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#31 of 46 Old 08-24-2009, 08:01 AM
 
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it could be that below for the conditions de droit au séjour

Droit de séjour d'une durée supérieure à trois mois

Le droit de séjour pour une période supérieure à trois mois reste soumis à certaines conditions:

* soit exercer une activité économique en qualité de travailleur salarié ou non salarié;
* soit disposer de ressources suffisantes et d'une assurance maladie afin de ne pas devenir une charge pour l'assistance sociale de l'État membre d'accueil pendant son séjour. À ce propos, les États membres ne pourront pas fixer le montant des ressources qu'ils considèrent comme suffisantes, mais ils doivent tenir compte de la situation personnelle de la personne concernée ;
* soit suivre une formation en tant qu' étudiant et disposer de ressources suffisantes et d'une assurance maladie afin de ne pas devenir une charge pour l'assistance sociale de l'État membre d'accueil pendant son séjour;
* soit être membre de la famille d'un citoyen de l'Union qui entre dans une des catégories susdites.

La carte de séjour pour les citoyens de l'Union est supprimée. Toutefois, les États membres pourront demander au citoyen de se faire enregistrer auprès des autorités compétentes dans un délai qui ne sera pas inférieur à trois mois à compter de son arrivée. L'attestation d'enregistrement sera immédiatement délivrée sur présentation:

* d'une carte d'identité ou d'un passeport en cours de validité;
* d'une preuve que les conditions ci-dessus sont remplies (voir à l'article 8 de la directive les preuves exigibles pour chaque catégorie de citoyen). Les citoyens de l'Union qui suivent une formation; doivent montrer, dans une déclaration ou tout autre moyen de leur choix, qu'ils disposent de ressources suffisantes pour eux-mêmes et pour les membres de leurs familles afin d'éviter de devenir une charge pour le système d'assistance sociale de l'Etat membre d'accueil suffiront . Cela suffira à prouver qu'ils répondent à la condition de ressources.

Les membres de la famille d'un citoyen de l'Union qui n'ont pas la nationalité d'un État membre doivent demander une "carte de séjour de membre de la famille d'un citoyen de l'Union", ayant une validité de cinq ans au moins, à dater de sa délivrance.
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help might not be immediate but delayed by 3 months

Tout citoyen de l'Union bénéficiaire du droit de séjour ou du droit de séjour permanent, ainsi que les membres de sa famille, bénéficie de l'égalité de traitement par rapport aux citoyens nationaux dans les domaines d'application du traité. Toutefois, l'État membre d'accueil n'est pas obligé d'accorder le droit à une prestation d'assistance sociale pendant les trois premiers mois de séjour aux personnes autres que les travailleurs salariés ou non salariés et les membres de leur famille.
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Butting in to say bring every single piece of paper that relates to your life with you... including old utility bills from your previous addresses! To rent an appartment, to get your child into creche, to get a Carte Vitale you will be required to submit a dossier containing a hundred pieces of paper to varius authorities.

Regarding the EHIC, even if you are a BRitish citizen you may not qualify for it if you have not been resident in the UK recently. We moved from NZ to Scotland then on to France, and were told we were not eligible for EHIC. So we had to take out private health insurance until we were covered by French state healthcare.

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I'm British and we've thought of france once or twice. I think with EU law they have to treat you like a normal french person don't they? And you'd get the money that a French person would get? Just like if they move to England they would get our system.

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Allocation for parental presence (39-47€/day + 101€/month)
And how is it for parents that don't vax, do the docs report you and hassle you?
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Britishmama, I think that the allocation you describe is in lieu of salary in case you stop working because your child has a long term illness or or is disabled according to a specific percentage scale or is in a serious accident etc ....
you need quite a lot of paperwork both from your employer and the child's doctor + it's only up to 300 days in a span of 3 years + it's also contrôled by another doctor paid by social services & they have the right to stop paying after a review of the situation by that doctor
(as read in page 15 of the booklet "vos prestations 2009")

am not so sure about the bit "they have to treat you like a French person if you are a EU citizen..." => it does say in the official texts that the state doesn't have to give someone any subsidy for the first 3 months of their stay in France if they don't have work or are not a dependant (spouse ...) of someone who works here ...

+ you need a physical address over here (or a "certificat d'hebergement" if someone is putting you up for free) which might be difficult to get if you cannot show a "contrat de travail" to a prospective landlord ... I know because there are a lot of Romanian "gypsis" where I live and when they live out of a trailer they cannot even get the basic "allocations familiales" and beg on the streets or try to sell a "support the homeless magazine" ... they are EU citizen now ... but that doesn't mean that they fulfill all the requirements for receiving money from the Caisse d' Allocations Familiales ...

so it's a bit of a vicious circle => if you don't have an address you can't get money but if you can't get regular income/money, you can't really rent in the private sector (unless it's furnished accomodation, which has a different set of rules ....)

I suppose it's a way to prevent all of the poorest or the poorest europeans to settle down in the state that offers the most benefits ?????
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IDK in the UK they tell people if they move anywhere in the EU they will get the same benefits as someone from that country. Maybe there is a time of overlap, I'm not sure.

In the UK they have child benefit and disability payments (stuff like ASD is covered). I know in the USA they have nothing like it (that I have seen so far)

We've lived a bit all over the place, I did live in Paris once but this was years ago.

How is for parents that don't vax? or homeschool?

Is it more family oriented?

