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Hi there,

I'm new around here, and don't recognize this phrase. What does it mean? I had baby blues with #1 and full PPD with #2. We are ttc #3, and I'm trying to be proactive in case I have issues with this again.

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Hi. Having had intrusive thoughts myself (inclued in the diagnosis(e) of depression and possible bipolar), my definition is "Thoughts that 'just play' in your mind." That is, you aren't sitting there "day dreaming". You are going about your business, and all of the sudden, some horrible scene will playout in front of you. These can be scary! In my case, I knew they were not "real", but they still insisted on "playing out". That's the difference between psychosis and these- what they call "Horror Movie Hallucinations". (The book I found the phrase in at home. Its "The Bipolar Handbook". Your bookstore might have it, or even your local psychiatrist's office.)

Basically an intrusive thought is just that- a thought that is intruding on your functioning. In my case, I was taking my kids to school, or washing their hair or whatever it might be and saw vividly myself maiming them severely. Then it spread to other children at their school. This wasn't out of rage. Just these odd scenes - like a movie playing before my eyes "in 3D".
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intrusive thoughts can be pretty scary, i had them a lot when my dd was a newborn and until the medication started kicking in. they were a lot like what the pp wrote. intrusive thoughts are pretty common but not talked about a lot. it's unfortunate because it only causes women to feel more isolated and not to talk about their experiences.

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I don't normally read in this forum, but are intrusive thoughts a symptom of PPD? I had this so badly when DS was born, and still occasionally get them. I thought I was losing my mind for a few months. It is good to read about other mama's having similar thoughts.

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I don't normally read in this forum, but are intrusive thoughts a symptom of PPD? I had this so badly when DS was born, and still occasionally get them. I thought I was losing my mind for a few months. It is good to read about other mama's having similar thoughts.
yes, it's a classic symptom of PPD. probably the most alarming for new moms.

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Sometimes intrusive thoughts are referred to as unbidden images, in that sometimes they aren't even a formed "thought" but just a disturbing image that you can't seem to control.

In PPD, many moms will report seeing images of their child terribly injured or dead, sometimes at their own hand, even though they have absolutely no desire to carry out what they've seen. The thoughts are repulsive and disturbing, but cannot be shaken.

Sadly, it is very rarely spoken of. New moms are terrified to verbalize what they are seeing and thinking, for fear that people will think that they are imbalanced, or even worse, that they are a genuine threat to their child.

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So for me I have always gone on zoloft a few weeks before my births. I am on 200mg right now and intrusive thought free! I have had anxiety problems since my late teens.
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Sometimes intrusive thoughts are referred to as unbidden images, in that sometimes they aren't even a formed "thought" but just a disturbing image that you can't seem to control.

In PPD, many moms will report seeing images of their child terribly injured or dead, sometimes at their own hand, even though they have absolutely no desire to carry out what they've seen. The thoughts are repulsive and disturbing, but cannot be shaken.

Sadly, it is very rarely spoken of. New moms are terrified to verbalize what they are seeing and thinking, for fear that people will think that they are imbalanced, or even worse, that they are a genuine threat to their child.
I cannot tell you what a relief it is to read that other mamas have had the same thoughts. After I had DS, he was in the hospital for a week, and I was with him. I would frequently have thoughts (like a dozen times a day or more) of just how fragile he was. I would picture him twisted or with broken limbs, or just completely maimed somehow. It was horrible. I seriously worried that I would somehow make some of those things happen to him. I never would hurt him in a million years, but didn't tell anyone about the images for a long time. I wish it were talked about more.

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You are definetly not alone. I had ppd with horrible intrusive thoughts after my ds (age 19 now) was born. I had full blown panic attacks all the time. I was so afraid to tell anyone. I am only so glad that now ppd is so much more known. I thought I was completly crazy, and now I know that it was ppd. I actually run a support group in my town now, for ppd. ( Please im me if you would like anymore information. ) I have 4 other children ( ages 14, 9, 7 and 4) and I never had ppd again. Have you spoken with your doctor or midwife regarding any of this? That might be a good place to go next.
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... for replying. This sounds exactly like the thoughts I have had for awhile. It's so good to know that I'm not insane or a real threat to anyone. I don't remember if I had any of these thoughts before I had my first, but I still have them, even two years after my second. Could it be that I still have PPD? I kind of feel like I need to deal with this before / while ttc #3, but I also don't want to deal with it or admit it for fear that my ability to care for my family will be called in to question.

Also, I refused medication (long story about options) after #2, because I did not want to give up bfing. I knew (or thought) that when I came off the meds that I would feel so guilty for depriving my ds because I couldn't handle things. I had also read/heard about the tunnel effect that some anti-depressants can have, and wanted to avoid that.

Has anyone had experiences with meds that would prove me wrong?

