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#121 of 176 Old 02-03-2010, 02:31 AM
 
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Ok, I am so mad for Farrah. I am actually on her side and I think her mom treats her horrible. And Dr. Drew was making her feel bad for the way she treats her mom. Yes, duh, because her mom says that she is a bad mom and acts like Farrah is just this horrible person. She goes to school and works, give the girl a break and let her go out once in a while.

I cannot believe that Amber laughed when she saw the scene where she hit Gary. I know she is very immature but please, that was terrible. Classic abuser too "there is more back story than what they showed." It doesn't matter, you took it past the line and abused your DP.
YES to all of that!!! AND I also think that Dr. Drew is dead wrong that Ryan could possibly change. Did he not see/hear everything Ryan was saying/doing this whole season??? Honestly, I was not impressed with how Dr. Drew was handling things. I realize he has only a very short time to talk and to do the show..however, Farrah needed some support, Maci needed some support..good grief GARY needed some support!

You know who they need on there? Dr. Phil. He would tell them straight up.

It made me really sad to see how Amber has not taken any responsibility still for the problems in the relationship. She said she didn't regret hitting Gary, because she was defending her dad! Um, that does not make it ok.

I really felt like Farrah had come a very long way and didn't get alot of credit for it.

Also Tyler and Catelynn..still precious. And baby Carly looks EXACTLY like Tyler to me.
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Man, I just finished watching the finale special and it made me really upset. Dr. Drew was driving me insane. He seemed so dismissive to all of the girls, but especially Maci and Farrah. I can't believe he told Maci that she and Ryan should still try to work on their relationship!! She needs to get away from Ryan and do things for herself and Bentley. Wasting more time on Ryan just seems so stressful and awful for Maci.
As for Farrah, she used to drive me nuts, but she looked like she was hurting so bad during the whole finale. She really needs to get away from her mom. I was wondering if they filmed the special before or after Farrah's mom's arrest (not sure if I'm allowed to mention that, but hopefully it's ok since it's in reference to the show). I also hope Farrah doesn't get too caught up in the whole "I'll never find a guy" thing. She's only 18....someone right will come along sometime and I'm sure she won't be alone forever.

And what about Amber....do you think she's really pregnant again?

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i was kind of disappointed with farrah actually. i think she has come a long way but to me it sounds like she still feels entitled, which probably has a lot to do with how she was raised, because there are some odd dynamics in the family. she does seem to think she should be a teenager first, and a mother second. i don't think her mom is emotionally healthy though, but i can certainly understand why she would get frustrated with farrah. not a good situation for any of them.

i wonder how amber and gary will work out ... i'm not sure if she's pregnant or not. it seemed sort of an odd thing to bring up on tv before gary even knew about it.

i was sad for maci, i don't think that she and ryan should get back together either, unless ryan steps up to the plate and changes before they consider reuniting. but he doesn't feel sorry for treating her the way he did.

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Man, I just finished watching the finale special and it made me really upset. Dr. Drew was driving me insane. He seemed so dismissive to all of the girls, but especially Maci and Farrah. I can't believe he told Maci that she and Ryan should still try to work on their relationship!! She needs to get away from Ryan and do things for herself and Bentley. Wasting more time on Ryan just seems so stressful and awful for Maci.
I agree. I think Dr D sides with the males. Ryan humiliated Maci saying what he said to her. He is so immature. My 14 yr old son is more mature than him.

And Amber still seemed a bit snotty towards Gary IMO. I thought it was silly how she said he had to change a lot in order to come live in her home or something to that effect. I'm guessing he is now kissing her a$$. Nothing made that girl happy. But if they're happy then they're happy I guess. I think it's great if they truly are.

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I could not stand the host! What the heck was up with him talking about how Men love there children differently than women? He said it almost like he was making excuses for Ryan being distant with Bentley. Maci loving Bentley and wanting to be with him is normal, yes, but Ryan having NO interest what so ever in his son IS NOT! DH loves Ella just as much as I do! PARENTS should have a special bond and connection to there children, not just mothers!

