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A great book to read that discusses this misconception is "The Teenage Liberation Handbook".
This book has a lengthy section which discusses how to get into college after not having attended elementary or secondary schools.

Institutional learning is not right for everyone, but it is right for some people. It's how I learn best.
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I know construction workers that are making 30-40 an hour.

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And the possibility of being laid off if they are union or out of work between jobs.
The possibliity of losing one's job exists in any profession.
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My flyingspaghettimonster, people...it is a TEEVEE SHOW. About a man with some problems holding down a job, an incredibly fecund wife, and their odd little children who all look the same and are "so well-mannered and good" due to plenty of blanket time and spankings. They were chosen to be on this show BECAUSE they are so weird, on so many levels.

I think I have something better to do than debate the questionable virtues of this particular family. If someone is soooo inspired by incredibly odd people on the teevee, crushing the individuality and spirit out of their children, then good for them. Seeing as they won't be putting away money for a college fund, there will be plenty left over for therapy. I don't generally find my heroes on television. "Nelson Mandela hosts ...Truth Squad!" Nope, not gonna find that on there.

I think I need to go do my laundry now. Maybe scrub a toilet or two...or twelve...
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Every mama here makes choices for their children every day...
I guide my child to make her own choices. I may make choices on her clothing because she doesn't care at this point, but as soon as she does, it's her choice. Making a few choices is not ruling her life and that's what I'm against.

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Originally Posted by AngelBee
Between jobs my dh does side jobs

(Dh is trained in plumbing and all aspects of construction (can build a house from the ground up by himself except is not confident in his electric skills)

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What if there are no side jobs available? Not everyone lives in a metro area.
So what? People in "professional, college degree required jobs might be laid off in a non-metro area as well. I find that people who are not institutional-think inside the box educated, are more likely to figure out another way to make a living thatn what they had previously been doing.
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As far as the clothes go, I can see the younger ones not minding dressing alike, but the older ones are a different story. I remember my mom dressing my sister and I alike and we are only a year apart. I really didn't like it (although my sister didn't mind), and was so glad when she finally stopped. Sometimes my dd (6 yrs old), wants me wear the same color as her, and sometimes I do. I know that soon enough she'll want to be her own person. I just hope these children are eventually able to have their own identity one day.
Liek they would at a job? As a nurse, or a business person? All these type of college degree required jobs have dress codes and or uniforms as well.
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I am a Bible reading Catholic
Okay, well, "fundie" is not a denomination. It is a group of people that identify with certain beliefs/values. And seeing as how you're so outspoken on here with your beliefs/values, it is easy for most of us to see that your values/beliefs are VERY "fundie" in nature. Therefore, I just do not get that you think you are not a fundie.
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I am not going to into a mommy wars debate, but I believe women should be empowered to be able to support themselves even if they end up staying at home with their children. If they do, most women only have a few children, and we're talking about a few years in her life between the birth of the first child and the last child going into Kindergarten.

I just don't understand the lack of regard for education. I have seen this in a homeschooling BIL, it just boggles my mind, but, as noted earlier, this may well be cultural.

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Debra, I don't think anyone here lacks regard for education. I think we disagree on the best way to get one Institutional school is a fairly new idea. Kind of like formula feeding

And the whole "only a few years between brith and kindergarten is silly". There are lots of homeschooling mamas and even mamas who send there children to tradtiontanl school who choose not to work and instead are involved in their childs calssroom, etc...
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AngelBee..He is everyone's God, whether they choose to respect and love him or not.
No, he is not. That is a very rude and arrogant thing to say. You just disvalued everyone's religion on here that is not Christian.

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AngelBee, I understand you ID as a certain sort of Catholic, so why are you so invested in this thread about a strict fundie family?

And why do you describe yourself as a modest dresser when you define that as a "state of mind" and not a state of dress?

Just something to think about...
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but will they be able to pass the SAT with a decent score?
Something tells me these kids don't get to read a lot of science fiction.
WHO CARES??????????

I don't ever want my child to feel like they are their test scores.

And some people don't like science fiction. So what???????

There are lots of homes where children are never exposed to a bible. That makes some people concerned as well....
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But this is making one route in life more valuable than another, it is elitist….....That is not right or fair. A scientist or doctor is not very good unless they have people to back them up, construction workers to make the roads and building, the factory workers that make the tools and drugs, the janitors/house keepers to keep things clean and sanitary, the mechanic that fix their because they don’t have the time or skill. et.

As good a chef my dh is, I value the dish washer and the waitress because with out them he would be nothing.
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And why do you describe yourself as a modest dresser when you define that as a "state of mind" and not a state of dress?

Just something to think about...
Kinda what I was thinking. If it's just a state of mind, why do so many people get in a tizzy about those boy shorts you were speaking of?

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Well, my children are going to be the doctors and scientists who appriciate the laundresses and dishwashers.

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REally Debra? You're not going to let them choose for themselves?
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The point is, Jinger isn't going to get to think these issues through and *choose* to stay home or work, she will be *expected* to stay home and bear children. Not allowing choice disrespects that which you (those of you who don't seem to value college education and women empowered to work outside the home) do as stay home mothers. If *everyone* *must* be a SAHM breeder to be a g-dly woman how valuable is what you do?