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the doctor i had in the hospital told me that everyone has intrusive thoughts at times, for example, when driving the thought flits through your head "waht if i crash the car", the difference with PPD is that it is focused around your baby and it is frequent and can be obsessive (post partum OCD). that doesn't mean you are going to act on the thoughts, they just occur more frequently and because they revolve around your baby they are very distressing. i felt paralysed by intrusive thoughts when i was at my worst and my first psychiatrist didn't help, she only made me more anxious because she wasn't familiar with treating PPD and we just didn't click. i later saw a specialist in PPD and she told me that intrusive thoughts are very common with PPD and treatable. i am now on Celexa and that helps a lot.

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I took zoloft after my dd and after my ds as well. The only side effects were loss of my sex drive. the good side effect was I no longer had to deal with intrusive thoughts and being so low I was ready to die.

Zoloft is by far the safest to take while bfing. I nursed both mine till 2y 7m and they are still fine to this day.

I almost didnt get help with dd because i was worried I couldnt bfed and take anything but I am so thankful that isnt the case any more. There are safe meds.

 
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I think the scariest thing about the intrusive thoughts is how calmly the would come on. Like I would be carrying DS down the stairs and then image of myself throwing him down the stairs would take over, but it was just a calm occurance as if it was a normal thing to do.

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Yep Neva BTDT the most horrific thoughts just come out of no were. I have had some so bad they litterally make me physically ill.

 
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I breastfed while on Effexor. The benefits of breastfeeding outweighed the drawbacks of the effexor. So far, in the children that I have breastfed while on Effexor, I have noted no difference. That said, though, you need to do what you are comfortable with. It's important to follow your gut and do what you believe is right or you will constantly be second guessing yourself.
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I think the scariest thing about the intrusive thoughts is how calmly the would come on. Like I would be carrying DS down the stairs and then image of myself throwing him down the stairs would take over, but it was just a calm occurance as if it was a normal thing to do.
Exactly. There was no anger or rage associated. Nor regret or 2nd thoughts. I remember once thinking "Oh. I get it now. Why did I never see it before? I know why people kill other people."
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Yes, I had them too and also in the book Down Came The Rain by Brooke Shields she talks about having them...she said she thought of her baby hitting the wall and sliding down it and she went on Oprah and talked about it and all these other women came forward to say they also had horribly intrusive thoughts and her book helped them...also, yes, I agree that a lot of women are terrified to get help because they are afraid their kids will be taken away..like...oh no, they are going to think I am like Andrea Yates and that I am going to murder my kids...when you don't want to murder them at all...and the thoughts just torment you.
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Yes, I had them too and also in the book Down Came The Rain by Brooke Shields she talks about having them...she said she thought of her baby hitting the wall and sliding down it and she went on Oprah and talked about it and all these other women came forward to say they also had horribly intrusive thoughts and her book helped them...also, yes, I agree that a lot of women are terrified to get help because they are afraid their kids will be taken away..like...oh no, they are going to think I am like Andrea Yates and that I am going to murder my kids...when you don't want to murder them at all...and the thoughts just torment you.
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I had horrible intrusive thoughts when ds1 was newborn. it lasted for a few months but did go away on it's own, thank goodness. When I was pregnant with ds2 I was terrified of them coming back. I prepared for it by imagining myself saving the baby from whatever harm was coming to mind. When he was born I had a couple of the thoughts, but after picturing myself save him, they never came back. I hope that helps someone out there
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I had terrible intrusive thoughts around the 4 - 6 month mark. They have gone away mostly now, but I did have some last night, some awful ones. I am too scared to take anti depressants, no matter what the studies say in terms of safety.
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In PPD, many moms will report seeing images of their child terribly injured or dead, sometimes at their own hand, even though they have absolutely no desire to carry out what they've seen. The thoughts are repulsive and disturbing, but cannot be shaken.
Yep. As someone else said, very calm, just wandder into your consciousness and while you are repulsed and push them away, they just hang there. I saw my daughter dead or die so many times. Sometimes I would be calmly choosing what she would wear at her funeral. Horrid awful, guilt inducing. You don't want to tell anyone because you are afraid they will think you *want* to do this, or will.
I resisted a/ds for a year and had bad luck with side effects, but finally got going on Celexa and it has helped a lot. I still have bad days with PMS (PMDD) but it is more manageable.

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I am so glad I read this thread,as I have been having these since my baby was born,& never experianced them w/ my previous 3. Am on Zoloft,but unfortunatly I only have 1 pill left,and no insurance to refill the prescription. Not sure what to do next.
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the doctor i had in the hospital told me that everyone has intrusive thoughts at times, for example, when driving the thought flits through your head "waht if i crash the car"
My psych told me the same thing. I've suffered with them for a long time. Still once in awhile they come around. She said that everyone has them but for someone not suffering from anxiety or ppd it just a passing thought, but for someone with anxiety, ppd, OCD, it can play over an over because we worry about that thought and then that worry becomes more anxiety that causes more intrusive thoughts and it keeps snowballing.

