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loving-my-babies 07-01-2004 11:41 PM

My ds is 4 months old and lately he is constantly latch on, latch off, latch on, latch off... he won't stay at the breast for more than a minute! I want him to nurse more to get more milk but he's too busy discovering what's around that, even when I darken the room so we can "concentrate" he will manage to latch off somehow and for any reason. at night it doesn't happen, though, sometimes he sleeps through the night and sometimes he nurses 1 or 2 times a night, but he nurses well at night when he does (or so I think, I don't really wake since we cosleep)

I'm pretty sure it's a phase, any thoughts???? this is driving me

Sandrine 07-02-2004 12:01 AM

My dd is the same!! And it's driving me nuts. She is almost 4mths. She will start this right after she drink her first let-down then she lacth off, then lacth on and again and again. i don't know what to do. She drink well at her last feed and her first feed of the day. And because she will drink only thru the first let-down she will be hungry again sooner.

Sorry i can't help you. Just know that I'm living thru that too.

loving-my-babies 07-02-2004 12:04 AM

isn't it annoying for your breast when they latch off when the let-down is coming? when this happens I beg my son to latch back on, but ofcourse, the birds outside his window are much more fun to look at

but I love it when he latches off and smiles with a drop of milk on his chin

VBMama 07-02-2004 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by loving-my-babies
but ofcourse, the birds outside his window are much more fun to look at
At least he's not trying to stretch your nipple so he can look & keep nursing at the same time! That's the phase we're in...sorry, no helpful advice. Ds only quits his nursing acrobatics these days when he's really hungry.

loving-my-babies 07-02-2004 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by VBMama
At least he's not trying to stretch your nipple so he can look & keep nursing at the same time!

ouchy

Gidget 07-02-2004 02:52 AM

Ds is the same way. My first two were down to business eaters, but from birth ds2 has been a leisurely diner. It gets worse when his sister is nearby. :

loving-my-babies 07-02-2004 10:13 AM

so.. is it a phase, do you think?

cmili 07-02-2004 10:49 AM

When this happened to us I took it very personally and I had a really hard time with it. I kept telling my mom "He doesn't want me." and "It's to early for him to be weaning." I was wrong and right. He did still need and want me and he wasn't weaning.

This was us just recently, my ds is almost 7 months now. When he would do that I would stop nursing, pump if I needed to for comfort and wait. What has happened is, he didn't "need" to nurse as much as I thought he should. He was begining to space out his feedings. When I started following him and his new schedule a lot of that was resolved. We still have the occasional situation where he's hungry, but theres tomuch going on so he does the on again off again thing. I still take him off, put it away. He usaully decides okay I am really hungary and will nurse a short time later.

However, he will NOT nurse in public anymore. So I take ebm if we're going to out for a long time. If he gets really hungary sometimes he will nurse in the car, but that's rare nowdays.

So, I definately think it's a developmental phase, but you can save yourself (and your nipples).

I know I rambled but HTH.

loving-my-babies 07-02-2004 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cmili
When this happened to us I took it very personally and I had a really hard time with it. I kept telling my mom "He doesn't want me." and "It's to early for him to be weaning." I was wrong and right. He did still need and want me and he wasn't weaning.

This was us just recently, my ds is almost 7 months now. When he would do that I would stop nursing, pump if I needed to for comfort and wait. What has happened is, he didn't "need" to nurse as much as I thought he should. He was begining to space out his feedings. When I started following him and his new schedule a lot of that was resolved. We still have the occasional situation where he's hungry, but theres tomuch going on so he does the on again off again thing. I still take him off, put it away. He usaully decides okay I am really hungary and will nurse a short time later.

However, he will NOT nurse in public anymore. So I take ebm if we're going to out for a long time. If he gets really hungary sometimes he will nurse in the car, but that's rare nowdays.

So, I definately think it's a developmental phase, but you can save yourself (and your nipples).

I know I rambled but HTH.
this is actually what I was thinking. that my ds does not need to nurse as much anymore. I offer every 45 minutes, and I guess that's where I was wrong. I don't want him to grow, I guess! stay a baby, please!!!!

cmili 07-02-2004 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by loving-my-babies
I don't want him to grow, I guess! stay a baby, please!!!!
I completely understand! It was very hard when this phase started. But it was easier to deal with when I realized he was just not wanting to nurse as often as opposed to not wanting to nurse at all.

