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#61 of 69 Old 11-15-2007, 05:28 PM
 
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If you are curious about some really interesting material on this topic, you should read some Catholic prophecy. They all say essentially the same thing.

A good one that compiles almost two centuries worth of Catholic Prophecy is this book:

Catholic Prophecy: The Coming Chastisement by Yves DuPont

God has always historically given the world a warning before He chastises it, and so that 'shift in consciousness' will be the Warning before the Great Chastisement. The Warning will be an event where everyone in the world is given the view of their soul as God Himself sees it. This will be so incredibly frightening that a few people may die from it, but it will bring about the conversion of many sinners, while increasing the fervor and devotion of the just. Of course, there will also be those who are obstinate in the face of the Warning and still refuse to recognize God.

Then the Great Chastisement will come (also known as the Three Days of Darkness) and there will be a short period of peace following. After that will be the Final Battle and then Christ's Second Coming in triumph to end this world.

Google the Apparition of Our Lady of Garabandal Spain, which has more info on these prophecies.

Actually this is the kind of stuff that my mom was into and traumatized me. Something doesn't sit right with me about the Garabandal appartions. PM me, Stacy, if you'd like to discuss!
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All who are concerned with the cultural implications of "end time watching" should watch the piece that Bill Moyers did on American Zionism. Brilliant, and profoundly disturbing.

OT, but you mean, I think Christian Zionism, not "American Zionism."


There's nothing disturbing about Zionism any more than there is about any national liberation/independence movement (which Zionism is ... a national liberation movement for Jews).

What's disturbing to Mr. Moyers and others is the obsession among some Christians with promoting Zionism, specifically due to the theological backstory in Christian support for Zionism.

Different thing entirely.




Just so it's clear.
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OT, but you mean, I think Christian Zionism, not "American Zionism."



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I believe the whole concept of "End times being near" is a manifestation of people's general inability to envision the world without themselves in it. The world will go on, one way or the other. If we cause an environmental disaster, other life forms will take our place.

If "End times" are seen in the xtian sense, where humans are Creation's crowning glory, yeah then maybe we are. But it will be self-destruction, not some savior descending.
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Definately maybe.

I mean, let's say we are... what's soon to God? I dunno. As I understand Genesis, the first day of creation was like a few billion years.

In my view, if human behavior is indicative of the End Times, then I think the Beginning of the End was the Agrarian Revolution, which was what, several thousand years ago?

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I believe the whole concept of "End times being near" is a manifestation of people's general inability to envision the world without themselves in it. The world will go on, one way or the other. If we cause an environmental disaster, other life forms will take our place.
I've been wondering this since I've had a kid. Since giving birth it seems like the world is going to hell in a handbasket and I find myself apologizing to dd frequently for bringing her into the world. But then when I'm feeling less guilty I wonder if all parents don't think that way. My mother said she did. Facing your own mortality when having kids and taking stock of the state of the world that you'll leave your kids in seems pretty natural. Add into it your own religion's beliefs of the end of the world and of course every generation is going to think it's the end of times.

What I found particularly heinous was during the Israel/Lebanon war 2 summers ago all the cheering Israel on and rooting it would last a certain amount of time to fulfill prophecy by Christian end of timers. And the palapable disappoint when it didn't last as long as needed. Why would you want to believe in a God that would encourage His believers to root for that sort of thing?
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Are we in end times? I don't know; and honestly, it isn't something I worry about. I'm secure in my personal relationship with Jesus Christ as my Savior, so I choose to focus on that - b/c it brings me joy, rather than worry.

Since "time" is a concept of humans and not God, for all we know we have been in "end times" for centuries. Every era in history can point to specific events that could be translated as "end time" phenomena. It's how fanatics get their material and obtain a following. It's how Tim LeHaye and Jerry Jenkins, et al sell gazillions of books and make tons of $$$.

I trust in Jesus, period. I've claimed my salvation in Him. Thus, I don't feel the need to obsess over "end times", "Rapture", the possibility of being "Left Behind", "the Great Tribulation", etc.

Every baptized Christian is, or should be, someone with an actual (disturbing) experience, ... a close encounter, with God; someone who, as a result, becomes a disturbing presence to others. - Fr. Anthony J. Gittins, A Presence That Disturbs
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If you are curious about some really interesting material on this topic, you should read some Catholic prophecy. They all say essentially the same thing.

A good one that compiles almost twenty centuries worth of Catholic Prophecy is this book:

Catholic Prophecy: The Coming Chastisement by Yves DuPont

God has always historically given the world a warning before He chastises it, and so that 'shift in consciousness' will be the Warning before the Great Chastisement. The Warning will be an event where everyone in the world is given the view of their soul as God Himself sees it. This will be so incredibly frightening that a few people may die from it, but it will bring about the conversion of many sinners, while increasing the fervor and devotion of the just. Of course, there will also be those who are obstinate in the face of the Warning and still refuse to recognize God.

Then the Great Chastisement will come (also known as the Three Days of Darkness) and there will be a short period of peace following. After that will be the Final Battle and then Christ's Second Coming in triumph to end this world.

Google the Apparition of Our Lady of Garabandal Spain, which has more info on these prophecies.
Is this approved Catholic reading - does it have the Imprimatur? I know the Catholic church is very careful about the teaching of The Book of Revelation.

I agree with the PP that said that those in power are trying to create the end times. Some are so gung-ho about it happening in our times, that they just might succeed.
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Is this approved Catholic reading - does it have the Imprimatur? I know the Catholic church is very careful about the teaching of The Book of Revelation.
Yes, it does have the Imprimatur.

Also, two more that are good and have Imprimaturs are:

Prophecy For Today: A Summary of the Catholic Tradition Concerning the End-Of-Time Era by Edward Connor


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The Book Of Destiny by Fr. Herman Bernard Kramer
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