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I am probably the anomaly here because I am actually fascinated with all of the obscure occultist Steiner stuff that completely turns most people off. DH and I have been discussing a lot lately about the Mayan calendar, Egyptian mysteries, and the Atlantean race. It seemed quite coincidental to me that now that we have been into Waldorf, quite for other reasons, that some of Steiner's teachings seem to talk about these sentiments.

Sooo....as someone who hasn't studied anthro in depth or read any of Steiners' books, where should I start? I'm looking more at the esoteric, evolution of civilization type of readings....anything about Atlantis, astrology, akashic records, Egypt, that sort of thing.
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Hey there, another steiner/esoteric-weirdo here! Funny how it all came together....I was totally amazed when I discovered that Waldorf schools' undertones were completely in line with my spiritual experiences!! Talk about a lightbulb going off! My kids are all set to go in the fall. It's no wonder I've been feeling the Waldorf pull since my oldest was born!

how about philosophy of freedom or higher worlds? there is a lending library...in Ghent, NY I think...they can ship books to you to borrow! There are also e-books online too. Just do a google search!

Oh, yeah, I'm reading "the ascension handbook"(purple cover) right now....all about the Akashic Records (I'm in an AR study group on Thursdays!)

ETA: another book my class is reading....

"Bringers of the Dawn"- about the Pleiadeans...related to Mayan, ARecords and Egypt

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The most intimidating Steiner work is Outline of Esoteric Science (previously translated as Outline of Occult Science) which features a 200 page discussion of the evolution of the universe per anthroposophy.

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Theosophy of the Rosicrucian, is a good series of lectures as a starting point for anthroposophy, which describes many of his theories of evolution, reincarnation, racial hierarchies and spiritual structures. It's on the RSA here-
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/The...Ros_index.html

Teachers read Knowledge of the Higher Worlds And Its Attainment as part of their training, so that's an interesting one. Here's a quote from it

"For peoples and races are but steps leading to pure humanity. A race or a
nation stands so much the higher, the more perfectly its members express the
pure, ideal human type, the further they have worked their way from the
physical and perishable to the supersensible and imperishable. The evolution
of man through the incarnations in ever higher national and racial forms is
thus a process of liberation. Man must finally appear in harmonious
perfection." (Rudolf Steiner, Knowledge of Higher Worlds, 207)
The harmonious perfection, the pure ideal human type, he talks about is the aryan white race of course. Although I'm sure people argue that this can be argued away by Steiner "speaking as a man of his times". I disagree, his entire theory is based on evolving and reincarnating so that the "primitive" races disappear. These are the black races. I believe this is racist thought.


Cosmic Memory: The Story of Atlantis, Lemuria and the Division of the Sexes uses his "reading" of the akashic record to describe the Atlanteans and Lemurians and root races etc. This is also on the teacher's reading list incidently. Here's a quote
"“The ancestors of the Atlanteans lived in a region [i.e., Lemuria] which has disappeared...After they had passed through various stages of development the greatest part of them declined. These became stunted men, whose descendants still inhabit certain parts of the earth today as so-called savage tribes. Only a small part of Lemurian humanity was capable of further development. From this part the Atlanteans were formed. Later, something similar took place. The greatest part of the Atlantean population declined, and from a small portion are descended the so-called Aryans who comprise present-day civilized humanity...[T]he Lemurians, Atlanteans, and Aryans are root races of mankind.” [COSMIC MEMORY, pp. 45-46

You can get both these books on Amazon.

I agre with canndw too, Outline of Esoteric Science is also worth the read as he wrote it towards the end of his life, so it embraces a life's thoughts in a way. It's on the RSA here
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA013/...013_index.html
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The harmonious perfection, the pure ideal human type, he talks about is the aryan white race of course. Although I'm sure people argue that this can be argued away by Steiner "speaking as a man of his times". I disagree, his entire theory is based on evolving and reincarnating so that the "primitive" races disappear. These are the black races. I believe this is racist thought.
I'm curious to know....does he actually refer to the "white" race and/or "black" race?

Maybe "primitive" does not refer to color of skin but the way of being in the world??

