.

It is certainly NOT meant as a reference to the war, or Bush, or just americans in general.

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yeah that....it had me confused til I looked it up.

I knew it wasn't a reference to the War or Shrub or even Americans....because most of the Christians I know irl are pretty upset about the war , and the over all "job" that Shrub has been doing.
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I just figure there one of those annoying people who hand out tracts and go door to door trying to push there beliefs on people.
ah you must be canadian its election time here...


or them girl guide cookie pushers, here you need sugar..

I personally don't get the warriors for christ except that it is an oxymoron, and in its polar meaning draws attention to the fact Jesus was a peace activist... So warring for peace...? I think if Jesus thought being a warrior was a suitable imagry he might have picked up a sword not an olive branch.

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I've heard the phrase all my life (growing up in a christian home), it's a spiritual warfare thing, and it was coined long before GWB was in office.
I grew up in a non-evangelical Christian home and this phrase gets much less play in my tradition. Just FWIW.

I didn't, however, suggest that it was coined to suit Bush; I'm saying that I think that one use to which this concept is put by evangelicals who also have a Bush-friendly political agenda is to connect Christianity and the war in Iraq. I think "warrior" is a more modern version than "soldier," but the idea is ancient.

To Leilau - the idea that there "is a spiritual battle" going on is one very specific reading of the NT texts. It's not a given for every Christian.

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hmm not really. have you read revelation?
Yes, but the idea conveyed by the phrase "Warriors for Christ" is that they're warriors for Christ...not John the Divine.
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Well, unless you are a Christian it is kind of hard to understand. There are many references in the New Testament referring to christians as soldiers or the like.Why don't you look it up?There is a spiritual battle, whether we choose to beleive so or not, according to the Bible.

It is certainly NOT meant as a reference to the war, or Bush, or just americans in general.
I confess my ignorance here, but maybe you can help me. Where does Jesus (not Paul, not John the Divine, not any commentator, but Jesus) say that Christians are soldiers?
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I personally don't get the warriors for christ except that it is an oxymoron, and in its polar meaning draws attention to the fact Jesus was a peace activist... So warring for peace...?
To quote an oft-quoted idea that I think was already mentioned, isn't warring for peace like f***ing for virginity? Aborting for adoption? Hating for love?

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I think if Jesus thought being a warrior was a suitable imagry he might have picked up a sword not an olive branch.

That's kind've my impression, but again, I don't claim to know all there is to know about the Bible.
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I have nothing useful to add to this thread (not so different from my contributions in most threads, come to think of it) so I'm just going to sing!

Ahem. La La La

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
forward into battle see his banners go!
(Refrain)

At the sign of triumph Satan's host doth flee;
on then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell's foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
(Refrain)


3 more verses, eh, nevermind. My fingers are tired.
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I have nothing useful to add to this thread (not so different from my contributions in most threads, come to think of it) so I'm just going to sing!

that's not true you silly!
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Hiya, Charmarty!!!

Many threads make me want to break out into song, but this one especially so. It's a catchy little tune.
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