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Old 09-03-2004, 03:32 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Hi, didn't see a new thread for this month so I thought I'd start it

Here's the link to the old thread
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I think I will join in this month. I had a set back last month and started to eat some beef and chicken...big mistake. I felt horrible. I have been eating veg for two weeks now and feeling great again.

I am learning more to. I am in Montana visiting a friend and she has a dietision that works in her clinic. She put together some great info on the nutritional needs of a vegetarian and vegan diet. It's great. The biggest thing I learned is that the proteins in grains and bean are not complete like those proteins in meat. So, I need to include both in my diet everyday to make sure that I am getting the complete protiens. I don't have to eat them together, but I do need them both everyday. She also said I need 0.8g of protein for every kg of body wieght. That's how I can make sure I'm getting enough protien.

I had a great lunch today. Mixed beans sauted with onion and garlic, quinua (sp?), and broccoli with a glass of chocolate soy milk (my new fav). Tonight I'm having sushi california style (avocado and veg, not raw fish). We're even going to attempt to make sticky rice with brown rice (we'll make both just in case ).
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We're busy getting ready to move back east (thank god!!! I cannot raise this child alone any more! Not that my husband doesn't help- but I want ALL my family to help!)

Baylor is eating better these days.

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I am trying to eat more whole grain...I should pick up some quinoa or something...do oats count? I guess they do, huh.

I own a veg mexican restaurant, so getting my bean quota in is NOT hard

Heard a stat that 9% of the world is vegetarian...I started thinking that India would consitute most of that percentage. Has anyone here ever visited India? I would love to know more about the lifestyle.

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Checking in with you all. I've fallen off the vagan band wagon, but I think I need to get back on. I thought I could do like 90% vegan or something, but I've got no self control. More later..........

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just posting to lurk really we have a mixed house.. an omnivore (hubby), a vegetarian (me), and two vegans (ds and dd). i want to be vegan, some day, and i'm pretty close. just can't seem to give up cheese and ice cream :P

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hi! I am a vegan who cooks for five omnis.

I am vegan for health and taste reasons, not animal rights reasons.
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Hi there, I haven't posted much here lately but have been lurking. Just had to find out if I was the only one who found this weird.....

Yesterday was the second time that dh and I (both vegetarians for 6 years) were served veggie burgers (the ones that are supposed to look like hamburgers, not the ones with actual veggies in them) without the buns. The first time happened with MIL and she served them grilled off the bbq and then sauteed mushrooms to serve over them. She has a weird sense of what it is to be a vegetarian so we figure she was trying to make them like little steaks or something. She even said something about it being a meat replacement so that's what we figure she was doing. But yesterday it was FIL (who is divorced from MIL so he didn't get the idea there ) that served them off the bbq with no buns.

Maybe it's just me but a veggie burger tastes OK if served with the bun and all the condiments but it will not replace a piece of beef, chicken, etc... that you grill on the bbq. I mean you don't usually eat a hambuger patty all by itself.

Anyway, I for one am starting to look forward to the cooler weather and being able to make a few more meals in the oven, crockpot, etc.. and get people to stop appeasing us poor vegetarians with a frozen box of veggie burgers (which I"m not a huge fan of anyway : )

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Hi everyone,

Glad we started a new thread.

Karen - that is pretty wierd. The only thing I can think of is that they somehow associate being vegetarians with people who want to eat healthy or low-fat food and by losing the bun you are eating more healthy. Of course, who wants a hamburger without the toppings and bun? I went to Saturn Diner (veggie) in Santa Cruz today and had a Boca burger with mushrooms on a big fat bun with all the toppings and a huge plate of french fries and a huge chocolate soy milkshake. No low-fat for me, thank you!

welcome back, isosmom - congrats on trying to get back to being vegan even if you've fallen off. It's a spectrum for all of us and sometimes you just can't quite do it. Do you need some help getting back on? Ethical reminders, recipies? Let us know!

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Hi All, I'll chime in as a veg*n mama! For the reasons of; Animal rights, the health of my family and our planet and the sheer weirdness of the concept of breastfeeding from a cow.
My dd forbids me the use of the term vegan on certain days because I sometimes eat the eggs my chickens lay. I told her i would never pay money to someone else for eggs from brutalized birds, but she's really hardcore

I personally can't abide by counting grams of protein. If I had to I would always come up "short." I honestly think my body doesn't need as much as other's might. I do notice that a protein deficiency will often present itself as a sweets craving.

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just posting to lurk really we have a mixed house.. an omnivore (hubby), a vegetarian (me), and two vegans (ds and dd). i want to be vegan, some day, and i'm pretty close. just can't seem to give up cheese and ice cream :P
hi! Why don't you go vegan-- except for cheese and ice cream? If you do that, you're diet will still be 80% vegan or higher. After a certain point, it really becomes a matter of labels, which aren't necesarily important.

For example, I call myself a vegan. I believe a vegan diet is the healthiest diet possible.

However, I cook for five omnis. This means that I frequently have to taste omni dishes while I cook. Every once in a while, I will eat an omni leftover. For many purists, thsi would make me not a vegan.

