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This is off topic, but since we're going there...

We read the Bible all the time growing up, at home and during CCD. I didn't go to Catholic school, but I'm assuming they did as well.

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This is very interesting, I didn't know this. Thanks for sharing.
I didn't know that about the Islamic view of Mary, either. Pretty cool!

For what it is worth, I went to Catholic school for 10 years, and probably wore my Bible out. We used it constantly, reading from it in class or doing assignments based on whatever place in the book we were in.

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That sounds like a GREAT class!!

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I know that the EO reject the RCC doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, but they do believe in the Assumption, right? Just not to the point of having an official doctrine on it? (Please correct me if I'm wrong!)
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Sorry for the guano, but:

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It was! It was taught by a rabbi, and it was the most wonderfullest (I know that's not a word, lol) class I've ever taken. It was specifically about women mystics, and we discussed every religion imaginable. Catholicism is very mystical, so we discussed that a lot. I've never been religious, but I kind of had an epiphany while in the class, like I signed up for it for a reason (besides needing it for graduation ).
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I know that the EO reject the RCC doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, but they do believe in the Assumption, right? Just not to the point of having an official doctrine on it? (Please correct me if I'm wrong!)
The feast known as the Assumption or Dormition refers to the death of the Mother of God. To that extent, obviously we (Orthodox) believe it took place.
It is also celebrated as a feast because of the belief that, as one of the holiest of people, Mary's death assumes her reception into the heights of Heaven. The Orthodox believe this as well.
The main distinction seems to be a different approach to "official doctrine." The Orthodox church is less inclined to make any kind of official pronouncement on doctrines. In the case of very long-standing beliefs like this one, it is seen as a pointless formality.

The difference of opinion about the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is one aspect of a disagreement about Mary's role in the conception and birth of Christ.
The RC church teaches that Mary was chosen before her birth to be the mother of Christ, and that she was made appropriate and worthy by being born free from all sin, even rendered unable to sin according to many RC theologians.
The Orthodox church believes that Mary was a good and devout woman, but no more free from sin than any other human being. She was asked to serve as mother of Christ, because of her holy life; she could have refused the honour and burden. Therefore, we feel that she was an active participant in our salvation, not just the vessel through which it was achieved.

This distinction can be seen in a tiny difference between the RC and the EO version of the Nicene Creed. The RC church, in its older Latin version, says that Christ was conceived "of the Holy Spirit, through the Virgin Mary." ("incarnátus est de Spíritu Sancto ex María Vírgine") The EO church says that Christ was conceived "of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary."
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Does Islam have any sacred traditions or writings regarding Mary's childhood?
What else does Islam believe about Mary. i am really interested in hearing that perspective!

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Does Islam have any sacred traditions or writings regarding Mary's childhood?
What else does Islam believe about Mary. i am really interested in hearing that perspective!
I'm not totally up-to-date on it... I'll try and read my Qur'an a little tonight and tomorrow and get back to you. :

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This distinction can be seen in a tiny difference between the RC and the EO version of the Nicene Creed. The RC church, in its older Latin version, says that Christ was conceived "of the Holy Spirit, through the Virgin Mary." ("incarnátus est de Spíritu Sancto ex María Vírgine") The EO church says that Christ was conceived "of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary."
I prefer your version! Although, I swear, I was always taught that Mary could've said no - free will and all that.

I'm sure Roman goddesses helped pave the way for the veneration of Mary within the Church - it only makes sense to me, personally - but it is surely her due!

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I prefer your version! Although, I swear, I was always taught that Mary could've said no - free will and all that.
You're correct, the Church teaches that Mary fully consented to carrying Christ. Though I suppose you could argue that since she was free of original sin she'd have no reason to refuse God in the first place.
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This is off topic, but since we're going there...

We read the Bible all the time growing up, at home and during CCD. I didn't go to Catholic school, but I'm assuming they did as well.

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You may want to research the many Marianist communities and the world wide movement.

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Scripture? How about commentary. I went to Catholic School for eight years and rarely read scripture; it was referred to, but we never read it for ourselves. More recently my two younger sons attended Catholic High Schools and never cracked a Bible.

A Cathechism yes. TExtbooks yes. Never a Bible.
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We read Scripture daily, and my daughter's Catholic school did the same, even in Pre-K and Kindergarten.
: Plus, scripture is EVERYWHERE in the Catholic Church. All the prayers are directly from scripture, Liturgy of the Hours, if it is done, is a prayer of the psalms and scripture, one who attends daily mass is getting scripture and will read the the bible in 2 years time I believe, just by doing that.

BUT, the Catholic Church's belief is that it is ultimately the parents responsibility to educate their children in the faith. Schools can help but if they are not doing the job, it is the parents responsibility to ensure a child is properly catechised. Eph 6:1-4 doesn't say send them to school to learn about God and your obligation is done.



Quick take on the OP just the Catholic part as I have never been protestant so can't answer that: Mary leads to Jesus. She is the new Eve who said yes and birthed Jesus, who is both God and Human. Mary is important because of her connection to Jesus. She is not to be worshiped, but she is our mother in Heaven and as such she is to be respected and honored.

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will read the the bible in 2 years time I believe, just by doing that.
3 years time
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3 years time
Aww, thank you. I thought it was 3 years with just Sunday and 2 with daily but I so should be asleep and can't remember anyway.

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: Plus, scripture is EVERYWHERE in the Catholic Church. All the prayers are directly from scripture, Liturgy of the Hours, if it is done, is a prayer of the psalms and scripture, one who attends daily mass is getting scripture and will read the the bible in 2 years time I believe, just by doing that..


THIS!

I was going to type this up, thanks for beatingme to it.

I was totally confused when she said there was no scripture.
EVERYTHING in my catholic life is scripture. :

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One note on the pagan customs adopted by the RC Church- Catholics believe that God used many ways to prepare people to receive His message. He did this with the Jews most explicitly (throuhg prophets, etc) but He also worked through pagan cultures less explicitly. So, if their pagan worship of a goddess led them to identify with Christ's mother, there is no problem with that.
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