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Kindermama, those sound like some fascinating reads!

We are starting to feel the same way, that our spiritual pull lately is more aligned with some of the esoteric sciences. I looked online at my library and they have a couple of those you mentioned. Then I was salivating at the list on Amazon. I think I'll start with the library.
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Kindermama,
Eeerrr, yes .

That is why I get cross! Because the anthroposophists try to push these beliefs under the carpet. I think they need to confront and disgard them.

In no way do I think Steiner Waldorf schools practice racism ( well, we had covert leanings at the school ours were) but on the whole, there isn't racism in the schools; but there is anthroposophical belief that there is a racial hierarchy, that eventually there will be no "race" as all will be the same, but on this journey, "lower" lesser races will be jettisoned in favour of "higher" ones. We could all reincarnate in any skin, the body is a vessel for the spirit and soul to climb the spiritual ladder. But, as can be seen by these passages, the white, "normal" body, is the one which progresses.


here's a few quotes ( my bold)

""Those people, however, who had developed their ego being too little, and who were too exposed to the influences of the sun, were like plants: they deposited too many carbonic constituents beneath their skin and became black. This is why the Negroes are black. Thus both east of Atlantis in the black population and west of Atlantis in the red population we find survivors of the kind of people who had not developed their ego-feeling in a normal way. The human beings who had developed normally lent themselves best to progress."

"Look at the colours to be found in Asia, from the Negroes to the yellow races. Hence you have bodies that are sheaths for every possible level of soul, from the completely passive Negro soul entirely given up the outer world of physical existence, to the other levels of passive souls in every possible part of Asia"

"On one side we find the black race, which is earthly at most. If it moves to the West, it becomes extinct. We also have the yellow race, which is in the middle between earth and the cosmos. If it moves to the East, it becomes brown, attaches itself too much to the cosmos, and becomes extinct. The white race is the future, the race that is creating spirit.”

"These things cannot happen in the world without the most violent struggle. White mankind is still on the path of absorbing spirit more deeply into its essence. Yellow mankind is on the path of preserving the period when the spirit is kept away from the body, when the spirit can only be sought outside of the human-physical organization. But the result will have to be that mankind’s next step upwards cannot happen differently than as a violent fight between white mankind and colored mankind in the most varied areas. And world history will consist of that which will lead to these battles between white and colored mankind until the great fight between white and colored mankind has been delivered."

" “If the blonds and blue-eyed people die out, the human race will become increasingly dense...Blond hair actually bestows intelligence. In the case of fair people, less nourishment is driven into the eyes and hair; it remains instead in the brain and endows it with intelligence. Brown- and dark-haired people drive the substances into their eyes and hair that the fair people retain in their brains.”

I'm sure many people may say now, that these quotes are "out of context".

The sentiment is the same, the same thread runs through steiner's work, that old , black, primitive races were not meant to have evolved ( Ahriman and Lucifer interferred in the evoluyionary process), and were not meant to be on earth at the same time as" normal" aryan, perfect races.
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Here Steiner explains that only white skin can accept the spirit properly
" "People have white skin color because the spirit works within the skin
when it wants to descend to the physical plane....

the characteristic of the mission of white humanity in general is to carry down the spirit, to impregnate the flesh with the spirit. Man has his white skin that the spirit may work in the skin when it descends to the physical plane.

where the spirit has still to work as spirit, where in a
certain way it has to stay behind in its development -- because in our time
it should descend into the flesh -- where it stays behind, takes a demonic
character and does not completely permeate the flesh, there the white skin
does not appear. Atavistic forces are present which do not let the spirit
come into complete harmony with the flesh."
Rudolf Steiner, "The Christ-Impulse as Bearer of the Union of the Spiritual and the Bodily"
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It might be fairer to include a broader survey of Steiner's comments. Though Steiner said all of what has been quoted here, I think it's fair to say that most anthroposophists and Waldorf teachers generally recognize the quotes below as closely connected to their aims and ideals, and as part of what attracts them to these fields - and thus these are more representative of the contemporary state of both anthroposophy and Waldorf education.