Angelbee, Jinger couldn't have had your childhood of 30 hour/week dance lessons because 1) She doesn't have *time* after washing Jimbob's and his offspring's socks, 2) She must wear frumpy skirts and you can't dance in a frumpy skirt. The thing *you* value and have *chosen* for *yourself* is a door closed to Jinger.

I don't know if Jinger would be able to follow the ebbs and flows of this thread because she is limited to her parent's opinions.

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eVEN NURSING FOR 5 MO IS AROUND 75 MONTHS TOTAL AND THAT ALONE IS CRAZY!
I've nursed 84 months with only 2 kids....
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Now for something totally different........

Did it crack ANYONE else up when the big bearded helper man, upon meeting the designer from New York said "I firmly believe that all men are afraid of women....and this one really scares me!" And then for the rest of the show you saw her telling him 5 million things he needed to do.
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Okay, well, "fundie" is not a denomination. It is a group of people that identify with certain beliefs/values. And seeing as how you're so outspoken on here with your beliefs/values, it is easy for most of us to see that your values/beliefs are VERY "fundie" in nature. Therefore, I just do not get that you think you are not a fundie.
All Christians are called to be outspoken about there faith.

That does not make me a fundie.

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"REally Debra? You're not going to let them choose for themselves?"

YES, they choose for themselves.

Before you become so arrogant and self-righteous, I have several *grown* children who are presently in school. I have a daughter who is getting ready to take her boards, another who is a Secondary Ed. major, another who wants to go into Biomedical research (in the fall,) a son who is considering some form of Engineering but is applying to West Point and Annapolis. I have a daughter who may well be Valedictorian who is interested in Physics.

Their fields are considerably varied and the choice has been theirs.

In fact, my one daughter joined the Marines right after 9/11, and her education has been delayed and another didn't go to school right after high school. She chose to work for awhile and started school part time a couple of years out of high school and eventually started going to school full time opting to work part time.

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AngelBee, I understand you ID as a certain sort of Catholic, so why are you so invested in this thread about a strict fundie family?

And why do you describe yourself as a modest dresser when you define that as a "state of mind" and not a state of dress?

Just something to think about...
It is both a state of mind and a state of dress.

I am not extreme. I do not believe wearing a swimsuit at the beach is immodest.

However, at a grocery store it would be immodest. (for me)

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I nursed for about 12 years alltogether.

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Kinda what I was thinking. If it's just a state of mind, why do so many people get in a tizzy about those boy shorts you were speaking of?
It is both.

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All Christians are called to be outspoken about there faith.

That does not make me a fundie.
You are correct that being outspoken does not make you a fundie. I am very outspoken about many things, including my faith, and I am definitely NOT a fundie. It is the things that one is outspoken about that defines who they are. The things that you are outspoken about are very fundie in nature.
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REally Debra? You're not going to let them choose for themselves?

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[QUOTE=DebraBakerBefore you become so arrogant and self-righteous,
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Debra m, this whole thread stinks of arragoance and self-righteousness about how the Duggars are raising their children "wrong"

pretty ironic...
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What are they doing wrong?

First, they hit their children.

Second, they are Patriarchal, they are forcing their daughters to be servile to their sons.

Third, they push the day-to-day parenting of their children onto the older children. This is harmful to the little ones who are not getting their parent's attention and harmful to the older children who are enduring the burdeon of parenting someone else's children.

Fourth, they are Gothardites, they are under a lot of legalistic teachings. This emcompases an entire thread of its own.

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Just out of curiosity...all of you who think that raising kids in a patriarchal oppressive household and teaching girls nothing but the skills that will help them succeed as mothers is a normal and acceptable lifestyle...are you the same people who think that military invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan are to help free the women????
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you are kidding right? Christian means (aside from believing and accepting Christ as one's personal saviour) to love thy neighbor, NOT accept all behavior from all people.

I would say that American Christians are some of the most liberal out there (unfortunately), so I'm not sure what the American reference is about. Most Christians in the rest of the world are pretty conservative.

Maybe i just have A chip on my shoulder. I get notes on my car all the time b/c of my political bumper stickers proclaiming I'm a baby killer b/c I'm liberal. Like thats the only issue that exists. (I guess they didn't see the 3 carseats ) I just don't see the christ likeness with war and lying and scandal that surrounds this conservative admin. Is it just b/c he says "GOD BLESS AMERICA" that all the Christians love him. It couldn't be his service to those of smaller means and those Christ would surround himself with. Or the protection of God's creations.
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Numomof99, (sorry, editing)

I think you have made your personal opinion of me quite clear.

Perhaps, you should stop the redundancy now and get back to the subject of the thread.

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Numomof99, (sorry, editing)

I think you have made your personal opinion of me quite clear.

Perhaps, you should stop the redundancy now and get back to the subject of the thread.

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OH, you edited!!! I was totally confused for a minute there!!
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