And I wanted to scream when Amber started making excuses for hitting Gary. There are NO excuses for hitting someone, especially your dp. She had no right. I don't think she's pregnant, I found the whole situation very odd. I might be pregnant even though we always use protection and I haven't missed my period or taken a test, um what? To make that announcement on television without discussing it with Gary was ridiculous! I think it was all about getting attention, I think Amber is definitely an attention hog.

I found it really interesting that both Maci & Ryan said that they would work things out if they were married.

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Dr. Drew was really frustrating me too, especially with Maci. The whole thing about dad's not having that overwhelming love and did you see that face he made toward her toward to end of their segment? Like he scrunched his nose and shook his head like it was her fault or somehow she was to blame for how she feels about Ryan. And also Ryan calling Bentley an obligation. *pulls hair* Can we send Amber over to knock some sense into him instead of Gary lol? I have a feeling by the time he realizes what he's missing out on with Bentley it's going to be too late.

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I could not stand the host! What the heck was up with him talking about how Men love there children differently than women? He said it almost like he was making excuses for Ryan being distant with Bentley. Maci loving Bentley and wanting to be with him is normal, yes, but Ryan having NO interest what so ever in his son IS NOT!
I agree. some of the comments Dr. Drew made were very silly. I hope he's not a real therapist.

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And I wanted to scream when Amber started making excuses for hitting Gary. There are NO excuses for hitting someone, especially your dp. She had no right. I don't think she's pregnant, I found the whole situation very odd. I might be pregnant even though we always use protection and I haven't missed my period or taken a test, um what? To make that announcement on television without discussing it with Gary was ridiculous! I think it was all about getting attention, I think Amber is definitely an attention hog.
I thought Amber was showing off the entire time. She was trying hard to seem more normal than the other girls and the questions she asked each of them were so rude IMO.

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I was also wondering if Dr. Drew is an actual therapist because his advice was just inane on this show. I can't believe he was encouraging Macy to try more with Ryan. Any decent therapist would I hope have seen Ryan's behavior as abusive and not suggested Macy try harder. And all the men being so different (and incapable) crap was just on my last nerve and incredibly sexist. It does no one any favors to act like men by default can't be really good and loving parents.
Dr. Drew let Ryan off the hook basically because he's male but didn't do the same with Farrah and she's more of a parent to her child than Ryan is. Why the gross double standard, ugh!

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Dr. Drew let Ryan off the hook basically because he's male but didn't do the same with Farrah and she's more of a parent to her child than Ryan is. Why the gross double standard, ugh!
I didn't even think about that! That's a good point. Makes me dislike him even more lol

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No kidding. So what you aren't in love with your baby? You can still help out. You can play with your child so your partner can do a couple classes, especially when she doesn't even need to leave the house. And he was calling her lazy?? What exactly did Ryan do with his time during the day?

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Dr Drew is also anti breastfeeding so I pretty much don't listen to a word he says. LOL! He is just a tv doctor anyway. He has a radio show where he gives terrible, patronizing, chauvanistic "advice" about sex and he has a celebrity rehab show on vh1.

I think it is awful how he just let Ryan off the hook. Sickening.
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He is???! That is too bad. I recall listening to him on Loveline years ago and he was actually constantly countering his sidekicks sexist comments and advice, but maybe he has changed. That's horrible what he said about breastfeeding. What you just said would have been perfect- yeah it CAN be tough. But it is certainly not impossible. And it's free too, so you'd think that would be a perk even.
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Dr. Drew makes my head hurt. The entire episode, aside from Catelynn & Tyler, was just a train wreck.

Farrah & Ryan should hook up. They have similar parenting styles. They could leave both babies with their parents while they go out twice a week or more for SIX HOURS or more!!?! Seriously? But at least Farrah has a job, right?

Poor Gary. Amber is awful to him. Just awful. She's never satisfied.

Maci seems to be a great mom.
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Dr. Drew makes my head hurt. The entire episode, aside from Catelynn & Tyler, was just a train wreck.

Farrah & Ryan should hook up. They have similar parenting styles. They could leave both babies with their parents while they go out twice a week or more for SIX HOURS or more!!?! Seriously? But at least Farrah has a job, right?

Poor Gary. Amber is awful to him. Just awful. She's never satisfied.

