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Tomorrow, May 11th @ 10 AM. I believe they are going to discuss homebirth and their new childbirth book.

Should be interesting.

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interesting all right! I can tell from the preview it will get me all riled up
They've made some ignorant comments about circumcision in the past...

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It's on at 2 pm here if anyone's wondering

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interesting all right! I can tell from the preview it will get me all riled up
They've made some ignorant comments about circumcision in the past...
I thought Ricki was against?
Anyone catch it?

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sorry-the circ comments were on a show I caught awhile back.

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Oooh - I can't wait to see this. I wonder if it will be on hulu
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I don't have a tv - I only watch what I can watch online (which is actually a suprising amount lately)...I'm REALLY bummed I'm missing this - I saw the preview clip here:

http://www.thedoctorstv.com/main/show_page/207

Did anyone catch it? Were they just lambasted the whole time or were they able to make their point?

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gahhhh .... the OB on that show .... GAHHHHH ... agghhhh
wow. bleh. she is totally against homebirth and cautions that women and babies can die at home. oh and she says that OB's put their life out their for women and babies.
and dr. sears didn't even comment on the topic ... argggg
although i do have to say they let ricki get her point across.

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I watched which I usually don't watch The Doctors it's just um not my cup of tea. I love Ricki Lake, she is so well spoken!

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Wish I would have seen it.

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Well, I DVR'd it and just watched it. That Dr. Lisa tried to assert her opinion by bringing up dead babies and risks. Ricki (and Abby) were very well spoken and explained their positions well. The male doctors also really did a good job of moderating and being clear about a woman having a choice.

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Well, I DVR'd it and just watched it. That Dr. Lisa tried to assert her opinion by bringing up dead babies and risks. Ricki (and Abby) were very well spoken and explained their positions well. The male doctors also really did a good job of moderating and being clear about a woman having a choice.
That's funny the men would be the ones to point that out!

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What was also funny was, that when they had a guest on asking Dr. Lisa how to have a better outcome having her second baby, i.e., what techniques to use for natural labor, etc., she really didn't have an answer besides talk to the anesthesiologist in case she changes her mind about another epi (she had a bad experience with her first).

However, Ricki and Abby gave her really good advice, such as hiring a doula, laboring at home, using water, not laying in bed, walking around or bouncing, etc. She seemed really responsive to it as well.

Also, they gave their audiences copies of Ricki's and Abby's new book!

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I reeeeeeeeally wanted to see that one!! I thought I DVR'd it but I guess not!

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I at least liked that Dr. Stork was very supportive of homebirth. He even mentioned he has a cousin who had two beautiful, successful hbs. Dr. Lisa was just plain annoying.
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I taped (yes VCR!!!) and of course NOW the tape is stuck so I never got to watch it!!! Does anyone know HOW I can do that?
Hulu doesn't have it.......

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I watched it. While I think Ricki & Abby are great, the are not giving actual numbers & facts. (I guess it could have been editied out.) I think a MW would have been a great addition to the panel. One thing that I wish they had said, Pregnacy & Birth is a NORMAL state of being for MOST women!

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Watching now- OB just said pain medications doesn't effect process of labor....ARE YOU KIDDING ME.

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Eh, I'm glad I missed it. I would have been annoyed with that OB.

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I watched it. While I think Ricki & Abby are great, the are not giving actual numbers & facts. (I guess it could have been editied out.) I think a MW would have been a great addition to the panel. One thing that I wish they had said, Pregnacy & Birth is a NORMAL state of being for MOST women!
Actually, I do remember Ricki saying that birth is natural and a normal process for most women. It probably got lost in Dr. Lisa's rhetoric.

ETA: I also sometimes think that OBs are intimidated by knowledgeable midwives.

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I think a MW would have been a great addition to the panel.
yeah to that!

overall, for their typical viewers, i thought it was a very positive introduction to homebirths, women having more options, and enpowering women. even if ricki and abby didn't get into a lot of details or stats, i felt they got their point across in a very positive way and completely won the argument over dr. lisa. i was pleasantly surprised!

i think dr. sears kept fairly quiet b/c he had too. that is, he couldn't step on dr. lisa's toes. it was pretty clear to me though through his body language that he completely agreed with ricki. but...i still think he should have said something. it's important for the public to hear some truth from doctors like him.

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There's now more on the site if you missed it:

Part 1 http://www.thedoctorstv.com/ main/procedure_ list/292
Part 2 http://www.thedoctorstv.com/ main/procedure_ list/293

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I don't think this is the whole episode but some of it.

Part I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG-2r5XGs5M

Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VStSNCFeEk

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I don't think this is the whole episode but some of it.

Part I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG-2r5XGs5M

Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VStSNCFeEk
I just watched these clips. I didn't hate it. I thought I'd be spitting venom after watching but I thought it was very moderate.

I have only watched the Doctors before (the circ episode ugh) and hated it then but I must say the Bachelor doctor was a pleasant surprise. Even he pointed out that Dr. Lisa might be coming from a place of trying to protect her practice (not in those words). Hopefully, her bias was abundantly obvious to the viewers.

I thought Ricki and Abby presented themselves calmly. Ricki even said that she is not pushing home birth or hospital birth, she is only wanting women to be informed of their choice. How can you argue with that?

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