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Breastfeeding > It's summer and I want some WINE!
boatbaby's Avatar boatbaby 09:46 AM 04-08-2005
Ok so it'sonly spring... BUT
I haven't had a drop to drink since I knew I was pregnant. That was about 19 months ago.
I am still BF'ing and DS does not do solids yet ---

When how can I have a glass of wine? I know there is a certain time you can do it before or after a feeding...

Once he is well established on solids (but still BF'ing), can I then drink wine with dinner kind of thing? Or should I hold off until he weans?

I know this may be a rookie question --sorry...

Trishy's Avatar Trishy 10:12 AM 04-08-2005
girly's mama's Avatar girly's mama 10:16 AM 04-08-2005
I understand completely!!!

I was told to have it right after a nursing session and then not to nurse for a few hours after. My dd never acted like it bothered her.

If you are really concerned nurse then have wine then pump and dump before the next feeding, or give him EBM instead of bf'ing.

Good luck!! I hope you are able to enjoy the wine!!
boatbaby's Avatar boatbaby 10:18 AM 04-08-2005
We only BF from the tap -- we've never pumped or used a bottle so pump and dump is not really an option this late in the game.
Thanks for the link!

Is it different once he's a toddler and getting most of his calories from solids?
sunnysideup's Avatar sunnysideup 10:36 AM 04-08-2005
AAP says that it's ok to have 1-2 glasses of wine a week while bfing. There is no need to pump and dump.
Irishmommy's Avatar Irishmommy 11:10 AM 04-08-2005
I don't see a problem.
KoalaMommy's Avatar KoalaMommy 12:36 PM 04-08-2005
We're friends with DD's doc and I had his family over for dinner one night. They brought a bottle of wine, I had a glass and then when they were trying to finish it off, I protested another glass, saying that I was nursing and I'd already had some, the doc poured me another half glass and said "your liver is fine" :LOL He's my doc too, so he would know. Apparently he didn't think it was a big deal.

BTW, I don't see how waiting 2 hours makes that much of a difference. If it's in the milk, and the milk hasn't been used, is it going to suddenly disappear? Maybe someone could explain that to me.
calpurnia's Avatar calpurnia 12:59 PM 04-08-2005
Alcohol reduces breastmilk

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Breastfeeding mothers who drink even moderate amounts of alcohol do not produce as much milk, US researchers said yesterday.

One or two glasses of wine delays the production of milk and reduces the quantity available, according to a team at the Monell Chemical Senses Centre in Philadelphia.
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"Unlike the situation during pregnancy, when alcohol consumed at any time is always passed on to the foetus, a lactating woman who drinks occasionally can wait a few hours after she stops drinking to breastfeed so that her infant is not exposed," she said. But milk production would be affected in the short term.
Study was done with 17 women & babies aged between two & four months. Rather small sample, in my opinion.
UUMom's Avatar UUMom 01:03 PM 04-08-2005
Breastfeeding French moms drink wine.

A little wine is fine. In fact, sometimes I've had wine at dinner while I nursed my baby. It takes a little while to even get into the milk- and even then it's not a lot than manages to make it. OTOH, I am not sure that the miniscule amount would even be a problem for most breastfed babes. Drinking wine and nursing in 30 minutes or an hour might be worse. A two hour wait seems excessive. Pump and dump for a glass of wine with dinner seems waaaaaaaaaaaay excessive. To me. Not to be confused with medical advice.

You're not getting drunk. You're having wine with dinner. Big big difference.
UUMom's Avatar UUMom 01:06 PM 04-08-2005
I can't see how a glass of wine would reduce milk production in such a short period of time. Maybe make sure whatever you eat with your wine has garlic in it, since babies suck longer when their mothers eat garlic. Maybe it will all come out in the wash.
spero's Avatar spero 01:10 PM 04-08-2005
I never worried over having a glass of wine here and there while bfg. I didn't time it, either....just had a glass and then nursed if baby wanted to. I don't think it's a big deal, as long as you're not guzzling glass after glass every day.

It never affected my supply....I continued to lactate for at least 18 months-2 yrs after weaning two of my kids!
alegna's Avatar alegna 01:13 PM 04-08-2005
Go for it. I've had a few drinks since dd was born. A glass of wine or two on holidays and a well-deserved frozen margurita here and there Like you I don't pump- all straight from the tap. No problems. The alcohol content of your milk will match your blood alcohol content so unless you're REALLY drunk the amount in your milk will be very VERY low.

enjoy!

