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mamaMAMAma 04-24-2002 11:22 PM

Okay, I'm talking about DH drinking coke at home not our 19month old DD. DH and I had a long conversation at 2 in the morning. He wants to drink coke at dinner again because he is falling asleep when we lie down with dd at 8pm (we had an agreement before that he would only drink coke outside the house). I believe in only having healthy foods at home, for our own health and dd as well. DH is arguing that he lives in the house too and should have a say in what he eats. And yes, I know I'm a food nazi. I argue that dd always wants what we eat/drink and the sugar and caffeine is inappropriate for a small child(or a big one). Anyways, I can go on and on about this. DH is a very logical, factual person, and I'm wondering if anyone out there has any statistics or facts that explain why drinking coke or other sodas is bad for you. (DH says caffeine is actually healthy for you... which I know in small amounts stimulate your brain).

saige 04-24-2002 11:39 PM

i love diet coke

jasnjakesmama 04-25-2002 01:22 AM

I love regular coke

But seriously, I am not sure this is a battle worth fighting. I know you want him to be healthy. I want the same thing for my husband (we have these types of battles allll the time) but sometimes you have to let him do what he needs (wants) to do.
How about thinking of ways that he could have a coke with dinner on the sly? Maybe put it in a dark colored bottle. Not sure exactly what you could do but there should be a compromise.

Parthenia 04-25-2002 01:37 AM

I try to keep healthy foods only in our house, but it's true, dh lives here, too. If he wants to bring a bag of Doritos into the house, dd and I don't have to eat them.
Here's something not so great about carbonated drinks (which no one likes at our house). And this isn't going to sound very eloquent, but it's late and I'm not feeling very scientific. I read somewhere, maybe a pregnancy herbal book?, that phosphoric acid interferes with the body's absoprtion of Calcium. Caffiene can decrease bone density.

saige 04-25-2002 09:57 AM

And aspartame sucks,and ect ect.But you know what? I DONT CARE.I try to eat 90% healthy,and that's good.But sometimes I just want to have something that I WANT to have with no regard for whether it's good for me.It is the one thing I allow myself.I battled eating disorders and crap like that for way to long and always deprived my self of everything,and I'm sick of it frankly.If I really want something,I'm gonna have it.I think it becomes way to easy to get almost to the point of obsession with healthy eating.I think everything in moderation.(Oh,and sometimes a good unhealthy binge)

leafylady 04-25-2002 10:03 AM

Can't he have caffeinated tea or coffee after dinner? This could turn into a nice after dinner ritual, with you drinking a decaf herbal and he drinking something with some caffeine. Your kids could join in.

Regular soda pops have tons of sugar in them, and not much else. They rot teeth. Coffee or tea drinkers usually don't add more than a tsp of sugar, only 4g carbohydrates, not bad at all.

I let my dh keep his diet Coke in our workshop fridge because he just likes it. That's ok too. But we don't make it a regular sight in our home.

Soda pops are highly overmarketed and have contributed greatly to the poor nutritional habits and rotten dental health of our kids, especially when the pop is so accessible at their schools.

member 04-25-2002 10:49 AM

My problem with Coca Cola is the company - advertising in public schools, slave wages, etc. Therefore, I would advise buying from a smaller soda complany like Dr. Hansen's.

But if you just don't want all the sugar in your house, I would recommend the coffee/tea idea.

dotcommama 04-25-2002 11:03 AM

Coke and soda in general are not good for you - I think we'd all agree on that, at least for the most part.

However, my feeling is that your dh is an adult and he should be able to drink whatever he chooses. My dh does not have great eating/drinking habits. He drinks coke/pepsi with every meal. My kids (4 and 2) know that it's not for them to drink and they don't ask for it.

Same with the cookies and junk food my dh keeps in the house for himself - the kids know it's Daddy's food and they don't ask for it. I hope that my dh will, overtime, become a more healthy eater - but I feel that he is an adult and has a right to make decisions about the foods and beverages that go into his body. I don't mean that as an insult to you mamaMAMAma - I understand that you don't want him setting a bad example for the kids - but I think your kids will understand that some things are for Daddy's and not kids.

Just my .02.

leafylady 04-25-2002 11:34 AM

You might point out that he could have a cup of coffee or tea and a small piece of homemade cake, or brownie, for about the same amount of sugar as is in a regular soda pop. If he drinks diet pop, then that strategy won't work.

mamaMAMAma 04-25-2002 12:49 PM

Thanks for all the great advice. I suggested coffee as a substitute too - figuring it has caffeine, no sugar(he drinks it black) and even if dd wants to try it, it tastes awful. Offering a healthy dessert to go with the coffee is a great idea. DH loves chocolate, so maybe I can make some carob chip cookies.