If you beat yourself up about eating this or that, it will have a negative effect on your diet and psyche. The important thing is to follow your cravings, and to pay attention to how you feel after you eat something. Your body knows what it wants, and it knows what foods it needs.
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My dd forbids me the use of the term vegan on certain days because I sometimes eat the eggs my chickens lay. I told her i would never pay money to someone else for eggs from brutalized birds, but she's really hardcore

I personally can't abide by counting grams of protein. If I had to I would always come up "short." I honestly think my body doesn't need as much as other's might. I do notice that a protein deficiency will often present itself as a sweets craving.
I'm not a dietician, nor do I have a huge knowledge of nutrition. But I can see from watching my children, that some of them "need" meat and dairy protein. I allow them to follow their cravings, because I believe they know what they need. I have an aversion to eating meat almost all the time, and always have. So I think it's possible, like you say, that some people "need" different amounts of protein, even different kinds of protein.

One interesting thing I've thought about, is how an animal can be identified as omni or veggie from its teeth (like the herbivore and carnivore dinos). If you look at human teeth, there are mostly herbivore teeth (the flat/ stumpy ones), with a few carnivore teeth (the sharp pointy ones). This makes me think that the human diet is meant to be mostly veggie, with some meat.

While my reason for being vegan are not animal rights, I do think the world would be a better place for all living things if people upped the amount of vegan foods they consumed, and lowered the amount of animal derived foods they consumed.
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hi! Why don't you go vegan-- except for cheese and ice cream? If you do that, you're diet will still be 80% vegan or higher. After a certain point, it really becomes a matter of labels, which aren't necesarily important.

ya, I would say that my diet is probably 80-85% vegan. i don't drink milk, or eat eggs, ice cream is rare.. but i usually do have a yogurt or cottage cheese in the morning. i've tried soy yogurt, and it just doesn't do it for me plus, i don't want to over-soy my diet (as i do eat veggie dogs and whatnot on occasion).

i am a label reader, as my son (vegan # 1 ) has a milk allergy.. so we're always on the look out for hidden ingredients so all the crackers/cereal/cookies/snacks in our house are already vegan

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it is hard to be a purist as well as a 100% vegan. maybe one doesn't eat meat/dairy but likely they use other things that may contain animal products (wether they are aware of it or not) that are in things we all use each day (ie,cars,videotapes,etc). don't be so hard on yourself.

any that said I am trying my hardest to get back to a vegan diet :LOL

my big thing right now is sour cream and cream cheese. I like yogurt too. I am just going to try to cut down (then out) each item gradually. I really don't want to replace things with cheese/dairy subsitutes though as i don't like them all that much, so I am on a search for satisfying (and tasy) recipes.

so I had a gross moment this weekend. DH went to go get takeout tacos and stupidly I did not check mine before starting to eat it (you can see where this is headed lol.) anyhow I got a big bite ful of beef before I realized I got the wrong one! uking I was queasy all night, not to mention had nothing to eat but chips and salsa

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my big thing right now is sour cream and cream cheese. I like yogurt too. I am just going to try to cut down (then out) each item gradually. I really don't want to replace things with cheese/dairy subsitutes though as i don't like them all that much, so I am on a search for satisfying (and tasy) recipes.
rainbow,

maybe it's the fat you're craving, from the sour cream and cream cheese? Yogurt contains acidopholus-- out of all the dairy products out there, yogurt is the one that I think has some real benefits.

My girls devour cream cheese by the bar. I joke that they like a little bread with their cream cheese!

Maybe you could increase your oil consumption-- avocados and olives have a high oil content. That might help replace the cream cheese craving.
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it is hard to be a purist as well as a 100% vegan. maybe one doesn't eat meat/dairy but likely they use other things that may contain animal products (wether they are aware of it or not) that are in things we all use each day (ie,cars,videotapes,etc). don't be so hard on yourself.
I think there's a big difference between, saying, eating a steak that passes through your body within 12 hours, and wearing a leather jacket that can last ten years or more.

I often think of how the Native Americans were horrified by the way Europeans would only use a few pieces of a buffalo and leave the rest of carcass to rot. The NAs would use every piece of the animal.

PS: So sorry about the taco incident! I had a similar stuffed mushroom incident last Thanksgiving. Will someone please tell me WHY anyone feels the need to put meat in a stuffed muchroom. They are so tasty even when roasted without any stuffing!
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meowee- thanks for the tip about the fats. I will try this.

so what's everyone cooking/eating this week?

here's something I made that was good..

~artichoke rice salad~

2 c. cooked brown rice- cooled
6 oz artichoke hearts- drained and chopped (reserve 1 1/2 tsp. liquid)
1/3 c. red onion
1 c. chopped tomatoes
1 1/2 tbsp. red wine vinegar
1 1/2 tbap. water
2 cloves crushed garlic
1 tsp. dried parsley
salt and pper to taste

add artichokes, onion and tomatoes to rice and toss. combine remaining ingredients and mix into salad.