-Angela
Oh the Irony's Avatar Oh the Irony 01:17 PM 04-08-2005
Boatbaby, Go have a glass of wine on the deck of your boat at sunset. Medicinal.
3girls1boy's Avatar 3girls1boy 01:31 PM 04-08-2005
I never worried about it too much either. I only drink occasionally though--I'm such a lightweight these days, that a glass of wine just puts me right to sleep!

In my mom's day (1960s) it was actually recommended by some to drink beer when nursing. Well, in the 60s some doctors were giving out diet pills to pregnant moms and no one ever cautioned moms not to smoke and drink while pg.
TiredX2's Avatar TiredX2 02:04 PM 04-08-2005
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BTW, I don't see how waiting 2 hours makes that much of a difference. If it's in the milk, and the milk hasn't been used, is it going to suddenly disappear? Maybe someone could explain that to me.
Alcohol is concentrated in bmilk as the same amount as in the blood. It also disappates at the same rate. For most adults it takes approximately one hour to fully metabolize one alcoholic drink. So, even for a small woman a single drink should be fully out of the system after two hours.

I, personally, don't think people need to wait *or* pump and dump if you are talking about a single serving of alcohol per hour or two. That would generally give you a blood alcohol level of NO HIGHER than .04. Thats not 4%, that's not .4%. That's .04% of your blood being composed of alchohol. Beer is generally 3-5% alcohol, wine into the higher single digits and hard alcohol 40-80%. So, if your child drank 12 (quite a lot!) ounces of bmilk at its most concentrated after a single drink it would have 1% the alcohol as a single beer.

Just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
Thia's Avatar Thia 02:08 PM 04-08-2005
I have occassionally had a small glass of wine with dinner or while cooking it and most of the time it seems to have no effect on my milk or dd. A couple of times I noticed she seemed a little sleepy, but all that meant was that she slept better and so did I! I say go for it.
Tine's Avatar Tine 03:26 PM 04-08-2005
Another vinophile breastfeeder here. Ditto PPs' comments on the miniscule concentration of alcohol in breastmilk, no need to pump & dump, etc. See Dr. Jack Newman's The Ultimate Book of Breastfeeding Answers for some really refreshing and well-researched views on breastfeeding and alcohol.
spero's Avatar spero 03:53 PM 04-08-2005
vinophile breastfeeder :LOL
liseux's Avatar liseux 04:16 PM 04-08-2005
If you weigh 150 or more, it will take even more wine to get to the baby.

I never understood how there was any worry about this. To me caffeine seems so much worse to drink while nursing. It can have a half life of up to 60 hours in a newborn and make your baby so fussy, while alcohol gets processed prety quickly. Its not like alcohol goes flying out of the boob as you drink it, by the time you nurse again it will be gone, unless you drink the entire day away!
sarajane's Avatar sarajane 04:26 PM 04-08-2005
Amen to the caffeine thing. I would think that would be worse. Soda water is so bad for you. Ah, I can't wait for that first sip of wine! I've been drooling over it for weeks. The bottled water in our grocery store just has to be right next to the wine.....it is torture not to buy any.
mom2threenurslings's Avatar mom2threenurslings 04:34 PM 04-08-2005
Forget wine, pass the margaritas! (I'm pregnant, so no alcohol for me... until September!)

As TiredX2 posted, the amount of alcohol in your bloodstream is the same as the amount of alcohol in your breastmilk. When the alcohol is out of your bloodstream, it's out of your breastmilk! If you are legally drunk (I'm not suggesting you get legally drunk, as a drunk parent isn't a responsible parent, just making an example!) you have as much alcohol in your bloodstream as does a "nonalcoholic" beer (O'Douls and the like).
boatbaby's Avatar boatbaby 05:34 PM 04-08-2005
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Originally Posted by wolfmama
Boatbaby, Go have a glass of wine on the deck of your boat at sunset. Medicinal.
That's EXACTLY what I want to do now that the weather is nice!