Maci seems to be a great mom.
3 good point regarding Farrah and Ryan. Although Farrah seems to be "trying" atleast. Ryan acts like he has NO clue whatsoever. I can't believe his parents tolerate his behavior after watching the show. They must be very bad parents to raise such an uncaring and insensitive son. I'd be mortified if my son talked to anyone that way, especially the mother of his first child.

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What exactly did Ryan do with his time during the day?
I've wondered about this as well. He was living off unemployment so he wasn't working.

And on the last episode where Ryan was talking to his buddies he was talking about how Maci was so bossy and controlling. She only gets on him about how to treat her and his child. What's wrong with that? All women will expect that from him in life? Doesn't he realize that? What kind of parents does this boy have as a role model...that's what I want to know.

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I wouldn't be so quick to jump on Ryan's parents about his personality, and behavior. Obviously they do have an influence, but really, there are people who are dense almost regardless of what they are shown.
Saying that that Ryan's parent's are the reason for his lack of ... well responsibility and etc is like saying that Tyler's dad did a great job raising him. Yeah his mom is in the picture but you get the idea.
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I wouldn't be so quick to jump on Ryan's parents about his personality, and behavior. Obviously they do have an influence, but really, there are people who are dense almost regardless of what they are shown.
Saying that that Ryan's parent's are the reason for his lack of ... well responsibility and etc is like saying that Tyler's dad did a great job raising him. Yeah his mom is in the picture but you get the idea.
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From what they've shown on Teen Mom, Ryan's parents are trying to get him moving in the right direction.

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I didn't see where Drew talked to Ryan, but I did see him talk to Farrrah, and I didn't think he really got on her case either. I think his approach is directional but not overbearing. He brought up the issues with her and kind of let it go, where I felt like she kind of needed to be beat over the head with the obvious a little more. I'm curious now as to what he said to Ryan. I saw the episode where he basically called her lazy and Maci didn't take the bait. What a jerk.
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I wouldn't be so quick to jump on Ryan's parents about his personality, and behavior. Obviously they do have an influence, but really, there are people who are dense almost regardless of what they are shown.
Saying that that Ryan's parent's are the reason for his lack of ... well responsibility and etc is like saying that Tyler's dad did a great job raising him. Yeah his mom is in the picture but you get the idea.
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that's partly true. But have you seen Ryan's house? and Maci's parents house? Both families have very nice homes. They seem very well off. Ryan just reminds me of a snobby boy that needs to grow up. In fact, it's very obvious the way he talks to Maci on the show. I don't think what I'm saying is THAT off base. It's all shown by his behavior.

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From what they've shown on Teen Mom, Ryan's parents are trying to get him moving in the right direction.
when? The only time I've noticed that they even showed Ryans parents was when his dad was talking to him about needing to find a job soon because of his unemployment running out and when the guy came from the trucking company to talk about a job working for him and Ryan was a complete rude jerk concerning that job interview. I've never once seen an episode where Ryans parents talk to him about how he treats his child and Maci.

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when? The only time I've noticed that they even showed Ryans parents was when his dad was talking to him about needing to find a job soon because of his unemployment running out and when the guy came from the trucking company to talk about a job working for him and Ryan was a complete rude jerk concerning that job interview. I've never once seen an episode where Ryans parents talk to him about how he treats his child and Maci.
There were a couple of episodes where Ryan's parents had dinner with Maci and Ryan and his parents got onto him about how he's not there and he'll regret it later. There were also episodes where they all sat down on the couch and discussed the relationship problem Ryan and Maci have. OT my older brother is drug addict who's been to jail twice because of theft, but that has nothing to do with what kind of parents he had. As parents we can do our best to raise our children right, but in the end it's up to them to finish writing there story.

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Anyone else catch the un-aired scene's episode?

Dr. Drew continued to make me want to :Puke

When he led into the scene where Ryan threw away something Maci wanted to keep he said something along the lines of "sometimes couple fight over nothing" If I asked DH not to throw something of mine away and he did you can bet I'd be pissed. Aside from the fact he threw it out, he didn't LISTEN to her or respect what she was saying.

