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So, um, what is wrong with Horizon milk? I sincerely want to know. I don't usually buy it, because it is more expensive than the store brand organic milk, but if I'm somewhere that doesn't have a store brand, often Horizon is the only organic option and I have bought it. Is there something about them I don't know?

Also, where can one get raw organic milk? We're moving to Virginia (Roanoke, in the southwest) soon, and I'd love to be able to try some. I know it's not sold in stores, but I don't know of a local farm or anything.
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Google it.

http://www.wisebread.com/horizon-org...-all-just-lies

I have no idea about this guy's sources BUT there's a lot of info out there. Just do a search.
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I think the problem is that the cows are basically living in industrial-farming conditions, just being fed organic grain instead of conventional.
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Also, where can one get raw organic milk? We're moving to Virginia (Roanoke, in the southwest) soon, and I'd love to be able to try some. I know it's not sold in stores, but I don't know of a local farm or anything.
I don't know what is wrong with Horizon, but I thought I'd answer part 2 of your question. We used to get the raw milk from a friend with a farm here. If you don't know any local farmers (and I can't imagine you go around the grocery store asking shoppers if they own their own cow and would milk it for you) then you can just search CraigsList or another community type board. It sounds weird, but some farmers will advertise on sites like CL because it's free and they just want to sell their meat/milk/eggs/etc. I've seen advertisements on CL for small family-owned farms selling beef and eggs.

Or check out sites like this one to find a local family-operated farm:
http://www.localharvest.org/organic-farms/
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Having read the information in the link posted above, I don't see any reason for concern about Horizon organic milk. Marketing of organics is no different than marketing of other products - we all know it's designed to sell the brand and that information is "spun". I wouldn't consider any of it to be "lies" as the author claims, though I do agree it can be misleading.

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Basically, even with the USDA Organic Seal, the food can really make no claims that it is more nutritious, better quality or safer to eat. In short, organic food may in fact be almost no different at all than regular food.
I've always believed that about organic food anyway. I don't buy it because I think it is "more nutritious" or even "safer to eat". I buy it because it represents a movement toward environmentally-conscious farming practices. Baby steps in the right direction. I don't need the whole enchilada from day one, but I'm willing to pay a bit more for baby steps toward a new way of managing agriculture.
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I live in NJ and can't buy raw milk here. But if I wanted to travel and hour away into PA- they can and do sell raw milk. I've always wanted to try it and I hope to pick some up next time I get past the city limits of Philadelphia

You could try looking in the Virginia Finding your tribe section of MDC and see if anyone has any farm recommendations for you.
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I think the problem is that the cows are basically living in industrial-farming conditions, just being fed organic grain instead of conventional.
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I've always believed that about organic food anyway. I don't buy it because I think it is "more nutritious" or even "safer to eat". I buy it because it represents a movement toward environmentally-conscious farming practices. Baby steps in the right direction. I don't need the whole enchilada from day one, but I'm willing to pay a bit more for baby steps toward a new way of managing agriculture.
Me too. I do believe that locally grown produce is actually fresher, and more nutritious because of that fact. I will very often choose local produce over organic because it tastes better, I believe it is more nutritious, and I like to support my local economy.
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Jessica, if we'd had this convo before now I could have put you in touch with our source! :

I found it through my sil, somehow, and she lives in GA. lol! Try googling raw milk Virginia and see what comes up.

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I've always believed that about organic food anyway. I don't buy it because I think it is "more nutritious" or even "safer to eat". I buy it because it represents a movement toward environmentally-conscious farming practices. Baby steps in the right direction. I don't need the whole enchilada from day one, but I'm willing to pay a bit more for baby steps toward a new way of managing agriculture.
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FYI< the link I listed was by no means an exhaustive search-
I never buy Horizon OR the store brand because I read that they were just factory farms. Horizon was recently lobbying the usda to slack up on what they consider organic.

http://www.livescience.com/strangene...anic_cows.html

this is more what i am getting at. nak
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It's not just that the cows live in a conventional farm site and are given organic feed. It also has to do with the farms that Horizon uses getting their calfs from conventional farmsand possible being treated with antibiotics/hormones ect.

Check out the Cornucopia institutes site and rating of Organic Farms. The first article on the homepage is really interesting.

http://cornucopia.org/index.php/dairy_brand_ratings/
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realmilk.org (or .com -- can't remember ottomh) has listings for raw milk producers in all 50 states. Good luck! Raw jersey milk is delish!
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I've always believed that about organic food anyway. I don't buy it because I think it is "more nutritious" or even "safer to eat". I buy it because it represents a movement toward environmentally-conscious farming practices. Baby steps in the right direction. I don't need the whole enchilada from day one, but I'm willing to pay a bit more for baby steps toward a new way of managing agriculture.
Actually Scientific American has just released information this month that organic foods are actually higher in nutrients as organic farmers tend to renourish the soil or cycle crops so there is less depletion of the soil.

And also that people who eat organics have less pesticides in their systems (which they should)


It's in this month's issue so I don't have a link.

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From what I understand (you'll have to google this on your own too - I don't have time to find a link), Horizon is also pushing to LOWER organic standards everywhere. I think that's bad.

For me - I can't stand the idea of mistreated animals - this is almost a guarntee if you are buying from factory farms. (Not just milk). I also think Horizon tastes like the shit that those poor cows stand in all day - and I mean that quite literally - I can taste manure in Horizon milk.
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