They all grow up eventually I guess. I'll just have to have another!

loving-my-babies 07-02-2004 01:02 PM

Carra- I hear ya! I guess there's no other solution... other than having another one...
what can ya do, ya know? lol.. I guess we'll all end up with a dozen....

MarineWife 07-05-2004 11:21 PM

My 5 month old does the same thing. He probably started around 4 months. Dr. Sears says that's the age at which baby becomes more distracted by what's going on around him. I figured it meant he wasn't all that hungry or else he wouldn't be so easily distracted. If he doesn't seem interested in nursing, I just stop and wait until he wants it. It only gets annoying for me at night when I'm trying to sleep and he does it to the point that my nipples start to get irritated. I have no idea why he does it at night because his eyes are closed.

I have heard mother's say they stopped bf around 4 months because thier babies didn't want to anymore. How sad that they just didn't realize that this was a developmental stage and they would come back when they were ready.

loving-my-babies 07-05-2004 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MarineWife
I have heard mother's say they stopped bf around 4 months because thier babies didn't want to anymore. How sad that they just didn't realize that this was a developmental stage and they would come back when they were ready.

wow, I admit it's irritating sometimes, but to wean at 4 months?

monkaha 07-06-2004 12:35 PM

DS does this too. Sometimes it helps to pat his butt, like make little drum rhythms. Don't know if it gives him something else to focus on, or just helps him to calm down, or what, but sometimes(most of the time, really) it gets him to eat a real "meal". Sometimes throwing the sling tail over his head works, sometimes not.

I love those milky smiles too. It's a good thing they're so cute when popping on and off, or it would REALLY be annoying

teachma 07-06-2004 12:43 PM

Dd is almost 3.5 months and has started this frustrating latch-on, latch-off nursing pattern, too. I think the mama who mentioned that they just don't really need to nurse as frequently anymore is right- and I am now misinterpreting the fist in mouth for hunger and trying to nurse her each time her hands are in her mouth, thinking she must be hungry. But, she is also teething (I think) so there's a lot more of that fist-in-mouth. I think I need to learn when it's her sign of hunger and when it isn't!

Also, with ds a few years ago, I remember hearing that this latch on-latch off was also a way for babies to get a quicker let-down, so maybe they sometimes do it on purpose to get the milk to come quickly?

MarineWife 07-06-2004 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by teachma
I am now misinterpreting the fist in mouth for hunger and trying to nurse her each time her hands are in her mouth, thinking she must be hungry.

Also, with ds a few years ago, I remember hearing that this latch on-latch off was also a way for babies to get a quicker let-down, so maybe they sometimes do it on purpose to get the milk to come quickly?
I still have a hard time figuring out if ds is hungry or teething or tired. I first offer the breast. If he doesn't seem interested in that, I offer something to chew on (which he's always interested in). If that doesn't help him, I usually walk, rock and bounce him for a bit to see if he falls asleep. Sometimes I think his teeth are just bothering him so much that he has to chew and yell and there's nothing I can do.

I've read that sometimes if the let down is very strong, baby will suck and then let go so that he doesn't get overwhelmed. Maybe that's part of it.

MarineWife 07-10-2004 07:21 AM

Ok, how about lay down, latch on, latch off, sit up, lay down, latch on, latch off, sit up...with a baby that can't sit up on his own yet?

Bonawich 07-11-2004 11:54 AM

My 5 Month old son has been doing this for at least a month. We nurse in public a lot (he comes to work with me 2 days a week) and I joke that he wants everyone to see his favorite toy! I've been using the "3 strikes and you're out" method - if he does it three times, I figure he doesn't need to nurse and I'll sit him in my lap or stand him up so he can get a look at whatever was distracting him. This works pretty well.

I'm in a babygroup with about 10 couples - babies are 4-7 months and they are all doing this. So funny when we get together!

Good luck!

Nicole

gratefulmum 07-11-2004 07:10 PM

Thank you, I was actually coming to post about this same problem myself! Dd is 4 months old and has been doing this for about a week now. Thinking back, it does make sense that she's just not that hungery when I nurse her this way. Like an hour ago when my breat was soooo full that I decided it was time for a little num-nums. Guess I should've taken advantage of the situation to pump a little.
At other times she just really needs to make a dirty diaper. She'll off/on a while and fuss in between until her tummy feels better, then suck with that flirty smile that says it has nothing to do with hunger.
So, I guess I agree that it's developmental.

I do sometimes try and put "blinders" on her with my hands if we're out in public and I can't turn the lights out.


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