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Very interesting thread I need to revive it in hopes of hearing a response to msholly's question from earlier which was not addressed. I have asked it numerous times in these discussions and have never heard a logical response. I'm eagerly anticipating a break in the silence that tends to follow this very valid point.

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these generalizations about gender...how do you view them in light of transgender and transsexual people who undergo hormone replacement therapy? how do you think that affects people? or anyone else who has an imbalance of either estrogen or testosterone--both of which can be adjusted through hormone therapy? if you know anyone who's gone through either puberty or menopause, then you know that hormones are very powerful and influential things...and as far as i'm concerned, lead to question what makes a man a man? or a woman a woman? is it hormones? is it ovaries? breasts? testes? what happens when those have to be removed because of cancerous growth or whatever?
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Still waiting

I think a definition of the "two genders" is pretty paramount to the discussion.
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yes, i'm still waiting also :
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Well, Ms Holly, I guess it's up to you and me then.
The reason why intersex, transsexual, and transgendered people are not taken into account by people who take an approach to interpreting the bible in a way that strictly subjugates women's rights to take leadership roles, is that the bible does not mention them. The mainsteam western definition of the two genders is a purely social idea. There are more than two genders. Therefore, to interpret the bible as a manual on "wifely submission" is a falacious one at best. At worst (and more likely) it is an obvious and, to me, transpsarent method for the stereotypical male to maintain his footing and control over the rest of humanity. When taken in that context, and applied to the rules of christianity (I was raised in a strict catholic home), the men who rule the church and the roost would be committing the sin of being prideful (according to the doctrine with which I was raised which says that Pride is one of the seven deadly sins). And thus, enabling them to do so, we would be guilty as well.
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In light of recently removed posts, I felt the need to further clarify:

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