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Old 07-19-2004, 02:21 PM
 
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I use oil a lot in place of melted butter, but Earth Balance margarine also melts just fine & smells fine when it does melt. Earth Balance is vegan & has no hydrogenated oils. It is pretty good stuff. I don't know about Spectrum - have never used that brand.
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[QUOTE=ChristaN]Earth Balance margarine also melts just fine & smells fine when it does melt. Earth Balance is vegan & has no hydrogenated oils. QUOTE]

ITA - I use Earth Balance all over the place. I've never liked Spectrum at all.

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I also use earth balance for everything. I melt it for my pancakes and comes out very yummy.
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Hi All ! I just started back to school the first week of August , so have taken some time away from 'chatting', but was thinking of everyone today as I made a REALLY yummy vegan feast for myself and friends.
Curry tofu eggless salad with a matching
curry spread as a sandwich with fixins'
and some great veggies...

anyway, popping in to say hi : and welcome the new veggies.

I have to say , that lately ( especially since I am taking an advanced nutrition class this semester) I have been harboring some real resentment towards the new "Weston Price and his merry followers" and such. I am feeling very negative and find that the new trend of " lets put the oil from contaminated fish livers in everything" to be so disturbing....

Thats all!
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Hi everyone, Ive been out for awhile, but I just got some moosewood cookbooks from the library and they look YUMMY!! I must say that I am so proud of how my dd has been eating lately. She loves any kind of veggie and usually screams for more. Last night she ate almost a whole avacado. A few days ago she ate an entire tofu hotdog. I have never seen her eat so much in her short life. My DS is the struggle every day. Today he has had an ok day. He had cream of wheat for breakfast, veggie meat slices (like cold cuts) for snack and noodles and green beans for lunch. He wanted jelly beans for lunch, so I think this was an improvement. We have to take my dd to the allergiest in a few weeks because she keeps having reactions to things. So far I think it is dairy and cats. (luckily we got rid of our cats while I was pregnant)
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For some reason my dh who was toying with veg is suddenly very annoyed with my preparing all veg meals. Any ideas why? We had one week where most the meals I made were really umm... worthless? And since it is either hit or miss. Any idea why the sudden irritation with vegetarianism?

I heard this from a long time internet friend recently, what do you think? She said she doesn't think eating animal is ethically wrong per say- she believes that we are omnivores by nature (teeth, digestive, yada yada) and perhaps we are evolving to a veg animal, but in this time she believes we are still part of the food chain iykwim. However, I thought she was veg- turns out she isn't actually veg by the ethical reasons I may expect. She believes when you eat an animal you are ingesting their total spirit, soul and even karma. By ingesting the soul of a tourtured animal you are adding torture and pain of the spirit to your own soul. By ingesting the karma of a wild animal you are adding their karma to your own. So she will sometimes eat organic or self caught animals that are mild in nature. Just rarely because it isn't a positive thing to her.

It struck me as extremely interesting and just wondered what others thought. It is interesting spiritual approach to vegetarianism.
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I've felt similar to that before. I feel that DH is eating *better* when he gets some wild pig, etc to eat, rather than Walmart ground chuck, or whatever. A little bit better energy. I do think the only good way to eat meat is if you can catch it yourself and eat it raw. BTW, how does your friend manage this catching part? I've never heard of anyone who could.

I think we are NOT meant to eat meat, by my research. Teeth, digestive, yada yada, all point to a vegetarian lifestyle.

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I guess it was (still is some places) necessary to eat meat, but if since I have the means of getting good nutrition without it, I feel compelled to do so. My dh goes along with it for the most part but sometimes he gets meat hungry. Rather than ignoring it and letting him pop into a fast food restaurant or something, I go down to Whole Foods (a health food type grocery) and get him some organic family farm raised meat. I don't like the killing of animals, but a family farm is a much better alternative to factory farms. The animals are healthier and treated more humanely (if being killed at all can be considered humane.) After learning about cows in the factory dairy industry, I am thinking it's in a way, less cruel to eat organic family farm meat than cheese made from abused cow cheese. Dh will never give up cheese, however. As far as taking in the soul of an animal you eat- that's not unusual. There are people in the world who eat their dead family members to keep their souls alive. It is not part of my belief system, but I can understand and respect it.
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well, her father catches/raises/etc and hands it to her in a neat little package.