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My psych told me the same thing. I've suffered with them for a long time. Still once in awhile they come around. She said that everyone has them but for someone not suffering from anxiety or ppd it just a passing thought, but for someone with anxiety, ppd, OCD, it can play over an over because we worry about that thought and then that worry becomes more anxiety that causes more intrusive thoughts and it keeps snowballing.
you explained this very well.

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I am 33 weeks pregnant, have restarted therapy and will be restarting Zoloft probably next week. I have come up with a plan to include the drug and talk therapy and DH will be off for the 1st 3 weeks, my sister will visit and we'll have friends coming to bring meals and will re-engage a cleaning person. DD will stay in preschool while I am on leave and we are trying to get her on a better sleeping schedule.

With DD I had horrible intrusive thoughts--of drowning her, throwing her out the 2nd story window, snapping her neck, mis-steering the car. There was nothing else going on--no other classic signs of PPD. I was still bonding with her and loving her. I alluded to the thoughts to my therapist when I broke down and got some help but I NEVER fully verbalized it when it happened for fear she would be taken from me and I'd be institutionalized. I never would have dreamed of acting on those thoughts--in fact they were the opposite of how I was feeling inside---swelling with love. After reading "Postpartum Depression for Dummies" where the author (leading PPD expert Shoshanna Bennett) actually had PPOCD it's understood that you must be careful to find a therapist well-versed in this flavor of PPD---some mental health professionals will (with good intentions) try and overcorrect the situation by taking the child away and/or putting you in a hospital. So---I would find someone now who really knows PPOCD inside/out. Surprisingly, women with PPOCD are often the most careful and safety-conscious of parents--- The mind is looking for the most disturbing thought possible --what could be more disturbing than your own precious child's death at your very hand?--nothing---nothing at all is more terrible than that. I couldn't enjoy this pregancy until I reached out and made a plan--and I am becoming more and more ready every day to be the mother of 2 beautiful little girls. Good luck to you and y ou may want to check that book out--it's very helpful.
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After reading "Postpartum Depression for Dummies" where the author (leading PPD expert Shoshanna Bennett) actually had PPOCD it's understood that you must be careful to find a therapist well-versed in this flavor of PPD---some mental health professionals will (with good intentions) try and overcorrect the situation by taking the child away and/or putting you in a hospital. So---I would find someone now who really knows PPOCD inside/out.
that's what happened to me. i talked about the intrusive thoughts and my doctor kept stressing to me how worried she was about me and only caused me to feel more panicked. i ended up in the hospital because of her. i later went to see a specialist in PPD and had a completely different reaction. she told me that intrusive thoughts are common in women with PPD and PPOCD and that i would be okay and that i would get through it. a completely different approach that made me feel much more confident that things would get better.

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i wonder if it would be possible to have this thread stickied or something. i think a lot of women with PPD have intrusive thoughts and never tell anyone because they think that their children will be taken away, that they will be told that they are terrible mothers, that they are going insane. i think it would be very helpful for mums with PPD to read about others who are dealing with intrusive thoughts. KWIM?

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I had terrible intrusive thoughts around the 4 - 6 month mark. They have gone away mostly now, but I did have some last night, some awful ones. I am too scared to take anti depressants, no matter what the studies say in terms of safety.
Being too scared to take meds is a symptom of anxiety. I would urge you to at least see a professional for some counseling. There are things you can do behaviorally to help with intrusive thoughts and anxiety.

The equation is NOT as simple as: No meds and my baby will be completely safe. There is a demonstrated effect on your child's development if your are depressed long term and do not get help. You are not able to interact with your child in the same way.

So the equation is:
Risk of not being treated vs. risk of meds. Neither is risk free.

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i wonder if it would be possible to have this thread stickied or something. i think a lot of women with PPD have intrusive thoughts and never tell anyone because they think that their children will be taken away, that they will be told that they are terrible mothers, that they are going insane. i think it would be very helpful for mums with PPD to read about others who are dealing with intrusive thoughts. KWIM?
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It's the big "hidden secret" of PPD - women are afraid to tell their health care providers, each other or even their partners because they're afraid they're going nuts or will be deemed unfit.

But it's a well-known and treatable part of PPD. They're not part of postpartum psychosis (which is rare and very scary), but an unknowledgeable health care provider might confuse the symptoms of intrusive thoughts with psychosis. For psychosis, women don't recognize their thoughts as abnormal. For intrusive thoughts, they do, and they're terrified by them.

Not every mother has them. I had severe PPD/Anxiety with both kids and no intrusive thoughts. But I know enough women who've had them that I know they're real, scary and treatable.

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