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Hi Ladies! A quick check in as the Keys is being evacuated today, and we are being little non-conformists by waiting another day or so to leave ( if needed)

I can't tell you how nice it is to have a fridge with stuff that won't smell like rotting carcas when we loose power, and to have foods that aren't dairy based needed ice.

Being a veg in times of crisis is very comforting.
I made some boiled potatos that will last for a few days, pasta salads, hummus and am working on some yeast bread filled with herbs in my garden ( don't want them to get blown away so might as well eat um!)

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Hey Keys Mama, I hope your family and home is allright s
rainbowmoon - that salad looks good (and easy and quick) think I'll try it!
Tonight we're having tofu burgers and peas. Real exciting, I know, but it's hot and late, and we've got a fridge full of food we've got to eat
Maybe I'll try something a little nicer tommorow since my fridge also has got a ton of veg in there. I've been eyeing the peanut ginger soup from How it all Vegan. Anyone tried it?

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Hi everyone I have been off this board for awhile, but now Im back. My dd and I have started becoming more vegan because we have found out that she is allergic to dairy. I eat organic free range eggs about twice a week and my kids eat them more than that. We have mainly gone to rice milk, soy cheese and soy yogurt. She also has a peanut allergy. I am having so much trouble shopping at my local coop because almost everything has either dairy or peanuts added to it. It sure makes grocery shopping fun...and take twice as long.
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I have never posted in the veg roll call before.Glad to have found it.We are vegans for mostly health reasons...only way I can control my cholesteral levels without meds and I sure don't want the open heart operation over half of my family has gone through already. But we love the critters too and if I can eat and feed my family without harming them I am going to do it.Look forward to getting to know all of you.


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Chiming in here. I'm working toward Vegan. I eat mostly vegetarian. I am also working toward incorporating more raw foods into my diet.

One of my bf's is 75% raw/ 25% vegetarian. She said this is the most energy she has ever had. She has 7 children, including a nursling.

Does anyone have any really good Raw sites they'd like to share?
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My dd and I have started becoming more vegan because we have found out that she is allergic to dairy... We have mainly gone to rice milk, soy cheese and soy yogurt.
Just out of curiosity, is she truly allergic to milk (i.e. - milk protein allergy), or is it a problem with lactose? I am only asking b/c I wanted to mention that you might want to double check the soy cheese ingredients. Most soy cheeses contain casein (milk protein). Vegan Gourmet, Vegan Rella & one other (the name is now evading me!) are the only ones that I know of that are truly "dairy free." The soy yogurt should be fine, though!
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Just out of curiosity, is she truly allergic to milk (i.e. - milk protein allergy), or is it a problem with lactose? I am only asking b/c I wanted to mention that you might want to double check the soy cheese ingredients. Most soy cheeses contain casein (milk protein). Vegan Gourmet, Vegan Rella & one other (the name is now evading me!) are the only ones that I know of that are truly "dairy free." The soy yogurt should be fine, though!
We had her tested and the allergist just said dairy. We had given her cheese and whole milk and she broke out in a rash. She seems to do ok with all of the soy cheeses we have given to her.
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We had her tested and the allergist just said dairy. We had given her cheese and whole milk and she broke out in a rash. She seems to do ok with all of the soy cheeses we have given to her.

That's good. I have an allergy to casein. When I went through a brief period where I was being a bit lax on my vegan diet & ate soy cheeses with casein, it caused big problems. But, for me, the reaction I have to casein is that my intestinal tract swells up & hemorrhages. I had RAST tests done to confirm the allergy & that's it. It's easy enough to cut out, though, & I feel better about being more true to a vegan diet anyway.

I'm glad that your little girl is doing better with changes in her diet.
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I made the best Vegan mac 'n' cheese today and DH really liked it (he's not been a fan of the vegan versions.) I used penne and after it was cooked, it went back into the pot with a huge handful of Mozarella Vegan Gourmet cheese, a packet of "Chreese", a TB of Earth Balance, a bit of Silk creamer (but any type of mik sub would do) and some pepper. I heated it up until everything was blended and really creamy. Yum!

Next we're going to bake it with breadcrumbs on top.

Christa-I'm glad to see that quote. I think "Dominion" is the best book so far written on the topic of vegetarianism, etc.

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Hi there...I am newly vegetarian and I'm looking for some support! I am making the switch for many reasons...mostly environmental and health, but animal rights definitely concern me as well.

I am preparing myself for ridicule from my family...and haven't really told anyone yet. I did tell my mom, and she was surprisingly supportive, but my dad is a big protein/atkins guy, and will not go so easy. My dh will eat whatever I prepare, but isn't willing (yet) to go totally veggie.

I think it's just really hard for them to understand how I can be eating meat (and LOVING it) one day and then the next, be telling them I'm not because I don't want the cow or pig to suffer...it's better for the earth, etc. How have you all dealt with people's negative reactions?

I do have a friend who is veggie as well...so that is awesome. I can ask her questions and get recipes from her. That's my biggest obstacle is just changing how I cook...not thinking that I need meat as a main dish. I feel so helpless sometimes because I don't know what to make to fill me up! So, I guess what I would love to know is: what is your best advice for someone who is just starting out in all of this?

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