Amandzia- I do the same for DH. I figure better organic meat than factory farmed meat.

dready mama- I always thought that event he veg community thought we were omninvores by nature? Expand for me if you feel like it, or hand me a site? I remember reading that our digestive system is set up for either and our teeth more closely represent animal eaters. Pointed insizors (sp) and all... very interesting!
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Rainbow, dh and I went vegan (or strict vegetarian, if you're a purist) at the same time, three plus years ago. I STILL feel like I'm learning to cook and its so nice to have a number of meals now that we like. But dh would be quite grumpy at times along our new journey - I'm just pleased he's walking it with me and ds!!
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I wanted to share an animal rescue from yesterday with you guys.
Our property is loaded with iguanas...LOADED. Our property is also fenced all the way around as we are on a deep ocean canal area and I have 2 kids. Anyway, an iguana was running from the girls 2 days ago ( as they do) and tried to run THROUGH the fence ( chainlength) and got stuck. She was floundering around and it just looked awful! I told the girls to leave the area and she would then calm down and figure out how to get out (overestimating the reptilian brain...)
Yesterday we were out playing, and I see that the iguana IS STILL STUCK! I was sick thinking it died there and I never came back to check on it. My 3 year old starts screaming that it is still alive , so I called a Herp friend to come help me unstick it.
While we were balancing on the sea wall, cutting the fence to free the poor thing, my neighbors are screaming:EAT 'EM - THEY TASTE LIKE CHICKEN! : ( side note, many down here DO eat them...but that is not the point...)
I was very proud that my kids helped me give the little lady (3 feet long) fresh picked cherries and water, and return her to her habitat ( my yard)...

On the family note, my dad tried to talk me into seeing his new "guru" yesterday...who is a Mercola nut and my father is now convinced I am killing myself and my kids through my veg diet. In the past they basically ignored my diet ..
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I've learned that we do have those two sharp-ish teeth, but real meat-eaters have those in front for ripping flesh.
I've also learned that our intestines are SUPER long, much much much longer than carnivore/omnivore intestines. Theirs are short so that the rotting flesh can escape their bodies quickly, without causing problems. For the same reason my dog can eat garbage, moldy food, horse poo (need I go on? I know, my dog is disgusting) :LOL

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ok guys.. im not a happy camper....

my dd had a fish fillet at mcdonalds yesterday while in the care of my mom... she told dd fish wasnt meat... ummm yes it is ... its freaking flesh.. i hate some ppl.. and when i told dd what it was she almost cried... im not a happy camper.. she said that mcdonalds didnt have a veggie burger.. umm yes it does...

why oh why sometimes do i jus wanna give up.. its bad enuff ive let a few things slip lately and have been a very bad vegan... but i made sure dd was good... oh man the guilt is baaaad...

ok had to vent a bit...

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oh that sucks!
Last Thanksgiving (when DS was 4mo) my mom thought it would be a wonderful idea to let DS suck on a Turkey bone b/c he was obviously "feeling so left out"! WTF! umm... no... he's still vegetarian... well.. actually, he's never eaten anything besides breastmilk. But's that's just wrong.
I think our mothers are plotting against us! :

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my dd had a fish fillet at mcdonalds yesterday while in the care of my mom... she told dd fish wasnt meat... ummm yes it is ... its freaking flesh...
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Don't feel bad lets put it in perspective!
a) it was likely not fish, they use lots of soy fillers!
b) just like many MANY other things she will experiment with ( by her choice or peer pressure) 1x is really not going to lead to a life long issue with fish stick abuse. It is all how you handle it , and I am sure you are doing it perfectly
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she said that mcdonalds didnt have a veggie burger.. umm yes it does...
ok had to vent a bit...
Do they really? I dont think ours does. I know I can get them at burger king. I would love it if McD did. What is it called?
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Do they really? I dont think ours does. I know I can get them at burger king. I would love it if McD did. What is it called?
they don't in Florida...if you go to the McD's site you can find the few states that do. BK does, and it is better than nothing on the go.
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Not all McD's carry the veggie burger.
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All the ones where we live carry it....

we have been there b4 unfortunately ... but ordered a garden salad instead... so that excuse cant fly with me...

i know shes not gonna abuse fish sticks.. :LOL but the fact my mom lied to my dd is what got me upset.. and when i set her straight she nearly cried... she felt horrible... and all she kept repeating was "mommy it didnt have milk in it"...so she thought she was helping the animals...

i bet it is a plot against us... :

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I am not passing judgement here, but mcd's???? Do they cook the veggie burger by itself on a clean grill with a veggie spatula?
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I was thinking that, too. Considering their whole french fries issues and all . I reckon they just nuke em though. Seems that what Burger King does (yes, I'll admit to eating there while on a loooong road trip and really hungry). I do know that's what Subway does with their veggie burger-things. but they don't have the option of a grill, either, I suppose.

