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Old 08-10-2004, 05:20 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I am wondering if anyone masticates anymore. My dh has done this with all of our toddlers, and it took some getting use to. But now, I am okay with it. Anyone else do this, or is he the only one?

BTW, my dh grew up in a third world country. Therefore, I don't think he finds it unusual at all.
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do you mean, the adult pre-chewing the food for the baby?

if so, then yes. I did that with my dd so that she could get enzymes to help with digestion. Especially useful with grains.
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I pre-chewed dd#1's food, mainly out of convenience. But glad to find out that my enzymes are helping with pre-digesting her food. I've heard that if you have cavities, the bacteria will be transferred to your child.
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not just cavities, s. mutans causes gum disease too, and is present in plaque. I have gum disease so I try to avoid having DD eat after me and sharing spoons, etc. It's certainly and easy way to do it, but my mom and sis and all all have gum disease...so I certainly feel like there's something to the medical opinion that we infect children early on with our mouth bacteria. I think I remember something about the younger they encounter it, the more likely it will cause them problems in the long run. If my mouth was very healthy, I'd consider it.
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Whoops, sorry toraji! I didn't see this thread when I posted to you in the other one!
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no problem JaneS.

I respectfully disagree with the idea that people shouldn't practice mastication. I personally believe that diet makes much more of an impact on tooth decay than the parent infecting the child with s. mutans.

My DD had classic baby bottle tooth decay, and I prechewed her food. I changed my diet, and I still pre-chew her food. Well, much less now that she has teeth, but they say that once a mouth is infected, it will always be infected. I still share spoons and glasses with her. The decay has stopped. That was enough to convince me!
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Whoops, sorry toraji! I didn't see this thread when I posted to you in the other one!
I posted a reply to your post in the other thread too. Here it is again:

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I wouldn't pre-chew becaue the bacteria s. mutans that causes dental caries is transferred through saliva. Mix it with breastmilk instead, it contains all necessary enzymes!

This hasn't really been proven to be so. Dr Marc Harmon, a denist, testified before the Los Angeles County Medical Milk Commission, saying that his medical education trained him to blame disease and decay on bacteria and virus. But the genocide of microbes has not reduced dental decay any more than it has reduced disease in general. Dr Harmon concluded that the war against microbes is futile in eradicating disease.

Mothers have been pre-chewing their babies' food for millenia without causing disease or decay. It's poor diet and anti-biotics that cause dental caries.

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i did this with my older kids, and plan to with my new baby when he's old enough, but i've learned not to talk about it with folks! americans in general are extremely grossed out by pre-chewing, and even the crunchy mamas i've hung out with were a little put off. i don't know where i got the idea in the first place, but i've only met a few other mamas that do this.

btw, my first kid, who i did the least amount of pre-chewing with, has the most dental decay... each successive kid has less.

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This hasn't really been proven to be so. Dr Marc Harmon, a denist, testified before the Los Angeles County Medical Milk Commission, saying that his ...

Mothers have been pre-chewing their babies' food for millenia without causing disease or decay. It's poor diet and anti-biotics that cause dental caries.
Cool. I imagine probiotics are immensely helpful as well, I shall rest easy about my slobbery kisses too then?

But breastmilk IS fabulous at predigesting stuff. I imagine it contains even more enzymes than are what is in our saliva too? I used to mix it with everything that gave DS gas at first introduction, worked great. Except for bananas. Maybe b/c they were high sugar content.
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But breastmilk IS fabulous at predigesting stuff. I imagine it contains even more enzymes than are what is in our saliva too?


Breastmilk certainly is fabulous for lots and lots of things!

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I do it all the time with my son, and I know my sister did it with her children till they got enough teeth to chew on their own. Sometimes I get strange looks, but until now I had thought it was common....
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[/QOUTE]Mothers have been pre-chewing their babies' food for millenia without causing disease or decay.[/QUOTE]

That's the reason that I decided to accept it. Thanks for pointing that out!
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I do this with dd just out of convenience. It's homemade baby food, but I don't have to blend or grind it. I had actually forgotten about those yummy enzymes. So no, I don't think it's weird.

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You know what I thought was weird? I thought that if I would find ANYONE ANYWHERE talking about mastication, it would be on this forum on the natural family website. Yet, when I ran a search, there was only 1 very short reference to mastication. It seems like people are scared to talk about it. I am glad so many responses have been informative, supportive, or at least makes me feel validated!
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did you search under prechew, pre-chew, pre-chewing, baby bird, baby birding, baby-birding? I think the other times we've talked about it we didn't say mastication. There are certainly more than a few women around here who do, mostly for the enzyme reasons mentioned.

smilemomma I think would agree, the case against s. mutans being infectious and causative is large. But I think the historic change is that most of use are more highly colonized then in prior eras due to so much sugar and refined flour allowing them to flourish when a more whole-food and more "primitive" diet makes a healthier mouth. Most of us do not eat like out ancestors. But if that's your diet and your mouth, go for it!
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DS #1 was BF'd 24/7...healthy teeth (got them early at 4 months, upper two and bottom two a week later).

His teeth were super healthy, and I ate and drank alot of what he did when he was learning solids from 6 months on.
We shared food from my plate (come to think of it, I remember 'chewing' stuff and offering the softened up bits to him without even thinking about it).

At around 1 year he started eating cheerios (didn't know better back then)....and THAT's when his upper top teeth started looking wierd and he got cavities in them. Had to go to a pediatric dentist at 18 months because one chipped the end off! ACK!

She, (no kids of her own) said it was because I was still breastfeeding him! And that especially at night was soooo wrong, and I would need to stop that. She said (OMG, where do they learn this stuff???) that 'Once they have teeth, then they really should be weaned! and no more night feedings at all!' **Wean them at 4 months because of risk to teeth???!!**

HAH! Obvious she didn't have a clue about breastfeeding or a headstrong nursing toddler that loved to night cuddle/nurse.

Anyway, got his two cavities fixed (OMG what a trauma for a 18 month old) and then never went back.

DS#2 has upper teeth already (at 4 months) and again, teeth look great. I will just not let him have cheerios and other 'sticky' traditional snack carbs once he eats solids and will start a brushing routine for when he starts eating a few solids during the day (not starting him on solid training until 6-7 months)...

Just my experience. The S. Mutan thing had me worried, but I really do think it was due to eating 'sticky' carbs that are hard to remove and or a combination. The breastmilk probably saved his bottoms, as it 'rests' on them more.
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