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I deeply, deeply enjoy this show. And I love Chef Ramsey.

And what the HECK on Melissa's chin last night? A soul patch??

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I wondered the same thing too!!!! Maybe that's why she went to the guys team. I totally think she f'd up on purpose, but it was great that Jen got it together and held the line.
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I love the show too. Melissa was on a total trip last night and I wondered about her chin too! I honestly don't think any of the girls have what it takes to win. I'm not too sure about the guys I can say that Rock's little interview the other night where he refered to himself in the third person was annoying!

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Melissa was so annoying. When she said she needed four minutes and then Chef yelled at her and she asked the other girls if they could do it sooner? And the whole time they are decorating and she is asking if they need her help : . Did you catch the look on the guys face when Chef said she was going to their side? Rock did not look happy. I'm suprised they are this far along and no one or two people has really stood out as having potential. Jenn is too nice, to have a chance she needs to learn to delegate, yell, and not cry every time she needs to make a tough decision. Rock is getting better although he needs to get over himself. I was really hoping for Julia to step it up after the breakfast challenge but she has started to fade a little and doesn't stand out as much. Looks like next week she really loses it.
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Melissa is nuts, Jenn irritates me and Bonnie is a hot mess. I really like Julia and would love to see her do well after the others' snide comments about her being a cook at "Waffle House." Whatever, she does her work well, doesn't b*tch, and keeps her head down. I so hope she doesn't fall apart next week - I'd love to see her have the last laugh.

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I just came here looking for a thread on our latest guilty pleasure. :

It's so awful, I have to watch! Is it just me, or do these 'chefs' have less cooking skill than even a regular person like me who cooks dinner every night? I am really surprised that they seem to have little idea of cooking basics or time management. Of course I know it's 'reality' tv so they have to make it crazy every time, but still. The beef wellington they made (a couple weeks in a row?) was so digusting looking

The funniest part for me was when Melissa was urging her teammates not to present their food to the bride and groom to be- and then that dry plain duck breast was their entree!

And how Chef Ramsey is so rude to the customers!

I really don't know who should win- none of them seem to have much talent. Rock seems the calmest and most sure of himself, that's about all I can say.
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I deeply, deeply enjoy this show. And I love Chef Ramsey.

And what the HECK on Melissa's chin last night? A soul patch??
I thought the same thing!!
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Ramsay releases my stress for me. I don't have to rant and rage, I can just watch him.

He and his wife have four kids. The twins were preemies so he helps raise money for preemie research funding.

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Ramsay releases my stress for me. I don't have to rant and rage, I can just watch him.
That's it!! I think you nailed part of the appeal for me!!

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I deeply, deeply enjoy this show. And I love Chef Ramsey.

And what the HECK on Melissa's chin last night? A soul patch??
word for word what my dh said! "why does she have a soul patch?"
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Goodbye Melissa!! Finally!

I like either Rock or Jen (ie, 'Garbage Picker") to win the whole thing. Julia is my sentimental favourite though.

I love Chef Ramsay. Sometimes I wish I could yell at incompetent nincompoops like that too, lol.

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julia is my sentimental favorite, but it looks like Jen is the current front runner.
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I just want to push Melissa's face in. She is so annoying she inspires me to violence.:

Gordon Ramsey is HOT when he's in street clothes. I have a total crush on him.

Too bad Jen took something from the trash; she'd have my rock-solid vote if she didn't.

Speaking of Rock, I think the way he reacted was ridiculous last night, but I also think sending him to pick up the trash was ridiculous and cruel. I don't think he is as good as he thinks he is, though.

Summary: GO JULIA!!! I want her to win because A) she's humble, B) she is willing to learn, and C) she tries really, really hard.

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I LOVED that Jenn whipped out her real background on Rock last night! They were all thinking she wasn't a contender...no wonder she rocked the head of the line!

I really hope Julia wins, too!! Loved that she was complimented for her risotto and that she did really well. I hope that she doesn't break under the pressure.

I was totally on the edge of my seat when Chef Ramsay called Josh and Brad up!!! Holy crab cakes!

I couldn't believe Rock after losing-you have to keep your cool! I did feel bad for him when he had to go to the photo shoot and get the trash. Talk about pouring gourmet salt in an open wound.