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I am not passing judgement here, but mcd's???? Do they cook the veggie burger by itself on a clean grill with a veggie spatula?
We just try and do it as a once a month treat when we drive to visit my parents. While I was pregnant with DD we ate there way too much. Now we limit ourselves to our traveling. I know its not good for us and our house was filled with happy meal toys. YUCK!
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and all she kept repeating was "mommy it didnt have milk in it"...so she thought she was helping the animals...
oh thats sad! My girls are the same way, they try so hard to please me and my demands on them as far as food--and it goes beyone meats for my house, no refined sugars, food colors, white bread....occasionally I do cave out of no options, but that is rare ,and sometimes my girls are like " is this a healthy french fry?"
It is hard, I am trying not to be neurotic about food, lest I drive them towards a disorder or something, but I do have firm beliefs and care about their precious bodies...
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We almost got bumped to the 3rd page of Nutrition and Good eating. :
We havent been a very chatty bunch lately huh? Everything is going good here, but having trouble with the fact that my DH eats like crap and doesnt want to change to eat healthier. He could live off only meat, oh and white bread. It is hard trying to get kids to eat things that are good for you when daddy doesnt have to. Luckily both of my kids love most veggies. anyone else have this problem? I am wanting DH to eat better because his dad is diabetic and had bypass surgery a few years ago. This was our conversation the other day:
ME: You would have a hard time changing your diet if you had to for medical reasons.
DH: I would probably just keep eating the way I do now.
ME:its nice that you would keep eating crap and die early and leave me and your kids
DH: well I like what I eat
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Anyone else have this problem?
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We almost got bumped to the 3rd page of Nutrition and Good eating. :
We havent been a very chatty bunch lately huh? Everything is going good here, but having trouble with the fact that my DH eats like crap and doesnt want to change to eat healthier. He could live off only meat, oh and white bread. It is hard trying to get kids to eat things that are good for you when daddy doesnt have to. Luckily both of my kids love most veggies. anyone else have this problem? I am wanting DH to eat better because his dad is diabetic and had bypass surgery a few years ago. This was our conversation the other day:
ME: You would have a hard time changing your diet if you had to for medical reasons.
DH: I would probably just keep eating the way I do now.
ME:its nice that you would keep eating crap and die early and leave me and your kids
DH: well I like what I eat
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Anyone else have this problem?
**I would be so frustrated with your husband. I have a husband from the midwest. Corn and potatoes (and meat), but he DID go vegetarian and has been for about 4 years now. BUT he's also still as stubborn as a meat and potatoes guy... Just minus the meat?! His lack of concern for his own health makes me just flabbergasted. He doesn't like ethnic cooking. He hates trying new things. He will not eat anything "round" or "that pops"?? I COOK. I cook from scratch each meal and I am an awesome vegetarian cook ... to the worlds' most BORING EATER! What is it with these silly guys?
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OMG! Mamacarey, do I sense some poligamy (sp?) here? I mean, you just described my husband. Scary, eh? To make it worse, he has heart problems in his family. He has told me he doesn't expect to live beyond 65. WTF? I'm hoping he just thinks thats really old, and maybe when he gets that old, he'll feel differently. Anyhow, he goes through these phases (long ones) where he'll just want to eat one type of food. Well,he's eaten PB&J for lunch every day since he was a kid (he feels he's made tremendous strides changing from grape to strawberry jelly, and from creamy to crunchy PB!) Right now he's on a pork chop thing. ONly on the grill (makes a funny sight in our CO winters :LOL), and he could care less if there's any side dishes. I usually force him to eat a spoonful of whatever I'm eating and my sides. Of course he'd much rather have canned peas, which is the only worth-while vegetable in his opinion. yuck. It seems logical to me to experiment with different ingrediants and differnt methods of cooking. I mean, if I were a meat eater, I think I'd be eating pretty good and varied. I try to suggest different cooking methods for the pork chops to DH, and he doesn't see the point. :
He often says he wishes I ate meat and I'm like, REally?? If I ate meat, I still don't think you'd eat what I cooked! I'd actually use vegetables (gasp!) and make casseroles, skillets, all sorts of things... which he obviously can't handle.
okay, I'm done with my rant.
Just glad to know there's others out there. I'm sicka hearing about you veggie mamas with veg DHs who adore your cooking!!!

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You could try sarcasm and reverse psychology...

When he says that he would still eat this way even if it meant an early death, I would be tempted to say, "Well I'd better get myself back into shape since I want to be very attractive for my next husband. What fun it's going to be to go shopping around for a new vegetarian hubby. Thanks for giving me some warning. I must get to work on this right away."

I know this won't change anything, really... but you never know, in the back of his mind he might start wondering...

Also, start having the kids whisper things in his ear like, "Daddy, are you going to be alive when I get married (or have kids)?"
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I thank the powers that be every day that my DH is vegan just like me. It makes things Sooooo much easier. But then I had thought that I wanted the next person I was with to eat like me, rather than falling in love with someone who ate meat - so it was much simpler. And we both decided to go vegan at the same time.

Last night I made my famous seitan/potato tacos and he ate NINE TACOS!!!!

ETA: Confession: Today I was telling DH that I ratted on him about the 9 tacos, and he said "WHAT???" So I have to confess I was just typing and I wasn't thinking. I didn't make the tacos. HE DID. While I was at work so that they were almost ready when I got home. So he's a wonderful husband and I'm a liar.

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You could try sarcasm and reverse psychology...

When he says that he would still eat this way even if it meant an early death, I would be tempted to say, "Well I'd better get myself back into shape since I want to be very attractive for my next husband. What fun it's going to be to go shopping around for a new vegetarian hubby. Thanks for giving me some warning. I must get to work on this right away."

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That is too funny! I'll have to try that
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