Thanks everyone for the great input... no how about a mojito
Just kidding...
msright2474's Avatar msright2474 08:33 PM 04-09-2005
There was a good article about this in LLL's publication recently.
abac's Avatar abac 10:33 PM 04-09-2005
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Originally Posted by UUMom
Breastfeeding French moms drink wine.

A little wine is fine. In fact, sometimes I've had wine at dinner while I nursed my baby.
I say this (about the French) to people who think I shouldn't be drinking. I also have been known to hold my ds to my breast with one hand and hold a beer in the other. I also think I probably drink a little more frequently than some other moms on here. I'm not a lush or anything, but with the nice weather I see no problem with having a beer or two in the evenings (or wine.) I don't pump and dump or wait or anything...I just don't see it as a problem. I've never had any problems with my supply and ds doesn't seem affected by it at all.
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Originally Posted by mom2threenurslings
I'm pregnant, so no alcohol for me... until September!
I also had the occasional beer or glass of wine while pregnant. My doctor okayed it- told me no more than one or two drinks a day. I never had that much, but definitely didn't feel bad about the occasional beer or glass of wine. I realize that for many this is a definite no-no, but that's what I did.
Boobiemama's Avatar Boobiemama 11:08 PM 04-09-2005
I also see no prob with a few drinks while nursing an older baby/toddler.
BabyBumblebee's Avatar BabyBumblebee 11:32 PM 04-09-2005
Hehehe - love some of the replies here

I have been having a couple of glasses of wine per week ever since dd was born: my very best friend is a midwife and she suggested it!
I found that far from decreasing my supply it actually made my letdown faster and heavier.......just a sideffect of being a little more relaxed.
I still haven't had any caffeine though
gizzyntaz's Avatar gizzyntaz 04:47 PM 04-10-2005
I'm another mama who drinks wine occasionally, and have since DS was born 3.5 months ago. Everything is straight from the tap so there is no waiting or pumping and dumping considered. I think if mama isn't happy... nobody's happy
bunsmom's Avatar bunsmom 12:23 AM 04-11-2005
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Originally Posted by abac
I say this (about the French) to people who think I shouldn't be drinking. I also have been known to hold my ds to my breast with one hand and hold a beer in the other. I also think I probably drink a little more frequently than some other moms on here. I'm not a lush or anything, but with the nice weather I see no problem with having a beer or two in the evenings (or wine.) I don't pump and dump or wait or anything...I just don't see it as a problem. I've never had any problems with my supply and ds doesn't seem affected by it at all.I also had the occasional beer or glass of wine while pregnant. My doctor okayed it- told me no more than one or two drinks a day. I never had that much, but definitely didn't feel bad about the occasional beer or glass of wine. I realize that for many this is a definite no-no, but that's what I did.

I am drinking a glass of wine as I type this, while DD lays on my lap. Our midwives said a glass of wine a day while pregnant was fine as well. I had Champagne the day after DD was born and I drink one or two beers or glasses of wine a couple times a week.

Our culture is so strange when it comes to certain things.

My step MIL said when I was drinking a glass of wine with dinner after DD was born (in a snotty voice) "oh, I didn't know you could drink while breastfeeding"...I said "Oh, yeah, YOU CAN"...she drinks to the point of stumbling, drunk, crying etc...but god forbid I have a glass of wine with dinner.

Have fun and have that wine!
bunsmom's Avatar bunsmom 12:24 AM 04-11-2005
Meant to give a to abac!
flowers 12:46 AM 04-11-2005
ABAC, I am in your category. I I had a drink here and there while I was pregnant...usually sipping slow with food and towards the end of my pregnancy (like when I was was WAY past my edd!) i had a glass of wine every night to try and chill out.

DS is 6 mos now and for awhile I did the sip my dh's beer and sometimes I have my own. Lately though with the nice weather and we have had some friends visit I have had a few drinks after ds goes to bed for the night. A few times he has woken up to nurse early and I have had mixed emotions. But it is more my gut tells me it is okay, because I am feeling fine and he is the picture of health and happiness.

You know when I read the info concerning the topic I was struck how your let down can be delayed after 2+ drinks and I thought that was actually pretty neat in the way it could be your body protecting your baby from a larger amount of alcohol. Although judging from the information here it seems it would be pretty difficult to even pass that much alcohol onto baby.
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