We're in the USA right now and we had to give up all of our goverment money in the UK and now paying for insurance for the kids (they won't give me insurance ) I know we can afford it but I was using that money before to save for the kids.

Is the child benefits really more in France, or is it a myth?

We're limited because of DD's and mine conditions, we aren't allowed to get a visa for Oz or canada so we're going to have to head back to the EU.

Is renting that hard if you have savings and your own company? My DH has his own company. I know in Belgium and Holland it was easy to rent

Sorry bout all the questions
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Is the child benefits really more in France, or is it a myth?

If you have more than one child you receive 123 euros per month for 2 kids, 282 euros per month for 3 kids, 441 euros per months for 4 kids etc ...
this is the basic Allocation Familiales

the AF can be cumulated with other allowances that either depend on your income (for exemple, l'allocation de base from birth to 3 years of age that is 177 euros per month but it depends on your income, for a one income family with one child, no more than 32 800 euros per year, with 2 kids, no more than 39 376 per year, with 3 kids, 47 251 euros per year, for a dual income family, with one child, no more than 43 363 euros per year, with 2 kids, no more than 49 926 euros per year etc ....)

or depend on your status = you stopped working after the second child to take care of your children (like the complement de libre choix d'activité) and can also then receive 374 euros per month until the youngest child is 3, but then you need to have worked 8 trimesters of equivalent within a certain time frame before you stop working to take care of your children ....

renting with savings/your own company
I suppose it will be easier to find a rental if you have your own company and sizeable savings ... BUT most private landlord will weed out applicants who don't appear to have a permanent salaried position ....

local expat communities often have expatriates trying to rent out accomodation and who might be less frightened to rent to a foreigner & someone from the same country ...

+ furnished appartements have different sets of rules and might be marginally easier to find -although very few in numbers- as a foreigner without a "contrat de travail" to produce ...

vaccinations
strictly speaking very few vaccinations are compulsory in France; just 3 I believe dyphtérie, tetanos and polio (the BCG is no longer compulsory for entering daycare and school, that is recent, just a year or two old ...)...I'm not sure what's the position for schools accepting or not non vaccinated children ....
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Are they compulsory as is everyone needs them or just for school? We're homeschooling.

I don't think there could be an issue about not having a contract since our business is pretty profitable. I'd hope they would see we could pay the rent. Or maybe just pay upfront? We've done that before.

DH lived in the south of france once and said he had no problems. I'd not rent furnished, we have our own stuff

I guess I need to look at areas and see if anything tickles my fancy. Any suggetions on rental sites?
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where's my reply to you ? ... spent about 20 min typing this afternoon and cannot see it .... must have pressed the wrong key again at the end ....

can't stay now but will come back to reply asap
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second post that gets erased, it's not my day !!!
the little one just got up, must go now ....
will try posting again when the children are asleep ...
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compulsory only for taking part in anything deemed "en collectivité" = schools, day care, baby swim club, day camp during holidays etc ....

as homeschool parents you should probably be all right
it's just that if you go to a mainsteam doctor they might lecture you at every visit thinking you'll change your mind ... but there ARE a few doctors rather keen on homeopathy, and going to one of those, you should have your life choices respected a little more ...

for rental site check up seloger.com
you can enter your preferences to narrow down choice & most adds come with photos which will give you an idea of what's on offer in real time in your chosen area ....
must dash
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a few docs also accept to vax your "carnet de sante" (official health records) instead of your kid...this way you can still have access to places where they check compulsory vax.
but if you homeschool i think you'll have less of a hassle.
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To your questions
1)vaccinations seem to be compulsory for all children in France

2) home schooling in France is restrictive and will become even more controlled next year, but there a many home schooling families in France, so you can get connected easily.
You will be expected to home visits and regular testing
There is also a big correspondence school, in French, which makes things easier

3) alternative/homeopathy practioners, there are also anthroposophic doctors in france, that practice homeopathy. You could possibly find someone at www.apma.org look at liens or contact

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For homeschooling you may wish to look at www.lesenfantsdabord.org it is a french site for homeschooling and unschooling - you may find it of interest. Our homeopath is great although she does prefer that the kids are vaccinated as do many - as mentioned there are some that do mark the carnet de sante but they are few and far between and you must be careful who you are asking. Talking about drs the system isn't as 'free' as many people imagine, for example when going to the dr the Secu pays off 25 euros (I think or maybe it's 21 - I'm not sure) then your insurance will pay off the rest and if you don't have insurance then you have to pay that out of your own pocket, most drs ask for 35 euros and above - especially if you need a specialist - it can be an expensive business so try and find out about getting a good medical insurance programme and always ask how much a rdv is before confirming just so you don't get a shock at the end of the visit!!

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+ when making an appointment with a new doctor, it's a good idea to ask if he or she is "conventionné" or not, which "secteur" too, 1 or 2 which gives an idea whether or not they stick to the official fees/prices recommended by the local social security system or if they are allowed to go for "dépassement d'honoraires" & some of those are caped (secteur 1) and some are at their discretion (secteur 2)
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a few docs also accept to vax your "carnet de sante" (official health records) instead of your kid...this way you can still have access to places where they check compulsory vax.
but if you homeschool i think you'll have less of a hassle.


sorry to revive an old thread, but how do you find these doctors if you are new to France.  For example, if you network (in person) at a LLL or other type of group, would this be freely discussed?  How do you go about bringing this delicate subject up?

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