Why isn’t he hard on Amber? Did anyone else notice, he's not really hard on Amber? I wanted to go threw the t.v. and choke her during her convo with her dad. She makes everything about herself! "Dad, you're dying :-( AND this is how it effects me..." The man is dying, don't make him feel guilty because he's leaving you behind!

Am I the only one who laughed when Doctor Drew mentioned Amber had always dreamed of a big career as a cosmetologist?

I don't understand what's going on with Farrah's family. They didn't really go into 'why' her parents are getting a divorce. But why was Farrah so heartless during her conversation with her Dad? I wonder if there was an affair or something? I can't imagine just sitting there while my Dad cried wanting to know if he'd still be in my life.

It was nice to see that Catelynn has more contact with Carly's parents than they showed during the season.

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I love this show and I'm really looking forward to seeing the un-aired scenes.

I think Farrah really woke up this season, I thought she was a spoiled brat in the beginning.

I can relate to Amber, and I think she needs a more supportive system, I'm glad that her and gary are working it out.

I love love love Maci, and I admire the strength she had to choose what's best for her and bentley and leave ryan. Most girls would not have done that. Kudos to her.

I think the couple that called my heart the most was Tyler and Catelynn as I know exactly how she feels as a birthmother myself. A lot of people have told me I'm not a parent or a mother to the boys I gave up for adoption but I still care about them and love them just as much as I would if I was parenting them.

All around I can't wait for the next season of 16 and pregnant.

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I don't understand what's going on with Farrah's family. They didn't really go into 'why' her parents are getting a divorce. But why was Farrah so heartless during her conversation with her Dad? I wonder if there was an affair or something? I can't imagine just sitting there while my Dad cried wanting to know if he'd still be in my life..
I wondered if her dad might be having an affair as well since her mother kept talking about how he is never around. I was chuckling as Farrah's mother was sitting there telling her dad how often he would visit and this and that. She sounded like she was making business appointments with someone not talking to her husband. Farrah's mom is just so...strange or something. She's very cold and distant with people.

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Whoa. I just finished watching this season. Seriously?!
Dr. Drew - totally makes me want to scream half the time. Did anyone catch his "Breastfeeding is hard and it hurts, and, bla bla bla" (sub text: it's ok. breastfeeding is too hard for anyone to do in real life.)? I guess it was on the original 16 and Pregnant episodes, not the Teen Mom ones, but still. Ugh. I also think he needs to be way harder on Amber. However, I can understand not wanting to get in to that in television, because a person can only handle so much whining and shrieking.
Speaking of, Amber makes me want to turn off the tv. I'm sure Gary also has his issues, but I can. not. handle her constant drama queen act. Does the girl HAVE a normal speaking voice?! That's a little harsh, she does seem to geuinely be relaxed and having fun with Leah sometimes, and I know the family situation she comes from is a little less than ideal. I just think she causes 90% of her problems and then blames it all on other people (Gary, mostly).
I'm also in the loving Maci club. I hope she doesn't cave to the pressure to get back together with Ryan (even from Dr. Drew!?). Again, I think Ryan probably has his strong points, and I suspect in a few (maybe many?!) years he'll be a solid guy, but he's not a good partner now. I think Maci pulls at my heartstrings a little too because I have similar tendencies in the communication department. Thankfully, things seem to get better with a bit of maturity, so maybe she will get better at expressing needs/wants/disappointment with time.
Farrah does seem to have pulled it together over the course of the season. She seems pretty sad, in many ways too though. Her mother is a gong show. I think much of what she says is not what she truly believes, but she just lacks the self-confidence to be her own person, free from caring overly about what people think about her.
Catelynn and Tyler constantly blow me away with their maturity and their awareness, both of themselves and of their families and situations.

This whole show just makes me want to cry, or shake my head. We are totally the parents that our own parents model for us. It's pretty insane. Even Catelynn has many mannerisms and methods of speach from her mother, and I would say she's the most self-aware (and determined to be different) of the four. Not that "being" our parents is always a bad thing, and I know people can change, but it's hard to fight against ingrained coping and communication methods, and lifestyle choices, especially when, as a teenager, you are still fighting to claim a "self".