So glad Melissa is gone! I think Jen and Rock will be the ones to beat in this.
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my husband thought rock behaved like a big baby. personally, i would have had no trouble going through the trash and getting the recycling. i do it in my neighborhood all the time. it's not that big of a deal--and yes it can be disgusting, but i'm washable.

my husband said that he needed to learn some sportsmanship. it's one thing to think highly of yourself, and one can do that in a way that is respectful and appropriate, but rock comes off as very egotistical and 'too good' for the show and everything else.

i haven't seen him do anything spectacular, he's just done less terrible than the other guys.
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Ramsay releases my stress for me. I don't have to rant and rage, I can just watch him.

He and his wife have four kids. The twins were preemies so he helps raise money for preemie research funding.
YOu summed it up so nicely! I think that's why I watch this show- the vicarious tantrums.

I bet his whole persona is made up for tv and he's really a nice guy.

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Speaking of Rock, I think the way he reacted was ridiculous last night, but I also think sending him to pick up the trash was ridiculous and cruel. I don't think he is as good as he thinks he is, though.

Summary: GO JULIA!!! I want her to win because A) she's humble, B) she is willing to learn, and C) she tries really, really hard.
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So glad Melissa is gone. Her whiny voice was like nails on a blackboard!
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it seems to me that even on the show, he's a very nice guy.

he's just a demanding teacher. and often, that's the best kind. he knows what he wants and he demands it of them. but unlike many teaching scenarios where it's considered "wrong or bad" to simply yell at someone for not meeting your standard, apparently, in kitchens--it's to be expected. it is a life/death situation afterall. it's not uncommon for teacher-doctors and teacher-nurses to yell at their student-doctors/student-nurses either.

it's just not on TV. but i've seen it on numerous occassions. and i think sometimes it's absolutely the right thing. it demonstrates to the student that this si a life/death situation and that they can't make these kinds of mistakes.
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it seems to me that even on the show, he's a very nice guy.

he's just a demanding teacher. and often, that's the best kind. he knows what he wants and he demands it of them. but unlike many teaching scenarios where it's considered "wrong or bad" to simply yell at someone for not meeting your standard, apparently, in kitchens--it's to be expected. it is a life/death situation afterall. it's not uncommon for teacher-doctors and teacher-nurses to yell at their student-doctors/student-nurses either.

it's just not on TV. but i've seen it on numerous occassions. and i think sometimes it's absolutely the right thing. it demonstrates to the student that this si a life/death situation and that they can't make these kinds of mistakes.

Nice? I don't think so. Nice people don't call others a fat, stupid cow and some of the other insults he hurls routinely. I think he makes good television, but on the show, in the kitchen, he is not nice. Yes, demanding is one thing, but demeaning is quite another!

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my husband said that he needed to learn some sportsmanship. it's one thing to think highly of yourself, and one can do that in a way that is respectful and appropriate, but rock comes off as very egotistical and 'too good' for the show and everything else.
I think this is why he had Rock come to the photo shoot & get the garbage.

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Nice? I don't think so. Nice people don't call others a fat, stupid cow and some of the other insults he hurls routinely. I think he makes good television, but on the show, in the kitchen, he is not nice. Yes, demanding is one thing, but demeaning is quite another!
On his other shows, the non-american-need controversy for good ratings-shows, he is not like this at all. The side he shows away from HK, when he's with the team who won the challenge, is the side he shows on the other BBC shows.
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this is true about the other BBC shows. he seems to be more like that then he is while in HK.

also, i don't see certain things as demeaning--eg, calling someone a fat, stupid cow--but that's a cultural thing mostly. it mostly means slow within it's cultural context, it might also mean useless--but it's specific to the activity in question. in the american brain, it comes off as far more demeaning.

and, i've heard worse from teacher-doctors to student-doctors, lemme tell you. it's just not on TV. and those docs are nice folks, generally speaking.
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I'd LOVE to see her win!
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I'd LOVE to see her win!
We would love to see her win too! I love her!!

