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#151 of 173 Old 07-27-2004, 04:32 PM
 
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I just saw this thread and don't have time to read now because I have to pump before a meeting but wanted to say hi.

I'm Lil and my DH and I are new vegetarians... We're transitioning to vegan and planning on raising our son Nick that way.

Anyways I'm excited this thread exists and am looking forward to chatting with everyone here.
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Hi Lilg

I wasn't vegi when I met my husband so I didn't know I'd want a vegi husband. Poor guy, he thought he was marying a meat cooker. Well, I didn't cook much meat, but a little. I was vegi for a few years up until I had my first dd when I was 21, then I had such meat cravings when I was pregnant that I would have eaten the neighbor's cat...raw.

Six years later I met my husband and we got married a year later. He went happily along getting meat now and then until about a year ago when I went vegi...partly for his health (high blood pressure and cholesterol)and partly because my 12 yr old dd (the one who gave me meat cravings in the first place) reminded me why I had been vegi all those years ago. She is very much into animal rights.

Now dh only gets meat when we go visiting or on those rare occasions when he keeps talking about it and I give in and get him some organic family farmed meat. He doesn't do the shopping nor the cooking, so he's at my mercy. (evil laugh) haaa haa hoo

It would be nice to have a vegi hubby, but I didn't marry one so I have only myself to blame. sigh...
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Any ideas on how to get a 4 year old to eat beans? My ds has never eaten beans, but he is sure he wont like them, which means he wont try them or even have them on his plate. How can I make them more appealing to him?
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My 7 year old boy, Gibran, hates beans. But, we just kept offering them. Around 3 years of age he fell in love with hummus. I'm surprised at the number of kids who like hummus. Especially if it's homemade. He finally like refried beans. We eat refried beans all the time and he finally likes them. Since, he likes crunchy tacos we put them in there instead of taco filling. You could try spaghetti sauce. Try some ethnic foods, too. My kids will eat the strangest stuff at new restaurants. I really think it's the texture. My second son adores beans and will eat baked beans straight from the can. Gibran is my picky one, but he will often try something if he got to make it.

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When my 12 yr old was little she would only eat beans she could pick up with her fingers (she still likes to eat with her hands). She loved black beans in particular.
The twins love kidney beans as a snack. I just hand them to them one by one as I cook and pretty soon they've eaten half the can.
You could try different kinds of beans hot or cold, plain or spiced until you find one he likes and that may become his "gateway" bean into the world of beans.
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Any ideas on how to get a 4 year old to eat beans? My ds has never eaten beans, but he is sure he wont like them, which means he wont try them or even have them on his plate. How can I make them more appealing to him?
**White beans (navy) are easy to puree and add to just about anything... even pudding if you want! I swear! White beans pureed w/ a tbs of olive oil and a bit of rosemary s&p makes a yummy sandwhich spread. Blend them and add them to avacado if your child likes avacado. I often marinate them with the tofu and saute together w/ garlic or onions and my son will eat them.
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Hey, ladies!!! Can I join? I've been a lacto-ovo veg for about 13 years, I think? I NEED HELP!!! I originally wanted to be vegan because I think dairy/eggs are just as (if not more so) cruel than meat, but I found it to be so isolating and extremely difficult to cook . . .

So, what I need help with is to cut down on the dairy/egg based diet, since that seems to be where I get my main calories from. (The eggs are from free-range hens, but still . . .) I'd prefer to go to an almost completely plant-based diet, but avoiding too much soy at this point (we're TTC and I think it'd mess with my already messed-up hormones).

I need cookbook recommendations, websites with recipes, whatever! I want recipes that are easy, delicious, with readily available ingredients (health food store is far), and nutritious. Ha, I know I'm dreaming, but I'm desperate! I'm getting fed up with my "cooking" (pun intended).

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i just thought i would pop my head in here...i've been veggie since 12 and vegan for 3 or 4 years.
not a mama yet but TTC later in the year...
Mizelenius! i found 'how it all vegan' by tanya barnard and sarah kramer to be a wonderful vegan cookery book...they also have a newer book out called 'the garden of vegan'..
super yummy food and not to complicated or costly.
even more fun for me cos i am from the UK and
had to guess what some of the foods were!
some of the places i get recipes from online are...
http://www.veganfamily.co.uk/
http://www.vegfamily.com - Erin's site (fellow MDC mama)
and my fav message board info sites (besides vegfamily) are..
http://www.veganrepresent.com
http://www.vegansociety.com/html/

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My favorite vegetarian/vegan-friendly cookbook is by far Lean and Luscious and Meatless by Bobbie Hinman and MIllie Snyder.

