Megan, momma to Colin and Ainsley
Proud mama to three bouncing unschooled boys:, Ian5/02, Connor9/04, and Andrew1/08!:::: Milk Donors!
I agree with the pp re no info on LLL web-site nor info in the book "womanly art". There needs to be more studies done on this. I just get so mad knowing that had my dr. not been an LC my baby might have been labeled FTT.
Anyways, all of you are awesome!!!!!!!
Jennifer, LPN and nursing student, Doula, CPST, and VBAC mama x3 to
AJ (5/03), Evan (12/04), Ilana (11/06), Olivia (2/09), and Unity (8/2012)
ETA Sorry that link doesn't work I'll look for more.
Here's from Riordan's BFing & Human Lactation:
Face the rear for MORE than a year! Toddlers' necks are safest in a rear facing carseat
I don't have tubular breast, but LC noticed that the shape of my breast indicate that I am IGT. I never had any changes in my breast during pg and after I only had an hour or 2 with mild engorgement.
I am suspecting this may be my issue, too. Or very mild tubular stuff.
Mine have always been kind of underdeveloped-looking, a bit conical. Similar problems with milk supply, little to no engorgement, no breast changes, etc. Peaked at about 20 oz per day with insane pumping/SNS/domperidone/oatmeal/MMP regimine.
I couldn't understand how no one had thought to mention that there might be a problem, and I didn't think there could be any way I couldn't make enough milk. At one month my dd hadn't gained any weight, she was 7 oz less than her birth weight... A friend of mine donated breastmilk for a time while I tried to increase my supply. I have pictures of my daughter from that time and I wish I had noticed earlier... She is sickly looking and I didn't see it.
After a very trying 7 weeks of nursing and pumping 24/7 to no avail, I was so exhausted, stressed, and heart broken from the ordeal that I quit nursing and went to formula full-time. I am in the process of preparing now... We are hoping to TTC this summer, with a hopeful HBAC, and I plan on making it to one year with as much of a supply as I can manage.
wife of 8 years to DH , mama to DD (2006) & DS (2011) (Dec. 2012) due Nov. 2013
I'm posting two websites, I think one of which was posted earlier in this thread (it has the pictures). But the other one just made me feel better. I was really made to feel that I had failed, and NOBODY seemed to believe that I couldn't produce enough milk and that I just wasn't trying hard enough (save my LC, midwife, husband, and family). I caught a lot of flack, and I love the last sentence in this, which I'll just quote here:
"Preserving the 'every woman can nurse' myth contributes to perpetuating a simplistic view of lactation and does a disservice to the small percentage of women with primary causes of unsuccessful lactation."
I have more of an energy issue, though- working full time with 3 kids age 6 and under. But maybe this could work for you as well...
I don't know if the difference is just child #3 or the additional supplements this time, but I actually felt my milk come in about a week after birth, and about a week and a half after his birth during a late night feed I actually heard him gulping! I'm still getting engorged(FYI my boobs don't get any bigger, just uncomfortably hard), especially if he goes more than 2 hours between feedings, and I've actually seen my milk dribble out of his mouth at a few feedings, again! Unfortunately I do still need to supplement during the day and since I haven't started pumping yet I don't know how much I'm producing, but I know he's getting so much more of my milk than my other two DS's and that just warms my heart, again sometimes your body can change for the better, there is hope.
Proud mama to three bouncing unschooled boys:, Ian5/02, Connor9/04, and Andrew1/08!:::: Milk Donors!
I *think* I might have IGT, though I'm not sure. They don't seem terribly insufficient, but are kind of widly spaced and when you take my large size into account they are disproportionately small. The "obese" pic from the first page looks more like it.
I had so much trouble w/ my daughter and feel like I'm still carrying a lot of baggage around. I had no breast changes during pg, no engorgement when I gave up and when I tried pumping to increase supply, I was lucky if I got enough drops to cover the bottom of the bottle. All this time I've felt like I just didn't try enough to build my supply. I was one of those militant-about-bfeednng-types before dd and I guess it was an important lesson for me to learn.
I was quite depresed about my inability to feed my baby and I have to admit that that's played into our decision to adopt this time around.
So, fast forward 5 years and I'm in the middle of an open adoption. Baby is due in just a few weeks and I'm trying to relactate.
Am I crazy, or what?!
I'm taking tons of herbs/domperidone and even saw some significant breast changes after taking goats rue but after 6 weeks of pumping around the clock, haven't made a drop. I'm trying not to get discouraged and not giving up. I'm planning on using a SNS with donor milk but am starting to wonder if it's worth the trouble to keep this up if I'm not making any milk
I'm feeling pretty caught up in trying to figure out if it really is IGT or if there might be something else? or if relacation is just tougher than expected? I don't want to go through this again
I know exactly how you feel about bf!
