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Yes, but we're talking about the kids, not the parents. Did the kids choose it?

Did your kids choose to be born? What about cloth diapered? Do you let your kids make every decision for themselves? REally? What if they want to watch TV all day? What if they want to do cocaine? Is all that okay with you????
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I've tried...either you get it or you don't. Maybe someone with a phd from an instiitution can expain the word irony....
But I thought college wasn't important?

I don't get it because there's nothing to get. There's either irony or there's not and I'm not seeing it at all. I assumed that this board was a place I could come to where people respected their WHOLE families. Where people did not defend people that hit babies. Where people valued the fact that women were becoming unoppressed. Obviously I was very wrong.

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I'm not talking about the parents. I could care less than a flying rat about what they do. I'm talking about the CHILDREN. THE CHILDREN. They did NOT choose to live like this. They were TRAINED to live like this from a very very very early age.
we. are. all. "training". our. kids. Even those who follow gentle discipline, etc...we all decide things for our kids every day. I betyour kids will grow up knowing that breastfeeding is best. Should you expose them to bottles of formula, so they can "make their own choice"????
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I've tried...either you get it or you don't. Maybe someone with a phd from an instiitution can expain the word irony....
What is an "instiitution?" Is that where I go to learn how to hit children so they will be good children? Quack.
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And do your children have any choices against your personal world views? All our children have this. My kids are taught things like homosexual marriage should be. All our children are indoctrinated by parents, just like we were. But as adults we made our own decisions to stay with or move against our parents teachings.
I'm teaching my daughter to love and accept everyone, not just a select few. I am trying my hardest to not make my daughter believe what I believe just because I believe it. I want her to choose for herself. That's the difference.

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we. are. all. "training". our. kids. Even those who follow gentle discipline, etc...we all decide things for our kids every day. I betyour kids will grow up knowing that breastfeeding is best. Should you expose them to bottles of formula, so they can "make their own choice"????

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I've tried...either you get it or you don't. Maybe someone with a phd from an instiitution can expain the word irony....


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But I thought college wasn't important?

I don't get it because there's nothing to get. There's either irony or there's not and I'm not seeing it at all. I assumed that this board was a place I could come to where people respected their WHOLE families. Where people did not defend people that hit babies. Where people valued the fact that women were becoming unoppressed. Obviously I was very wrong.
I guess you don't understand sarcasm either?
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I'm not talking about the parents. I could care less than a flying rat about what they do. I'm talking about the CHILDREN. THE CHILDREN. They did NOT choose to live like this. They were TRAINED to live like this from a very very very early age.

Like your children were TRAINEd to live like you are raising them. Your children didn't choose to be raised the way you are raising them.
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Did your kids choose to be born? What about cloth diapered? Do you let your kids make every decision for themselves? REally? What if they want to watch TV all day? What if they want to do cocaine? Is all that okay with you????
You know, at some level, you have to allow your kids some decision-making ability or else they will flail at being adults. When do you think the Duggar kids get to make a decision about their lifestyle? 14? 15? 16? Ever?

Furthermore, I would educate them about the factors involved in making a "good choice". How much education about her choices is that oldest Duggar girl getting? I mean, in between all the laundry I can't imagine there's a whole lot of time for learnin'.

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Let me state that I do not agree with the duggars (assumed) parenting practices. I do not believe it is biblical to spank.

However, why is it that conservatives (Christian or otherwise) are expected to accept everyone, yet Liberals do not accept conservatives?????

It is pretty ironic and irritating, that the whole liberal view, is that anything goes, pot smoking, homosexual relationships, sex before marriage, you name it, it;s okay Except for Christian conservative choices

Mamas are here on MDC all the time talking about how they are going against the mainstream, why is that not okay for the duggars????? There are people who consider nursing past a year child abuse and sexual. Why is it not okay for them to make judgements about your lifestyle, yet you can make judgements about theirs?
I am a christian and a liberal but I do have some conservative views as well. With most conservatives everything is so black and white...You're either with us or against us. I am from NY lived in OR and now live in KY I have seen them all and I have never felt so isolated from people as the "conservatives" around here make me feel. How Christian to leave notes on peoples cars calling them baby killers b/c I'm liberal. WTF? WHo are they to judge?

Disclaimer: I know that not all conservatives are like this. But comon?! Look at this country and tell me there is not some strange Christian Hypnosis going on in politics?:
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Like your children were TRAINEd to live like you are raising them. Your children didn't choose to be raised the way you are raising them.

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we. are. all. "training". our. kids. Even those who follow gentle discipline, etc...we all decide things for our kids every day. I betyour kids will grow up knowing that breastfeeding is best. Should you expose them to bottles of formula, so they can "make their own choice"????
I'm not training my child at all. I am guiding her. I don't train her at all.
My daughter knows breastfeeding is NORMAL, not best. She is exposed to formula bottles on a daily basis because I run a daycare.