The reason is because most of the recipes are naturally vegan or you can just skip the cheese and sub rice milk instead of cow's milk. And all of the ingredients are normal, everyday things you can find in a regular supermarket. So I think it's a great transition book.

Plus, the recipes are very hearty so other non-veggie family members will like them. All around, I think it's a great book. Here are a few recipes from the book I make ALL the time.

Potato Lentil Stew
Turkish Stew
Very Veggie Enchiladas
Corn Creole
Green Beans in a peanut sauce
Curried chickpea casserole
Thai linguine

And so much more. their desserts aren't great. but the meals... awesome!
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Everyday Vegan by Jeani-Rose Atchison is one I recomend to beginner vegans. I use it alot and was able to use it right away with the things I already had on hand. In addition to all the recipes, it has nutritional info, but she's not too preachy. I get a little annoyed when I get a vegetarian cook book that's half filled with preachiness.
"I already bought the book, stop convincing me and get on with the recipes!!!!" lol
The Compassionate Cook is a PETA publication. It's user friendly too. I recently got The Ultimate Uncheese Cookbook. I find I have to think about the recipes in advance because they either take longer or use an ingredient that is something you have to have already made previously. The results are very worth it, though. They use a lot of white beans and cashews so if you want a non-tofu vegan cheese, give it a try. There's tofu too sometimes, but mostly not. They use a lot of nutritional yeast flakes too. You may have trouble locating that ingredient. I guess you could stock up when you make it to the health food store.
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well my dh surprised me yesterday. No he didnt decide to go vegetarian, but he had a vegetarian starter guide from PETA sent to me in the mail. I did think this was a good start for him to show some support to what Im doing.
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That sounds like a great first step mamacarey! At least it sounds like he supports your decision. My husband and I decided to be vegetarians together. I have a lot of respect for couples who are split on this issue. It has got to make meal planning that much more complicated.
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That sounds like a great first step mamacarey! At least it sounds like he supports your decision. My husband and I decided to be vegetarians together. I have a lot of respect for couples who are split on this issue. It has got to make meal planning that much more complicated.
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Beans, beans, the musical fruit...

In the health food store, you'll find lots of different beans in the bulk section, but I'd try canned first to see what your DC like. There are so many kinds of beans, especially the Heirloom varieties.

hummus on pita bread
baby carrots or pita chips dipped in hummus
white bean spread on toast
sneak them into blended soups
refried and mushy into tacos and quesadillas
some are huge and can be eaten whole - European soldiers are very smooth and sweet
Garbanzos with oil and black pepper

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well we got something in the mail today that I had to explain to my ds. We got a catalog from Cabellas (the hunting store)
My ds was asking about why people hunt and what the stuffed animals (real ones) were. He said we dont hurt animals do we? I think he was sad when he saw all the guns. Granted I didnt want him to even look through it, but he got to the mail and started going through it before I could stop him.
I was having a discussion with my dad and I didnt quite know how to answer. He said that if everyone was a vegetarian then we would have too many animals overpopulating the country. Would there be a way to stop this from happening if everyone was vegetarian? Please excuse me if this is a stupid question
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Seems to me, if everyone were a vegetarian, all those deer (that seems to be the most common animal omni's refer to overpopulating) would just start living in the new forests that used to be animal farms/grazing pastures, etc. I figure animals like cows would probably die off relatively soon.
Did that make any sense? I've thought about it alot too, since we've got hunters in our family. I do see a problem with the lack of predators for the deer, but I think it would level itself out pretty soon (without the help of scaiby hairy smelly fat men and their guns )

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I was having a discussion with my dad and I didnt quite know how to answer. He said that if everyone was a vegetarian then we would have too many animals overpopulating the country. Would there be a way to stop this from happening if everyone was vegetarian? Please excuse me if this is a stupid question
**It makes me nuts when omni's say that! No, there wouldn't be too many animals in the country. There is a nat'l way of things (other animals eating each other, etc) that would control THAT. THat is if we could control our growth. But, for the most part, humans are unwilling to control ourselves- yet we feel the need to control all other forms of life! ugh. : And if someone is going to argue that theory than I would assume human would be bright enough to figure out the "problem of animal overpopulation (lol- I laugh while typing that)" . We've put a man on the moon for crying out loud!
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Greetings All!

i have been a veg since 1991, and I am married to an omni who only eats meat when outside our home. We are raising our daughter Veg.

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When you are talking to others about diet do they get allhorrified and judgemental when you tell them you are raining your kids veg? It makes me laugh when i hear people say, "aren't you even going to give her a choice? She's a baby for crying out loud! You can't make her be a vegetarian!"

I cn't believe how brainwashed our culture has become!