DP and I are far from perfect, but I'm so grateful for the (relatively, his family is a little messed up) healthy families we come from. I think we're pretty solid parents, most of the time. We're in the middle of transfering our foster care license from one province to another, and seeing this show has made me more aware of teen pregnancy/parenting. I just today talked to our social worker and asked that we be called if there's ever a pregnant teen in care. Not that I think it would be any sort of an easy placement, and it would be hard to fight against the urge to "teach" a young woman to parent the "right" (my!) way. But, I think it would be an awesome thing to possibly help a teenaged mama to feel a little more empowered, a little more capable, a little more validated as a birthing and parenting woman.

Are there updates out there? Is Amber pregnant again? Is Maci back in school? Are they going to film any more episodes?

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The reunion show looks good. I feel bad for Maci in the previews alone when Ryan says he wouldn't ever talk to her except for Bentley. And yes Amber says she might be pregnant again and from the clip they are most definetly back together (it shows his hand on her leg and arm around her). Ugh, I just feel bad for Leah with all the yelling but it did look like Amber's apartment was much tidier than when she lived with Gary. Interesting to see how she would do at work because I have a feeling that will be a big wake up call. On a personal note I have really mixed feelings about Catelynn and Tyler's adoption counselor Dawn. In previous episodes I felt like she was really rude and talked down to them and had the impression the adoption is over buh bye. But I like how now she has helped Catelynn with the birthmom retreat and especially in this episode where she was talk to them about the adoption and telling Catelynn she doesn't need to pretend to be happy about the adoption all the time. Thats the smartest thing she said yet! I really felt before Dawn wanted to show the adoption only in a positive light and now she's telling them its ok to be mad and sad. They seemed to be in a better place.
Yeah that! I was super bothered, at the hospital when she kept coming in and telling them to get a move on and hand over the baby. I'm sure there were fears that they would back out, but I think that coul have been handled a whole lot better. Tyler and Catelynn didn't seem too bothered by it, but I was. As a future adoptive parent, I darn well hope that the birth parents get the time they need to say goodbye!
I'm also a little confused about why Brandon and Teresa were even presented as possible matched, since they wanted a closed adoption and Ty and Catelynn clearly articulated that they wanted regular contact and information. It seems, to me, that Dawn should have been more on the ball with the details there, especially because it would have headed off a lot of the problems with Ty and Catelynn wanting to know their child's name, etc. I really hope the relationship between the two couples continues to evolve in a positive way.

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I don't understand what's going on with Farrah's family. They didn't really go into 'why' her parents are getting a divorce. But why was Farrah so heartless during her conversation with her Dad? I wonder if there was an affair or something? I can't imagine just sitting there while my Dad cried wanting to know if he'd still be in my life.
For some reason, and I could be way off base, but during that whole scene I got the impression that he's not her bio dad. Maybe a step dad? Either way it's STILL really wierd the way it was handled.
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I just finished watching episode 5.

Some random thoughts:

I like Gary. He seems like a good guy who is trying his best. I think he has grown a lot from the first season when he spent money on the playstation. It seems like he really cares for Amber and Leah and wants it to work.

When I watch Amber I am very aware of how young she is. She just needs to mature and grow. It was very difficult to watch the scene where she hits Gary, because it reminds me of what my STBX did to me. I think she is very verbally abusive to him.

Leah is beyond adorable!

Farrah.. wow, she has more of a social life than I do and I am single with no kids I agree that her parents send her mixed messages because they say they don't want her to go out yet they watch the baby for her. I don't think I agree that they are verbally abusive to her. That is just my opinion but I think a lot of what they say is just the truth, although they could phrase it better. I don't think it is okay for her to cuss out her parents when she lives with them rent free and they do so much for her child. It is sad I also think that when you live in someone else's house, they do get some say in what time you come home, regardless of how old you are *sorry, I know that will be an unpopular opinion, but my parents were nice enough to let me live here after I had to leave my STBX, and I can't imagine telling them I am staying out to all hours of the night*.

Maci... oh she is doing a great job with her baby! I feel sad that Ryan is not supportive at all. He is not nice or respectful to her.

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Wait... Ryan called Maci lazy? Please tell me I heard that wrong

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No you heard it right, he told her she quit school because she's lazy!

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