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Furthermore, I would educate them about the factors involved in making a "good choice". How much education about her choices is that oldest Duggar girl getting? I mean, in between all the laundry I can't imagine there's a whole lot of time for learnin'.
We have no clue as none of us know them personally.

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I guess you don't understand sarcasm either?
Just cause I got it doesn't mean I found it amusing.

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I'm teaching my daughter to love and accept everyone, not just a select few. I am trying my hardest to not make my daughter believe what I believe just because I believe it. I want her to choose for herself. That's the difference.

So you want your dd to choose how you believe.......Sounds like what the Duggers want.

Also, are you teaching love and acceptance when you belittle and judge this family?
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How Christian to leave notes on peoples cars calling them baby killers . :
That is not acting as Christ taught us.
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I'm not training my child at all. I am guiding her. I don't train her at all.
My daughter knows breastfeeding is NORMAL, not best. She is exposed to formula bottles on a daily basis because I run a daycare.
Training....guiding.....leading....assisting

All the same to me.

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Like your children were TRAINEd to live like you are raising them. Your children didn't choose to be raised the way you are raising them.
My daughter has never been trained to do anything. I follow her leads on everything. So, yes, she is choosing to be raised the way she is.

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Helping out is vastly different than the "buddy system" as described. Where you are responsible for feeding, dressing, changing, everything for the younger child. And are the boys learning these supposedly invaluable skills equally?

From what I have see from the Duggar Family is YES, the boys in the family are learning the same things and doing the same chores.

OK another question, what ever happened to doing things for THE GOOD OF THE FAMILY!
Has society really strayed so far that kids who do things around the house to help pitch in to make life a little easier for everybody are repressed and made slaves in thier own household.

You cant log into MDC without hearing a mama wishing she had someeone to help her in her responsibility as a mom, and here we have a family that does just so and yet they are "slaves"????????????
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So you want your dd to choose how you believe.......Sounds like what the Duggers want.

Also, are you teaching love and acceptance when you belittle and judge this family?
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What do you think, all MDC mamas sit at the mall, saying "Avert your eyes, little Jephehezieaheah, that mama has a bottle of FORMULA! And she has a sposie too! Heathen! Oh wait... that's my sister in law."

Who's betting these kids don't ever leave fortress too often to even see things that the family disagrees with?
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From what I have see from the Duggar Family is YES, the boys in the family are learning the same things and doing the same chores.

OK another question, what ever happened to doing things for THE GOOD OF THE FAMILY!
Has society really strayed so far that kids who do things around the house to help pitch in to make life a little easier for everybody are repressed and made slaves in thier own household.

You cant log into MDC without hearing a mama wishing she had someeone to help her in her responsibility as a mom, and here we have a family that does just so and yet they are "slaves"????????????

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What do you think, all MDC mamas sit at the mall, saying "Avert your eyes, little Jephehezieaheah, that mama has a bottle of FORMULA! And she has a sposie too! Heathen! Oh wait... that's my sister in law."
OK this made me .

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My daughter has never been trained to do anything. I follow her leads on everything. So, yes, she is choosing to be raised the way she is.
She leads according to what she has become familiar with.

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So you want your dd to choose how you believe.......Sounds like what the Duggers want.

Also, are you teaching love and acceptance when you belittle and judge this family?
Where did I say I wanted my daughter to choose what I believe? I want her to choose what SHE wants to choose.

I teach love and accpetance for everyone. However, I do not accept child abuse. I love and accept the poor children in that family, but I do not accept what the parents are doing because it's wrong.

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Has society really strayed so far that kids who do things around the house to help pitch in to make life a little easier for everybody are repressed and made slaves in thier own household.

You cant log into MDC without hearing a mama wishing she had someeone to help her in her responsibility as a mom, and here we have a family that does just so and yet they are "slaves"????????????
Helping pitch in is vastly, vastly different than a daily "chore chart." Not a lot of freedom and choice to help, but a mandated rule, presumably set by daddy. But remember kids, there are always daddy days!
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My daughter has never been trained to do anything. I follow her leads on everything. So, yes, she is choosing to be raised the way she is.
TRA'INING, ppr. Drawing; alluring; educating; teaching and forming by practice
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So you are training her!
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My daughter has never been trained to do anything. I follow her leads on everything. So, yes, she is choosing to be raised the way she is.
Really? If she chose formula at 3 months,,,you would allow it? what if she chose disposable diapers? What if she chose to watch pornaography at 3 years old?

edited to take out sarcastic questions...the ones theat are left, I am not being sarcastic, I really want to know if thats okay.
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