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I think it's going to come down to Jen and Rock. Though I, too, would LOVE to see Julia win. She won't, though. Bah, at least whasserface is gone. Her accent was really starting to bug me.
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also, i don't see certain things as demeaning--eg, calling someone a fat, stupid cow--but that's a cultural thing mostly. it mostly means slow within it's cultural context, it might also mean useless--but it's specific to the activity in question. in the american brain, it comes off as far more demeaning.
I find this ridiculous. Calling people names and insulting them isn't demeaning, especially in the manner in which he does it? Although I do at times have serious issues with American culture, I am deeply grateful that I am not a part of a culture which finds this acceptable. I am a teacher, and, referencing your previous post, and citing pretty much every single piece of research done on best teaching practices in the the last CENTURY, there is ZERO evidence that screaming at someone is a great way to teach them anything.

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suzannah:

it is me, or is your post a little demeaning and self important? i mean, technically, you're 'yelling' at me when using CAPS.

but, you're 'yelling' not out of anger (i would hope) but rather to bring attention to your point since you seem to think/feel that my perspective of the usefulness of yelling as a teaching tool--in the right contexts--is dangerous or harmful.

so in this way, yelling needn't be about anger or trying to demean anyone, but instead be a method of drawing stark and quick attention to something that is potentially harmful, to demonstrate how potentially harmful it is, and the level of care necessary to prevent harm.

granted, speaking low, cold, and quietly is equally effective--and the same basic underlying technique (using volume and tonal quality to bring attention to something dangerous).

so, apparently it is useful tool for trying to gain someone's attention when you disagree with them and find their behavior or opinion DANGEROUS!

there's a big difference between yelling at someone for missing a math problem and yelling at someone who could have harmed, maimed, or killed someone due to their inattention (negligence).

it might also be noted that educational study and theory is narrow in it's study. most educational theory is centered around teaching subjects that are not life/death situations and/or teaching subjects in the classroom setting where there are not life/death situations present. There is very little study about the 'practicum' process--in which there is real-life, on the job training and what that training entails and which tools are most effective in preventing harm to another.

it is common, in these fields where life/harm/death situations are prevalent, for students to be starkly and quickly admonished for doing something that would harm another, for the purpose of increasing their awareness--and taking that theory from the classroom and using it in a practical way.

and it should also be noted that teachers who teach in a life/harm/death practicum situation know that yelling is only one of many techniques, that different students need to be treated differently, and that yelling should only be used as a means of drawing attention--not demeaning or acting in anger--toward the student.

it is true that demeaning a person is problematic. it is not true that yelling is per se demeaning.
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it is true that demeaning a person is problematic. it is not true that yelling is per se demeaning.
My all caps were meant for emphasis, not as yelling. And I agree with your quote above; I am not saying that raising a voice is demeaning. I thought I pointed out that what he was saying was the issue, not how he was saying it.

Your points on educational theory are correct, well-stated and relevant, but no where in your post does it say that when immediately correcting a student in a life and death situation you should call them names and insult them as a person. And mostly, for the purposes of discussing Hell's Kitchen, I don't think that getting food out to customers could be correctly termed "life and death."

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Controversy in a HK thread? Who'da thunk it.

-I think the thing on Melissa's chin might have been where she removed a piercing??

-Yes, GR is tough on the folks in HK. Yep, he's certainly demeaning too. I don't think, "dumb blond" is getting lost in translation....

The key is, HK contestants asked for this. They've seen the previous seasons, they knew what they were getting into and they can quit at anytime. So, what's the big deal? It gets ratings.

-I find GR h-o-t, hot! I had a dream where I had made a bad mistake in the kitchen...it was...um....demeaning for sure.
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Julia is looking better and better!

Did any of the guys actually hit Ramsay during their paintball session? My dh thinks they have a couple of rewards in waiting, depending who wins. He said tonight before the winner was announced that the girls would get to go to a spa or shopping or something with Ramsay, and the guys would play paintball. Lol, smart guy eh?

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How is mushy risotto a life or death situation?

And, on a side note, I will never be able to hear/see/speak the word "risotto" ever again without hearing Chef Ramsey's voice.

I loved how everyone kept ordering Julia's strip steak tonight!
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Julia is looking better and better!

Did any of the guys actually hit Ramsay during their paintball session? My dh thinks they have a couple of rewards in waiting, depending who wins. He said tonight before the winner was announced that the girls would get to go to a spa or shopping or something with Ramsay, and the guys would play paintball. Lol, smart guy eh?
We said the same thing last night!!

Like, Ramsay doesn't want to be seen with 3 guys on a yacht, eating caviar!

And, I just can't see Bonnie shooting paintballs....
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