"The barometer of progress in the evolution of humanity is ... the understanding of the ideal of freedom that is prevalent, and the practical realization of that understanding. It is our conviction that the present age has taken a step forward in this understanding which is just as significant as the step initiated by the teaching of Christ: 'Let there be no difference between Jews and Greeks, between barbarians [a Greek term for foreigners: HG] and Scythians; but may you all be brothers in Christ.'"
Collected essays (GA 31), Dornach 1989, 13 July 1888.

“Endeavors to achieve tolerance, to achieve a general love of humanity: these have always been the forces that have produced the great steps forward in human progress. It is the wish of the theosophical stream to bring together in unity what individual cultural movements strive to attain. It wants to overcome small-mindedness and intolerance. For humanity can only achieve its goals nowadays if it unites in striving for them.”
"The Theosophical Congress in Amsterdam", June 1903, in Lucifer-Gnosis 1903-1908 (in GA 34), Dornach 1987.

“The highest principle of the Theosophical Society is: 'To be the core of a fraternal community that encompasses the whole of humanity without distinction of race, religion, social class, nationality or gender.' In fact this is the sole principle that is regarded as binding for members of this Society. All other efforts are merely intended as means towards achieving the great goal as expressed in this intrinsic requirement.”
“Theosophy and Socialism” (in GA 34), in Lucifer-Gnosis 1903-1908, October 1903.

“It is a great achievement in our soul life when we can learn through spiritual development to attain the ability to recognize truly the common soul element that imbues the whole of the human race, the unity that exists in the whole of humanity; it is a recognition which we don't receive as an unconscious gift, but that we must consciously set out to achieve. It is the task of the spiritual scientific world view to in truth and reality develop this unified soul of all of humanity. This is expressed in our first principle: to found a band of brotherhood across the world as a whole, without concern for race, gender, color and so on. That is the recognition of the soul, that is common to all humanity. All the way into the passions, the purification must take place that makes is self evident, that the same soul lives in your brother [as in yourself].”
The World Riddle and Anthroposophy (GA 54), Dornach 1983, lecture of 12 October 1905.

“Therefore it is necessary, that that movement that is called the anthroposophical movement, and that shall prepare for the sixth [Earth] epoch in its basic character, takes up especially this task of getting rid of that which related to 'racial character' and to unite people of all races, of all nations and in this way bridges this differentiation, these differences, this abyss that exists between different groups of people. Because that which are old racial points of view has a physical character, and that which will develop into the future has a spiritual character.
The Deeper Secrets of Human Evolution in the Light of the Gospels (GA 117), lecture of 4 December 1909.

“On the day when it comes about that the Brahmin not only loves and understands the Brahmin, the Pariah the Pariah, the Jew the Jew, and the Christian the Christian; but when the Jew is able to understand the Christian, the Pariah the Brahmin, the American the Asiatic, as a human being, and put himself in his place, then one will know how deeply it is felt in a Christian way when we say: 'All human beings must feel themselves to be brothers, no matter what their religious creed may be.' ”
The Spiritual Foundations of Morality (in GA 155), Hudson 1995, lecture of 30 May 1912.

“The trend which will become more and more general over the globe ... is no kind of approach to a new group-soul, but far rather the laying aside of the attributes of the group-soul. Intimately connected with this is the fact that the spiritual guidance of human beings will become more and more a matter individual to each one; they will have greater inner freedom in this respect. If Theosophy is to keep faith with its good old principles ... it will not cherish groundless hopes of a future culture emanating from one particular race.”
Earthly and Cosmic Man (GA 133), Dornach 1989, lecture of 20 June 1912.

“We can sense that the principle ... of working without any distinction between race, color, nationality and so on is fundamentally so closely bound up with the deeper being of our Movement that anyone who agrees with the profound seriousness of spiritual-scientific truths must realize that it would be nonsensical not to stand up for this first principle.”
Central Europe between East and West (GA 174a), Dornach 1982, lecture of 3 December 1914
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Hmm, maybe he knows something we don't. Maybe he doesn't know what he is talking about.

I, for one, can't throw the baby out with the bathwater on this one....too many things are in alignment with my experiences.

thanks for all the quotes!!!! I appreciate your time and energy

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