Irishmommy 04-25-2002 01:08 PM

I think I remember hearing about when a tooth is left in a glass of coke overnight it totally dissolves? I'm also sure there was a thread on the old boards about all the disgusting things coke can do, like paramedics using it to clean blood off the road, etc.

Having said that, I like caffeine free diet coke. I know, what's the point!!! Dd1 sometimes will ask for pop, will take one mouthful and go back to her milk, so basically we never refuse her when she asks (which is only when we are drinking it too!). Dd2 will drink it in preference to milk or water, so we don't drink it around her!

chocobotkid 04-25-2002 01:56 PM

my dad (who we live with) drinks up to 2 litres of coke a day. my mom, dh and i only drink it out of the house...my dad also drinks alot of carnation instant breakfast (nestle) which we also avoid. it's a tough one, probably not worth fighting, unless you kid is trying to get some too, wants to drink what dad has. yuck.

daylily 04-25-2002 02:44 PM

I agree with those who say you may be fighting a losing battle. The more you try to force your dh to give up the Coke, the more tenaciously he'll cling to it. You could remind him of all the ways that soda is bad for him and let him choose to give it up on his own. Like Irishmommy, I've heard of the experiment where you leave a baby tooth in a glass of coke and it dissolves. Parthenia's mention of soda being bad for bone density sounds familiar.

My dh drinks beer every single night. Obviously, it's not appropriate for kids. My kids don't have a problem with the concept that some things are for adults only.

oceanbaby 04-25-2002 04:26 PM

I read somewhere that the amount of sugar in one can of soda causes a measurable weakening of the immune system.

I agree with you about setting a healthy example for your kids. I'm trying to do the same. We got sodas out of our house for the most part. I just don't buy them, and dh never goes to the store, so they just aren't here. I thought it would be really hard since we used to drink them with dinner, but after the first week I really didn't miss it. Now when I have a soda I can rarely even finish a whole one, it's so sweet. Maybe dh would agree to a trial run? I agree that you can't really tell your dh what to eat or not, even though I would love to do that around here! Dh sneezes every time he eats chocolate, but refuses to acknowledge that maybe that's his body's way of telling him he shouldn't eat it!

When I was a kid we had a one soda a day rule, whether it was at the house or out and about.

Oh, and here's something else we do. I buy a lot of sparkling water, since sometimes we just want something with carbonation. And then every now and then I buy those flavored syrups that cafes usually have for coffees. I add a teaspoon or two of the syrup to sparkling water, and voila, soda. You end up using much less sugar than if you bought the canned stuff. I like the orange flavor, yum!

Edited to add: Despite all that, sometimes I love a cup of ice cold coke, especially when my stomach is upset.

lilyka 04-25-2002 05:41 PM

OK this is coming from someone who is addicted to Coke. I love it and I don't want to give it up (although now that I am pg I limit myself to one a week).

Howabout if he is discreet about it. Maybe putting it in an opaque cop so dd can't see what is in it. My children were mostly attracted to the bubbles and can. There were sparkeling juices at the co-op that pleased them for a specail treat. You can also make sparkeliing juice by mixing concentrate with spakeling water.

If your husband just needs caffien (although I am pretty sure this isn't his only reason for drinking coke) green tea is a good source of caffien with lots of added benifits.

daylily 04-25-2002 06:27 PM

DOH! I just read an article about what refined sugar does to the body. Sugar abuse suppresses the immune system, upsets the balance of minerals, can lead to malnutrition, yeast problems, hypoglycemia, diabetes and some cancers. The more you eat, the more you crave. The article recommended vitamin B supplements for people trying to kick the sugar habit.

Also, I read in the Tightwad Gazette that the average American family spends an obscene ammount of money on soft drinks.

robynberkley 04-25-2002 09:21 PM

I'm with Saige... I love diet coke That being said...I agree it has ZERO nutritional value but I have my bad habits and that is definitely one of them!!!

Just as I would restrain my child from alcoholic beverages (of course there are a lot of reasons to do that, legal and ethical not withstanding), my DH and I tell her that soda is a drink she may have when she is older (she's 5 now) and more grownup. She complains on occasion but generally is OK with it.

Now...Perhaps you can compromise with your DH and he will ONLY drink soda after your daughter is in bed. I like the camouflage idea a few people had too...disguise it in an opaque cup...maybe one of those hot/cold drink cups with the lid on it so he can pretend it is something else. I respect your desire to keep healthy food in the house, but to echo others...he is a grownup...these sorts of things are always hard!

Clarity 04-26-2002 01:37 AM

how about a "daddy fridge" in the bedroom/garage/workshop/basement? So they're cold and available in a kidfree zone. A daddy travel mug or squeeze bottel might be good...they never have to know what's IN it. I mean adults drink coffee all the time and children rarely get it...maybe you could get them to assume it's coffee?