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Several things to that WAY MORE THAN STUPID argument - which animals are they referring to?

Deer? All the hunters who eat the meat (since this is an argument about people becoming veggies) hardly make a dent in the deer population. The only reason there is an "overpopulation" of deer anywhere is that we've killed their animal predators and stolen their land.

Domesticated animals? Well, the only reason they are here is that we've domesticated them. Many don't live very long anyway because of the health problems caused by breeding them certain ways for our purposes. There are way more than there would be naturally because we FORCE them breed at an extraordinary, and unnatural rate. Like gestation crate female pigs which are forced to get pregnant within 4-5 days of having given birth. In the natural world, pigs raise their piglets and then get pregant again the next YEAR. So no, they wouldn't overrun the world. There would be a huge amount for a short while right after we stopped eating them. Then most would die a natural death and the breeding would go back to natural breeding. Plus, there's no reason that people couldn't set a stop date for breeding and only eat the animals that were left after that. We soon would have very few domesticated animals.

I'm only speaking about the US here - because we have the worst industrial (read: high population) food animal sitautions. (except for Asian's bird industry) In most countries, the populations of food animals would easily reach normal levels very quickly.

Yeesh! So simple, and yet...

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Several things to that WAY MORE THAN STUPID argument - which animals are they referring to?

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I think he was referring to all animals. He also made the comment that the world could never make enough veggies for everyone to be a vegetarian that made no sense to me at all
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Oh mamas! Speaking of the hunting issue; there was this thread in the childhood years about the tragedy of a child who just watched Bambi's mama get shot for the first time! Acckk!! I will rant here if I may. I really wanted to tell the parent in question to simply explain that some people feel the need to kill animals for fun and sometimes food. They don't think about how that animal's baby might feel. Thats how I explained it to my dd anyway. i'm so insensitive
What if we were all honest with our children about where their "food" came from. Especially since most little ones are so compassionate towards animals at first, until we lie and desensitize them towards suffering.

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He also made the comment that the world could never make enough veggies for everyone to be a vegetarian
What a lame arguement. What does he think that the animals that are raised for food are eating? We grow more vegetables and plant foods that humans would ever eat already. We are just feeding most of them to the cattle & other animals that we are raising for food.

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"aren't you even going to give her a choice? She's a baby for crying out loud! You can't make her be a vegetarian!"
My response to this one is, "you mean that you aren't even going to give your children a choice? You are just going to feed them dead animals without letting them know what it is & letting them decide whether they want to eat that?" "Forcing" a child to be a vegetarian is no different than "forcing" them to be a meat eater. My children (almost 6 & almost 4) are not being "forced," either. They know that they are welcome to eat anything that they would like. They know what it is & where it came from. If they choose to eat it, I am not going to make that decision for them. Thus far, both of them are very outspoken little vegetarians.
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Originally Posted by mamajodi
"aren't you even going to give her a choice? She's a baby for crying out loud! You can't make her be a vegetarian!"

My FIL tried to make this lame argument, even though he intellectually "understands" why we are vegan. Everything we do as parents involves making choices for our children. (I was just writing about this in "P as P" to a woman who's husband keeps giving their 19 mo candy and says that she is tryiing to be controlling of their DD when she doesn't want him to.) When we make them wear shoes when walking outside, when we insist that they can't go places alone, when we lock the medecine cabinet so they don't accidntally take our prescription drugs: these are all choices we make for our chidlren, based on what we believe to be best for them and the world.

Some people don't lock their cabinets, others let their kids take drugs, others don't supervise them. They've made the decision to give their children a choice. But most of us don't see those as choices that are good for children to make. And when we believe that a vegetarian/vegan diet is best for our health, and best for the animals and people and environment, then we d*mn well have a right to make that choice for our children, at least when they are very young.

Most of us then decide when, on these different issues, to allow our children control. Some people allow their kids to go to school alone at age 8, some at 10, and some at 14. Some of us have sugar-free homes but allow our kids to buy their own sugar with their own money. And some of us have animal-free homes but allow our children to eat meat once they are old enough to make an informed decision.

This issue, like any other, comes down to us doing what we feel is best for our children. Some could argue that by not vaxing, people aren't giving their children the choice. Sure they are, they're just letting them make that choice once they are actually old enough to understand the issues involved.

And on this particular issue, we'll see that most kids, once they understand where meat comes from, how the animals are treated, etc. choose not to eat it. And while some may stray as teens, many come back to it as adults, once mature enough to realize that their parents were right!

That's my two cents for today. I've got to get dressed *yes, I'm still in my bathrobe - I've got to take advantage of the flexibility of not having kids while it lasts* and go see how foggy it is at the lighthouse because we want to do some birdwatching.

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