I have IGT and until now that I found this forum I could forgive myself and know, as a fact, that I did enough.
I learned that the most important thing is to LOVE and feed your baby in your own possible way.
I had pd after the first 8 weeks trying to bf my dd. It was so bad that I'm still on therapy... 2 years later. Now that I forgived myself I think I can handle it better.
The only advise that I have for you is to do your best and find what fit your family.
Do your best, use the SNS and do not feel bad about not producing enough milk. ENJOY the baby, hugh him, touch him, kiss him. I know bf can be an obsession (BELIVE ME) but is not the most important part. Babie's need to feel safe and you need to be in your right state of mind to provide it.
I'm also found out that I'm pregnant and knowing that I never be able to produce enough milk for my baby makes me feel sad. I'm planning to use a SNS and see what happens!
Also if someone want to give me some advice what to do to at least have more than 1/2 to 1 oz milk it will be GREAT!
I' so happy to hear there's a little hope for IGT from svmaine!
I just find this site and it is WONDERFUL! Peace of mind and encouraging!
This thread helped me back in 2006 when my first child was born and I was bewildered by what was happening. I started a website to share my story and spread the word: http://www.NotEveryoneCanBreastfeed.com
I hope it helps some of you in the same situation.
There is a wonderful support group on Facebook called IGT and Low Milk Supply Support Group...it has been great for me to have a community of women who are going through the same thing I am and to have the information that they give at my fingertips.
While I have never had trouble conceiving -- I already have one DS and am currently 20 weeks pregnant -- I discovered after giving birth to my first that I have IGT. I found the whole process really demoralizing, not to mention exhausting with the crazy amount of pumping sessions, never getting him to latch, etc. I think the max I ever produced (and this was using plenty of herbs such as blessed thistle and fenugreek, not to mention the max daily dose of Domperidone) was 24 oz/day.
So, I have decided this time around to tackle it as best I can from the outset, while pregnant.
I first worked with my family doc to get a referral to an RE (again, even though I never had problems ovulating or conceiving).
I had done a TON of research, and wondered about my progesterone levels, as well as whether I may be insulin resistant. Blood panels came back fine, so she would not put me on metformin. She was, however, willing to prescribe me Prometrium capsules for the duration of my pregnancy. I insert them vaginally every night before bed (three 100mg capsules for total of 300mg).
I also had read a lot about goat's rue. So, since becoming pregnant -- and having done research and concluded I am comortable with the fact that safety of its use during pregnancy hasn't been heavily researched -- I have been taking Motherlove goat's rue herbal capsules, too. I take 4 tablets/day.
Also, in addition to my standard pre-natal vitamin, vitamin D and folic acid, I am taking alfalfa tablets (Jensen brand). I take four, 550mg tablets/day.
I take all pills first thing in the morning before I shower, and don't have anything to eat or drink until approx one hour afterward.
Finally, I purchased and have been applying progesterone gel from Supplement Spot. I put about a dime's worth on each breast every morning when I get out of the shower, let it absorb and then get dressed.
My last step will be to add some d-chiro inositol that I ordered from Chiral Balance. Thinking I will take 600mg/day, based on my weight.
I plan on continuing to use the progesterone suppositories and progesterone gel up until I'm about 37 weeks, at which point I will stop cold turkey or taper.
As for the supplements, I plan to continue taking them all through to birth and likely thereafter, depending on the supply I can establish. I have a feeling I will find myself filling my Domperidone again, too, even though I didn't notice a big difference from it with my first born.
You may think I'm crazy (!!), but I wanted to put the info out there as a bit of a guinea pig for you in case it helps me, and in turn, could help even one fellow mom. I will obviously post back to the board to update once my LO is born.
At present, I can say that my breasts (normally a 34A) are fuller and somewhat more round than they were in my last pregnancy. Likely the biggest they have ever been in my life (even when I was 15 lbs heavies). I am about a 36B now.
Also, it may be worth noting that I have basically no other PCOS symptoms other than these IGT / tuberous / hypoplastic breasts. I was about 15 pounds heavier in my teen years, but for the past 10 years, I have been 5'4 and 120 pounds. I definitely have narrow hips and would never be described as curvy, but am often described as petite. When I was heavier, my breasts were a big bigger (but not much), and it was obvioulsy fat tissue and not glandular, milk-making tissue.
I'll be sure to post back to let you know whether any of the above winds up working for me.