The phosphoric acid depletes the calcium in your bones...a big problem for girls especially, but a bad idea for anyone... There is also discussiont hat the huge amounts of sugar we eat contribute to the massive increase in adult-onset diabetes we've seen in the last few decades.

snailmama 04-27-2002 11:11 AM

Whole Foods Store make a natural cola soda, no caffeine, but it sure gets me jacked, all that sugar.
Anyway why would you drink something "diet" that is known to cause cancer in lab animals? There are natural diet soda sweetened with stevia.
Also,
Coca Cola is used to clean blood off the road after accidents.
That stuff also weakens your immune system, my friend Faye was a big Coke drinker and ended up with BOILS all over body, LOTS OF THEM.

What about some green tea?

Please don't let anyone you love drink Coca COla or Pepsi.

joesmom 04-27-2002 05:04 PM

Thank goodnes-- I drink Dr. Pepper!

Love, Jenny

lilyka 04-27-2002 07:43 PM

Tree reasons I drink Coke instead of the natural stuff.

1) Coke $.50 available from machines every block or so, natural stuff $1.50 available at the co-op down town (mess) or the health food store across town near the worst intersection in 100 mile radius.

2) Coke - all those memories and good times. It all comes back when I hear that tiissssh, those little bubbles hit my nose, and I smell that familiar aroma. If I am going to die, I will do it happy. (And I can use that excuse bnecause it isn't hurting anyone else)
Safer than prozac moire legal than pot .

3) Taste better than the natural stuff plain and simple.

Sorry but I totally understand your husbands need. Look at the bright side. It could be worse. Mine drinks Mt. Dew which ruins his white shirt (yellower sweat), costs us nearly $100 a month (although we own the machine now and it is often a business expense, but we own the business so it is still money out of our pockets) and replaces water.

Good luck coming up with a comprimise. My hubby gives the kids bologna and velbeeta sandwhiches and there is nothing I can do to stop him. At least it doesn't sound like your dh is sharing.

saige 04-27-2002 08:35 PM

Lilyka and Jenny- you guys are a riot!!!!:LOL

cobluegirl 04-28-2002 02:34 AM

Pepsi addict here....but we dont buy it for the house often. We just drink it when we eat out.

Dovesong 04-29-2002 06:22 PM

What exactly is phosphoric acid and is it in all carbonated drinks including selzer or just some sodas. Is it a listed ingredient?

snailmama 04-30-2002 12:34 AM

Whole Foods Brand Cola is very good!
It is only $2 for a six pack.
It has natural cane sugar,no caffeine , and is Non Gmo.
I just think Coca Cola and Pepsi are POISON.
Why would you fill your bodies with that?
Because it is convenient to get it out of a machine?, because it is cheaper?
I don't mean to be rude, sorry if I sound that way.
There are alternatives for those who care about their bodies and the planet.

cobluegirl 04-30-2002 01:15 AM

snailmama


Because I like the way it tastes, pure and simple. Good thing we all have differences....if we all thought the same the world would be boring.

sarenka 04-30-2002 05:52 AM

I symaphise with the coke battle, Coke is seen by my inlaws as practically the Messiah after communism!!!
My dd drinks it there, at home she is into "fizzy water" and I drink it whenever I feel unhealthy, on the quiet like some kind of homeopathic medicine!!

OceanMomma 04-30-2002 06:29 AM

Some days I feel like such a freak. I've always hated coke. I had some at a party once when I was about 6 & spewed all night. I've not been able to look a glass in the face since. I'm now 37 My loathing of the stuff runs so deep that I truly have no idea how people can drink the stuff, let alone enjoy it. Maybe force feeding a small child too much coke so they're sick is a good strategy to put them off for life!

When I used to get free bottles with pizza, in the good ol days, I used to use it to clean the toilet. On the odd occasion I used to have to have coke in my bourbon ( also back in the good ol days ), I always used to break out in zits the next day. The only advantage I found is it was a cheap way to go out since it took me all night to drink one drink coz it tasted so gross!

My vote is for coffee & a healthy desert. Real plunger coffee can be really buzzy if you're not overly used to it.

Happy Mom 04-30-2002 11:24 PM

My name is Happy Mom, and I am addicted to Pepsi....

I refuse to buy it in cans though because I swear I can taste the metallic taste of the can......

And

I refuse to buy it in plastic bottles because I swear I can taste the plastic leaching into the soda...

So.....

That leaves only fountain drinks. I am without a doubt the most addicted fountain drinker standing on this earth. 9 months without it was torture...... And until I stop nursing I restrict myself to just a little bit here & there......

Why can't I be addicted to water??????????

lilyka 05-01-2002 01:52 AM

I prefer fountain to all others also. If I have a can or bottle it has to poured over ice.

Did I mention how I love the stinging sensation of the first swig. mmmm

As for why I love it, Why does anyone love stuff that is bad for them??? Why do people smoke? Use drugs? drive fast expensive cars? WHo knows, they just like it.


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